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Thread: I AFK Macro Dance Here Is Why
Hi.
I played a Ranger and really enjoyed that. My wife plays a dancer and I had to fight like heck to convince her to set up a macro to dance. She said, I don't care how fast I level... I just like chatting with people and buying s e x y looking clothes.
So, I set up a macro behind her back on her computer and went through all the flourishes until it was a great routine and played it for her.
Then I said.... ok... you say you like chatting... now you can chat away without having to hit the buttons.
Now... she has about 4 macros set up and she does not 24/7 or afk dance while at school.....
BUT SHE LOVES HER MACROS...
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I enjoyed the comradery so much that I started a dancer.... but, I afk dance....
BECAUSE I WAS ASKED TO>>>
I am currently dancing on LOK on Intrepid server .... could not care about tips... nor experience. But guess what? Im the only dancer on the entire planet dancing in the cantina.
and my macro says "IM AFK ... So ... You Don't have to pay...." and it starts with a shout "Dancer in the Cantina... Come Get Your Mind Wounds Healed."
I had to add that because so many people are used to having No Entertainers there that they do not look anymore.
Again. If people object to my AFK dancing On either Lok or Dathomir (I left there to go train) THEN YOU GO THERE and I will leave ... Happily. The Healing exp is slow and I don't need any more dancing exp.
I am trying to advance to get Novice Carbineer (Im halfway through novice now) so I could use the rest from dancing.
I hope more people start coming to MY cantina so I get more healing exp. Until then. I will cater to the forgotten people on the distant planets... if you don't like my afk macro dancing .. then you come to Lok and I will head off to dathomir.... until then "Dancer IN the Cantina... Come Get Your Mind Wounds Healed......"
As for you using macros to AFK dance on Lok. I will tell you what I tell everyone. The reason there are no entertainers on Lok is two-fold. Not enough entertainers, and not enough tips to make the trip worthwhile. A big reason for both of those problems is people like you who are AFK entertaining.
You are not the solution to the problem. You ARE the problem. People see you, AFK dancing there, essentially a permanent NPC dancer who they don't have to pay. As a result they don't understand why they should have to tip ANY entertainer when anyone can just set up an entertainment macro and go watch TV. Many entertainers cannot even afford a ticket to Lok, and even were we to go, would have to entertain for a good long time to even hope to break even off of tips. Why? Because those people are used to getting their healing for free from you, why should they pay us?
By all means, play how you want to play. Right now SoE isn't cracking down on this. But as you do, understand the damage you are causing, and don't come to the entertainer boards saying things like this and expecting those of us who work hard in this career to accept it as a good thing.
- J
I marco 24/7...
dont care about xp its a mule account...
more often than not the toon is the only entertainer in town...
stopping afk macroing would mean ppl ion that town would have to all get novice entertainer or go elsewhere to heal
if ppl dont like afk macro'ers dont tip them... once they get master they will most likely move on and do something else...
if not great more public service...
Hey... .Thanks for giving me a STAR....
No. I am part of the solution. I am a very social dancer and have actually gone out of my way to provide a service. Just as an afterthought I checked my money... got 2k tips overnight... I am a fat Male twelik (sp) dancer and get FAR FAR FAR less tips than my wife who is a Beautiful Female dancer.
But here, On Lok. I am actually getting tips. And I am telling people that I am AFK and that they Don't need to tip me.
Like I said.. I was ASKED to come to Lok and dance. People are tipping me as a bribe to stay.
As far as money goes... Last night I asked my wife if she needed any money to buy clothes for her character ... She said no, that she had about 30k... I said "wow.. how did you get so much" She said she had spent the last few hours running delivery missions on naboo.
Here is a tip for you>>> You can do delivery missions on naboo from Moenie to Kor Valla for 1k each ... that is 2k per trip... the ticket cost 250credits ... Net profit $1700... round trip $2.4k
Tell me again how you cannot afford the $1660 plane fare to Lok?
Tell you what... you come to Lok and I will gladly pay your transportation cost. But, If you cannt provide services during the night and don't want to AFK let me know... I'll come and bail you out if you can't.
Dancing 24/7 afk in an cantina as only dancer helps only this people, who let us hear, we are lazy, useless and our profession requires no skill.
If there where no afk bots, they would appreciate us much more.
Yes they would whine and mourn, but they had to care about their health. And professional dancers had a chance to be hired for a trip to Lok for example, cause a huntingroup needed healing or all 20 had to take a shuttle to an other planet. Since one month I am masterdancer and had only two /tells to heal someone. Here you see easy how less we are needed, and afk macroing is on off the main reasons for this issue.
If you would have a afk macroing armorsmith in every town, where you could serve yourself free of charge (or cheaper at least), would you pay one credit to a serious working armorsmith?
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Aniella (Gorath) Dancer
I agree that there is a problem with entertainment not being available for adventurers on out of the way places. I also recognize that AFK entertaining helps alleviate this problem. But I would like to present a potential solution to this problem. That being an entertainer bazaar terminal.
The basic premise is that an entertainer could tape their show and then sell it on an entertainer bazaar terminal in a cantina. Anadventurer could then purchase this program to heal themselves.
I think there are a number of questions and discussion points with something like this, off the top of my head, here are some of them:
- Why would an adventurer deal with live entertainers? Well, I would recommend that these be put in out of the way places in a cantina (possibly the back room). Players will have to go a bit further out of their way for entertainment, plus they HAVE to pay for entertainment from an entertainer terminal.
- How would you tape a show? Well there is already proximity logic in the game, as used by crafting stations. I would think that the entertainer would have to be in a similar range, to the entertainer terminal,to tape their show. The viewer would have to sit in a similar proximity for healing.
- How would you place the show on the terminal? Well I would think that it would be a good idea to present shows in lengths of time (1 minute, 5 minute or so on).On the terminal, the show would show a cost to purchase, the length of time, the artist, the song/dance and the would and BF healing percent.
- Financial benefits to the artist? Artists have another way to make money, specifically by providing a service.
- Experience benefits to the artist? I believe that there is already a process to award collectors of resources or creators of components experience if someone else uses their item for crafting. I think it would be good if the recording artist obtains healing experience when someone listens to their recording.
I am sure there are likely a number of problems with this concept. But I thought I would throw it on the table.
annshadow wrote:Here is a tip for you>>> You can do delivery missions on naboo from Moenie to Kor Valla for 1k each ... that is 2k per trip... the ticket cost 250credits ... Net profit $1700... round trip $2.4k
Uhhh....
Last time I checked, Moenia was on Naboo and Kor Vella was on Corellia and a ticket between Naboo and Korellia cost substantially more than 250 cr. But I have not checked those prices in a while so I could be wrong...
Meanwhile, I agree with Pickles. By making your AFK healing bot 100% available on Lok, several things happen. First, the fighters on Lok never have to leave. That means that they never come to Naboo, or Tatooine, or other places like that, never watch the entertainers there, and never tip them. Additionally the missions on Lok make a LOT more money than the missions on for example Corellia. So, by parking your AFKing butt in the middle of the high-profit area, you are seeing to it that the richest hunters on the server never have a reason to leave Lok, and thus making it so they never visit the worlds with poorer missions. Therefore the real dancers, who are there at keyboard the whole time but not 24/7 like your AFK Bot self, are being tipped 100 credits by people making 1000 per mission, instead of 1000 credits by people making 10,000 per mission.
This means, of course, that those same real dancers and musicians don't have the money to do what you are suggesting -- fly to Lok and entertain. So by AFKing on Lok 24/7, you are basically ensuring that no entertainers off-world are ever going to have the money to go to Lok and do the same... because the high-wealth fighters who can afford mongo tips never need leave Lok and thus never go to a place like Kaadara on Naboo to tip the live dancers there.
And even if the live dancers somehow did manage to scrape the cash together to afford a trip to Lok, by delivery missions or other means, your AFK bot character would be there AFK botting and people could just get healed up for free off of you instead of bothering with the real dancer or musician.
Yeah, you're not part of the problem.... uh huh...
C
Heh, if you're referring to me, I don't give out 1 stars to people who voice an opinion just because I don't agree with it. Someone else gave you that star.
"Here is a tip for you>>> You can do delivery missions on naboo from Moenie to Kor Valla for 1k each ... that is 2k per trip... the ticket cost 250credits ... Net profit $1700... round trip $2.4k"
I do missions all the time, both destroy and deliver, because it's the best way for me to make money. It's a shame my profession isn't profitable enough to allow me to make a living doing what I enjoy. It's a shame people complain that there are no entertainers because people like me are out running missions instead of entertaining.
This is a very old and tired topic that's been debated over and over again. Nothing is going to change until SoE decides to step in and curtail certain behaviors.
My response to you wasn't to try to convince you to stop what you are doing, in fact I said play how you want to play. It was to inform you that a great majority of entertainers (your own profession) strongly dislike what you are doing, so don't expect us to condone it here on the forums, and don't act surprised when we don't treat you with respect in the game. You see, to us, you're not an entertainer. You may heal wounds, but when you're AFK, you're no more entertaining than an NPC with a boring script.
"Tell you what... you come to Lok and I will gladly pay your transportation cost. But, If you cannt provide services during the night and don't want to AFK let me know... I'll come and bail you out if you can't."
I'm probably not on your server, but I'll answer your challenge with this. Contact an entertainer on a starter world, tell them Lok needs entertainers. Offer to pay their airfare as you have suggested. Tell them there's tips to be made from experienced characters doing missions that are worth 10k or more. I'm interested to know how many turn you down.
- J
Actually, I am doing exactly what you proposed. I was asked, HIRED, to come to Lok to heal mind wounds. I continue to get way more in Tips there even being AFK and Announcing that I am AFK then I ever got as a Fat Male Dancer competing with the skin tight leotard clad buxom beauties on Tatooine/Naboo/ and corellia. And, as I said, YOU come to Lok and dance. You compete with me and I will leave. You show the world how much better a conversationalist is than an AFK dancer.
However, I have to respectfully disagree with you. In theory, your argument sounds valid. And in the real world, you would be on a more solid footing, but the history of the game does not support you.
Remember the revolt by the medics? They were bemoaning that people did not pay for healing and they abondanded the medical centers for the cantinas to get their exp?
The objection there was "Hey.. You are getting experience for healing me, so why should I pay?"
Well, when all those people made master medic and went on to elite professions, there were no more medics in the medical centers. People were forced to pay, or send tells to medics to have them heal them.
Supply and Demand i suppose.
Same may result here. Right now people are AFK dancing and Music to get to master. But once they get to master, there will be little reason to continue to AFK macro entertain. If they do not AFK entertain, then there will be no one in the cantina and you may have people doing what you suggest, paying people to go to these out of the way places to dance or what not.
But. You can heal mind wounds by camping. And anyone with novice entertainer can heal fatiguetoo.
The medic analogy only goes so far though. Medics are saught after because they can heal during the actual battle. Dancer/Musician cannot.
I have no idea what you were trying to do with the armorsmith analogy so I cannot comment on that.
I've been to Lok several times. I actually made my fare back...once. There would be more entertainers inclined to travel if the fighter types, who are often making money hand over fist on those planets, would loosen their wallets and pay the entertainer for their healing.
You're a part of the problem. You're not at the keyboard, so it's not like you can log off when you see a real entertainer come in. Since you're not logging off, why should the fighter types bother tipping since they can just have their way with your character for free? You can't even group with the real entertainer since you're not at keys, so they won't be getting healing exp either.
Fighter types can't find healing on Lok? Gee, I guess they'll have to *leave* and get healing elsewhere. I mean, what do you do if you need to buy a weapon and can't find anyone selling in your area? You leave and go somewhere else. Maybe weaponsmiths should be reduced to afk bots too so that fighters don't have to travel any more for weapons. Same thing with armorsmiths-heaven forbid, if you need new armor when you're on Lok, you'll have to travel to get it! Can't have *that*!
Heck why don't we just get rid of all the service/crafting professions and change them into NPCs which can be used for free.
I can't even count the number of times I've been told that I should just be minding my own business when it comes to AFKers. Ok, fine. How about you people who think it's just fine and dandy for entertainer to be the only profession you can master while not playing keep your statements about how it doesn't hurt anyone off of the entertainer boards from now on?
It's obvious that you're not really an entertainer so you shouldn't be posting here in the first place. If you need something to fill your trolling time, I suggest going over to the medic/doctor board and posting about how it's so hard to find someone to heal wounds on places like Lok and Dantooine that there should be a healing NPC there for it, that can be used for free.
Your bridge called, it's getting lonely and expects you home before dark.
Sorry.... that last post was out of sync... several people posted between what I was writing about.
annshadow wrote:Actually, I am doing exactly what you proposed. I was asked, HIRED, to come to Lok to heal mind wounds.
Here is the problem then, "annshadow".
You were HIRED to go there. If you played the game NORMALLY (ie. a few hours a day at keyboard) the guys who HIRED you would have to contract with other at-keyboard entertainers during your off-hours. Assuming 3 hours at keyboard per entertainer, Lok and its economy could easily support at least 8 entertainers (and I offer more like 16 - one musician and one dancer). The players on Lok, just like they HIRED you, would be motivated to contact and HIRE 15 other players, if only you weren't there 24/7 AFK Botting.
But you're there. Every day. All day. 24/7. So the Lok players don't need to HIRE or contract any other dancers or musicians because you are always there.
So you are deliberately, by your actions, removing any chance any other entertainer will ever be hired to come to your world and perform, because you are there 24/7, all the time.
My my... that's a NICE little monopoly you've got set up. Oh... I am sure that never entered into the equation. You're not trying to make money at all. You're not trying to take advantage of the situation. You're JUST there to help these poor, put-upon, innocent, helpless fightery types.
Yeah right.
C
I'm also a master dancer. The people I travel with are a master musician and a master musician/dancer. We don't need experience, and we don't ask to be rich. What I'd like is a bit of respect for my profession, something that is lacking right now, and I am sure the proliferation of AFKers contributes to that.
"Same may result here. Right now people are AFK dancing and Music to get to master. But once they get to master, there will be little reason to continue to AFK macro entertain. If they do not AFK entertain, then there will be no one in the cantina and you may have people doing what you suggest, paying people to go to these out of the way places to dance or what not."
Question. After you reach mastery, are you going to stop AFK dancing?
- J