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Thread: Update and Cantina Gossip from the Corr Summit
Update and Cantina Gossip from the Corr Summit
Ok, so yeah, I’m a little late with this update. 
I wasn’t sure what to say since we weren’t supposed to be discussing “side items” and most of what I
learned about Dancers directly is most definitely a side item in the CR.
We also weren’t supposed to talk about the very cool contents of the CR Design Docs, but you guys will have a copy of those in your hot little hands very soon. 
Various Things that should be ok to talk about:
1. Entertainer Quests – I cornered Blair about these at dinner Saturday night. He whipped out a little notebook and pen and wrote down these points:
a. Base Dance and Flourishes that are required to pass off the NPC Portion are causing people to fail from leaving the stage. Either change these to
less drifty Dances or extend the stage boundaries
b. People are failing on subsequent quest runs (previous winners) during the Live Watch Requirement. This seems to be a bug because there aren’t any
intentions of making these a one time only activity at this time. (should also mean you could do them for both Dance and Music)
c. I said we’d like to talk about the Design of the Quests a little more (particularly the Watch Requirements past the first one), he said maybe.
2. During the actual office talks, I asked Keldarin the Lord of the CB if we could have something like the Buff Method the GCW and Combat Corrs
hammered out in the IRC Pre-CR Talks and I proposed in our Pre-CR Submission. He was like, “Oh yeah, no problem.” So, I didn’t really push that any farther. I’ve learned it’s
not wise to question genius and I’m guessing he already has considered this.
Note: Blixtev said they did not typically like the cost that had been suggested, so I’m not really sure what that might turn out to be.
That was really all I think I’m allowed to say so far… we won’t really be seeing any direct changes with the Combat Revamp, but I’m sure we’ll have a lot to plan for once
you guys get to see what I have. 
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Other semi important news:
1. It was decided with Mod input that we will now be having a “Pro/Con Buffbot/AFK/Macro” Sticky thread… this is to cut down on clutter and
flames. If you post on these topics outside of this thread, it will most likely be deleted. I hope this will make more room for fun stuff and important critical issues that
are often ignored. 
2. The Sandbox Details are still being hammered out. This is where we’ll be testing all of these CR goodies that you’ll find in the Docs when you see
them. It’s just a matter of hardware choice and not a set back… it is still closing in and when I have more details I’ll pass them on.
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Just on Panthu news:
I’ve spent most of my SWG time today on putting together a huge Doc for TH to pass around the office including but not limited to our Performance Enhancements. I’m not sure
when they’ll be able to really work on these, but I want to make sure that the concepts of our more popular ideas are at hand when that time does come.
I’m also having a few RL bummers with one family member and one pet that are both worrying me and making me more than my normal amount of flakey. I also have Dragoncon
coming up this week and that will have me a little busy too. (drop me a PM if you’ll be in ATL for the Con and want to meet up)
List of things to do in order of importance:
1. Big huge proposal Doc for TH et al
2. Keeping an eye on you guys, making sure there are no crises that need immediate attention
3. Testing the Quests on TC and following up with the Devs/QA
4. Finishing the “State of Dancer” submission for TH
5. Talking to you guys about your new issues and giving you updates on where I am with this stuff (and anything else that comes along, see item 2 )
6. Update the Master Dancer Contact List (yes, I’m way behind… I’ve wanted to change the format for a while now and haven’t had a chance yet. I
encourage you to start one of your own in your galaxy forum if you don’t have one already and send me a PM if you’d like help getting it stickied there. I’ll get ours updated
in here ASAP )
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Pure Cantina Gossip:
As some of you may know, a few of the other Corrs and Devs started calling my suite at the summit “The Cantina”, so I thought in the true spirit of all that is Cantina
Goodness, you guys might like some dirt on the other Corrs.
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Irott: Approves of Bat/Zombie Love both in chat and RL… is not so good in the Knife Fights
Mapai: Has a Jedi and you don’t… is actually very sensitive
RandonB: Still has a hawt GF… no, he didn’t bring her
Minerunner: Is a bad, bad, boy… and also a Monk, go figure *shrug*
Calculus_Entropy: Otherwise known as “Sir Calc Sissy Pants”… is a close cousin of the Jolly Green Giant and can actually say hawtpants (I heard him say
it *nods*)
KStarfire: Is still a sweetie … also has the ability to attract a crowd of followers when he’s buying you a coke from the vending machine
StGabriel: Likes beer, has a British accent that horrified our token Brit, is not scared of a good knife fight
Vandessa: Likes it rough… game testing that is… geez people!
Dvnce: Pronunciation: 'dE-vE-&n(t)s … Has some of the most painful stories about women I have ever heard… Note: Might not be the best guy to go to for
relationship advice
Pappi: Celebrated her honorary 13th birthday while we were there… is in fact a lush as you may have heard
Tiaga: Really can dance Exotic… phear teh leet Dancer IRL!!!
Vortexala: Is a really hawt girl… if really hawt girls are big dudes that can give you a severe beat down… will be recruited for the Corr American
Style Football League in the fall… /combhair Texxie
Jascentia: Was finally reunited with her long lost twin Pappi… strangely did not also celebrate a birthday though
DiLune: Has a sense of humor that can only come from an evil mastermind… luckily I was on guard for this ahead of time and was able to escape inclusion
in any nefarious plots he might have been planning (I love Dill and didn’t get to see him nearly enough *sniff*)
sciguyCO: Gets all the ladies… except for NancyJ, who might have to beat him down for transgressions against BEs
Tanks: Has never met a Dev’s Ear he didn’t like
JEST3R: Is still hawt even without the stache… does indeed love the hawtpants
JaatoWalls: Knows more about armor than you do… and most likely sandwiches as well… seems very nice, but is also quiet, I’m putting him down on the
dangerous list just in case
NJ62: Is in love… aww 
DeltaXi65: Is single again and on the prowl… watch out hottie interns!
TheRealTK421: Has Low Power Issues… is a good Daddy
Gunman21: Knows more about Dancer than he’ll admit… gets his second wind of talking about Pikeman Issues around 2 am… phear *nods*
Garvin: Is my own personal Sugar Daddy both ig and out… be jealous
DocSavag: Still would not divulge any details of the Pebbles Scandal and denied all knowledge of Cake
Guruweaver: Is still the President of non-Combat and was almost a relative of mine irl… most likely wants to see some form of Buck Dancing in a future
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Trayson_Antilles: Is secretly being controlled by Vandessa… shhhhh
Smuggler_Caylin: Is almost as hot as Han, as I said in the Smuggler forum already… understands the importance of Smugglers as the 3rd and equally
important Canonical Profession… will not rest till all others do as well
Vertexon: Offended a great voodoo priestess shortly before departing for the summit and had a curse put on all traveling for the duration of his trip…
does not always keep his pets out which may or may not be real (I’m still a little fuzzy on that part)
Logix: Can most likely kick your butt in Jedi Academy… he did mine many times *sniff*
NancyJ: Can most likely kick anyone’s butt in Jedi Academy… she even got Logix
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It's good to hear how receptive people were to some of the concerns you brought to them even though the CR probably wouldn't have a direct impact on us. I'm actually looking forward to seeing how this game will be improved
Also, the idea of a "Pro/Con Buffbot/AFK/Macro" sticky thread is a most FANTASTIC idea! I've been incredibly absent from these boards mostly because I was quite tired of seeing those posts, either started by Entertainers (who mostly all know the troubles exist) or by non-Entertainers (who just want to piss us off
shame on you ).Anyway, two thumbs WAY up as always Panthu! I look forward to seeing the CR Docs
Message Edited by Kreistor on 09-01-2004 09:42 AM
Panthu wrote:
DocSavag: Still would not divulge any details of the Pebbles Scandal and denied all knowledge of Cake
Yeah they got me yelling that on tape too. *blush* Chaotic betas excite me, what can I say?
Panthu wrote:
Vandessa: Likes it rough… game testing that is… geez people!
Vandessa wrote:Yeah they got me yelling that on tape too. *blush* Chaotic betas excite me, what can I say?
Panthu wrote:Vandessa: Likes it rough… game testing that is… geez people!
We know hon..we all made note of the "rough" comment..I saw many people taking notes..
Panthu wrote:
I wasn’t sure what to say since we weren’t supposed to be discussing “side items” and most of what I learned about Dancers directly is most definitely a side item in the CR.
Cha-Ching...Gotta keep ya coming back...
Panthu wrote:
Garvin: Is my own personal Sugar Daddy both ig and out… be jealous
Reachwind wrote:I know for whatever reason you are reluctant to speak of the "inside" information you were given but you as the correspondent for this forum were and are representing the entire community to the game developers... Instead it sounds like you all (the correspondents) are just acting as a privileged upper class of this gaming community now. Which quite frankly sucks.
To this point, I'm going to use what I've read from other correspondents with regard to 'being quiet' to respond.
For one thing, the correspondents were specifically asked to be quiet about this information, so please be careful how you phrase your statements, specifically about the correspondents acting as a priveleged upper class. It's not the correspondents who made the decision to be quiet, it was the people running the summit, so the way the correspondents are acting is not a result of what they want to do. It sounds accusatory of the correspondents in your wording.
With regard to why things are being kept temporarily quiet, I've read more than once that it's because there are many rather large documents that were presented to the correspondents, and which are being revised after the summit due to resulting discussion. As such, the people revising the documents would like to make sure that when the information is presented to us, it's not information that's now outdated.
So patience, my friend, the information is coming soon
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Aleyo wrote:
With regard to why things are being kept temporarily quiet, I've read more than once that it's because there are many rather large documents that were presented to the correspondents, and which are being revised after the summit due to resulting discussion. As such, the people revising the documents would like to make sure that when the information is presented to us, it's not information that's now outdated.
Even moreso than this, I'll use the recent announcement that recursive macros will be 'dealt with' in order to fix the Bot situation. From just this one topic, people went wild jumping to conclusions about how it could or could not be done. It sucked! It was great! It would ruin the game! All problems would be solved!!
My guess is that they simply just want to give us the information in such a way so that we don't go seeing things that may or may not be there. I'm busting at the seams waiting to see how the CR works out for all Entertainers, and until it ACTUALLY GETS RELEASED, there's really no way to judge how it will affect us.
So, I agree with Scipionus: be patient. We'll know stuff soon enough
Aleyo wrote:
To this point, I'm going to use what I've read from other correspondents with regard to 'being quiet' to respond.
For one thing, the correspondents were specifically asked to be quiet about this information, so please be careful how you phrase your statements, specifically about the correspondents acting as a priveleged upper class. It's not the correspondents who made the decision to be quiet, it was the people running the summit, so the way the correspondents are acting is not a result of what they want to do. It sounds accusatory of the correspondents in your wording.
With regard to why things are being kept temporarily quiet, I've read more than once that it's because there are many rather large documents that were presented to the correspondents, and which are being revised after the summit due to resulting discussion. As such, the people revising the documents would like to make sure that when the information is presented to us, it's not information that's now outdated.
So patience, my friend, the information is coming soon
You know what though? I am accusing here.... It's not just the conference either. First of all they have a seperate forum that they post to that we are not even allowed to read. The correspondents have long mentioned having heard about some magical change or some mysterious in the works project or fixthat we would all be very excited to know about (but of course we can't know cause we are not in the special correspondent player class).
When they told us that they would be allowing some of the people who posted to the forums to become correspondents they said these people were going to act as liasons between TH (the official liason at the time) and those ofranting away, kissing assor asking for game fixes. Now it seems all the correspondents are is players elevated to quasi-celebrity status and givenspecial priviledges and fancy titles.
If being a correspondentmeans being an elevated member of the community then Iwant to open my correspondent slot too. If it means that they are going to be thisbridgebetween what we are asking and what the devs are saying then give us the info that was discussed.I understand that they don't want certain game mechanics leaked so prevent power gamers from retooling their characters prematurely but god damn it at least tell us that our issues were even discussed and a viable fix is going to be released in a timely manner.... If not then you had better start complaining more because things are broken and need to be fixed NOW.
Reachwind wrote:You know what though? I am accusing here.... It's not just the conference either. First of all they have a seperate forum that they post to that we are not even allowed to read. The correspondents have long mentioned having heard about some magical change or some mysterious in the works project or fix that we would all be very excited to know about (but of course we can't know cause we are not in the special correspondent player class).
When they told us that they would be allowing some of the people who posted to the forums to become correspondents they said these people were going to act as liasons between TH (the official liason at the time) and those of ranting away, kissing ass or asking for game fixes. Now it seems all the correspondents are is players elevated to quasi-celebrity status and given special priviledges and fancy titles.
If being a correspondent means being an elevated member of the community then I want to open my correspondent slot too. If it means that they are going to be this bridge between what we are asking and what the devs are saying then give us the info that was discussed. I understand that they don't want certain game mechanics leaked so prevent power gamers from retooling their characters prematurely but god damn it at least tell us that our issues were even discussed and a viable fix is going to be released in a timely manner.... If not then you had better start complaining more because things are broken and need to be fixed NOW.
But again, whom are you accusing? Do you not think that Panthu would jump at the idea to set up a conference call with everyone who reads the dancer forum and tell us every detail of the weekend, from the summit stuff to the gossip stuff? It does sound to me like you're blaming the correspondents, and maybe you are, but I don't think it's fair to. It's gotta be tough being in a position where you know a lot of information that you would love to share with people, but that you're not allowed to.
Plus I think you're focusing too much on one aspect of the correspondent position. There are two directions of communication involved, and I think that gathering the information from the forums and playerbase and presenting it to TH and the devs is a much larger portion of the job than taking information from TH and presenting it to us. Much of the time, it's easier for TH to make announcements himself to the entire playerbase, and possibly better that way so that players who may not have been interested in profession X before can see the changes coming to profession X and then decide to play it.
If you think that the correspondent position is a position that has no use, or is not being used to its potential, I tend to disagree with you but am open to exploring what ideas you have about it.
If you think that the correspondent position is being abused by Panthu et al., I strongly disagree with you, and think you need to take a better look at what the job is and what she's been doing.