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Thread: Automating buffing..
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Aleyo
Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:12 pm
#1
Goldy_Lhim wrote:MUSICAL DEMON I CAST THEE BACK TO THY REALM!!!!!
/pokeWithSlitherhorn
Don't make me use this...
Yeah, I'm a big disliker of using macros for text. I like to sing songs, and I like to sing them in rhythm (I twitch internally when I can't keep up with the rhythm in my head), but I don't like the idea of macroing the songs (I did it only once and it was for a wedding, since I imagined they wouldn't want me having all sorts of typos when trying to keep up with the rhythm.. incidentally, one of my two song macros for the wedding got cut off for being too long (which I hadn't checked before performing), and my honed-song-typing skills were able to finish it off without a problem
).
picklesSW
Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:14 pm
#2
Oh yah, songs I also think are a valid use of macros, but that's mostly because that's not really interaction with another. It's a performance, and like a real singer, it's ok if it sounds the same every time.
Aleyo
Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:19 pm
#3
picklesSW wrote:
Oh yah, songs I also think are a valid use of macros, but that's mostly because that's not really interaction with another. It's a performance, and like a real singer, it's ok if it sounds the same every time.
Naaaah, no no.. live performers like to change a word or two here or there, shoving their creative license down your throat, even if you want to hear a replication of the song on the album
.It gives you license to change the lyrics up on a whim (I've gotten great reactions when I adapt lyrics to something that just happened in the cantina).
picklesSW
Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:25 pm
#4
No, I think if you can do that, it's fantastic, but I really don't mind if someone has a repertoire of macro-ed song lyrics ready to go. I'm not saying it's better than typing it all in yourself, but I know I would never be able to perform a song by typing it in, I'm too slow. It'd take about a half hour. 
Not that I sing songs anyway.
Not that I sing songs anyway.
Aleyo
Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:32 pm
#5
picklesSW wrote:
No, I think if you can do that, it's fantastic, but I really don't mind if someone has a repertoire of macro-ed song lyrics ready to go. I'm not saying it's better than typing it all in yourself, but I know I would never be able to perform a song by typing it in, I'm too slow. It'd take about a half hour.
Not that I sing songs anyway.
Eh, I wasn't really trying to contradict you or anything, just wanted to put in a fun reference to our conversation over on the Gypsy site.
Goldy_Lhim
Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:36 pm
#6
for my performance. those 3 lines of text is only thing macroed out of Goldy's mouth. I see I'm a minority here but I don't feel it takes away from my performance.
I guess I was looking at buffing as something that doesn't really fit in any roleplaying scene, I mean how does watching my tushy shake really make these guys so much smarter anyway? Since it didn't fit in the roleplaying scene and wasn't like the repeated "heal me ! tip me !" type text macros going off every10 seconds (my text only appears as I'm buffing someone) that those 3 lines spread over 3 minutes wasn't harming anyone.
I honestly don't know why you all would be so quick to condemn text in macros in general. I use macros CONSTANTLY for the events I host. Macro for the rules so I can repeat them before the event, macro for the prizes as its usually asked multiple times, macro to announce over planet chat that an event is about to start,macro to give the order of contestants (if applicable), macro that explains event flow (if multiple steps), etc. If I had to type all these things out each time I used them, events wouldn't run half as smoothly as they do. Text macros have their place but saying singing and certain combat only is a bit narrowminded.
No text macro I own is looping. Only reason you may hear it again is because by luck I had a second customer for a buff. Myrepeat customers suggests that they do not mind this text and the folks looking specifically to me tends to make me think they actually are glad I have basic instructions along with my buff and are happy with the service I am providing.
I do agree that macros are non-personal and should be used sparingly but this idea that use of them is some sort of entertainer abomniation is a bit silly. Perhaps its just the way the afk crowd has abused them that has jaded entertainers to thinking this way. I cannot count the number of "heal me! tip me!" folks I have on ignore. Text in macros has many uses and should be frowned upon only when abused.
picklesSW
Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:44 pm
#7
"this idea that use of them is some sort of entertainer abomniation is a bit silly."
Speaking for myself, it's a personal choice not to use them, and as I said, I just pretty much ignore them when coming from others. They don't particularly bother me unless them become spam. They're not an 'abomination' in my book.
Speaking for myself, it's a personal choice not to use them, and as I said, I just pretty much ignore them when coming from others. They don't particularly bother me unless them become spam. They're not an 'abomination' in my book.
Panthu
Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:47 pm
#8
Hey hey, what's with the getting weird and hurt feelings? We're all cool here, to each artist their own.
I just don't like it for me because it feels too robot to me, it's totally selfish on my part. Sometimes I'm sure my patrons would love it if I would be more automated, I can be really flakey about buff timers, lol. 
Goldy_Lhim
Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:55 pm
#9
I didn't say you were thinkingI was a robot and I'm not really weirded out.
Just I'm the only one that appears to think its ok to put text in macros and I wanted to add my 2 cents that not all entertainers think they should be avoided. I don't want little dancer noobs to go about buffing the hard way just because they saw a post where everyone said text in macros wasn't cool.
So its cool kiddies. Just learn the difference between text usefulness and text abuse. Quoting lyrics, begging for tips or heals, welcoming folks over and over and over in a macro is bad bad bad.
And stay off the spice! Taketip from Auntie Goldy.
Aleyo
Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:58 pm
#10
Goldy_Lhim wrote:this idea that use of them is some sort of entertainer abomniation is a bit silly.
I'm sorry. I did not mean to imply that using text macros is a complete abomination. I had forgotten to mention the use of them at events, where yes, they can be very useful to repeat information. Given that we lack the ability to put up visible signs in the world, /saying information has to replace that role, aside from other things that may need to be repeated, and that by itself is enough justification for good use.
The personal cringing I mentioned when I am interacted with in this way only comes when someone (and certainly not just an entertainer) is speaking specifically to me, and is just my reaction to it. I don't pass judgement on people for using the technique (I might inform them, if I'm friends with them and expect to interact with them often, that I would prefer more of a personal touch). But it does make me cringe. To explain the telemarketing recording comparison even more, when I get a phone call, I get excited that I might get to talk to someone. I answer the phone, say "hello?" waiting to find out who's decided to call me at this random time (since I'm obviously not expecting the call). I hear a pause, and then a mechanized voice starts saying something that I quickly hang up on, disappointed. That's how I feel when someone uses pre-crafted messages on me, disappointed that I'm not worth the time to type to. Maybe there's good reason for it, but that's my initial reaction (and I usually get over that disappointed feeling quickly anyway if the person goes on to start chatting with me). By the same token, since I don't wish to be on the receiving end of such things, I avoid using text macros on the other players. I'm probably quite uncommon in my typing out of songs and such on the fly, and that's just me being weird
. It's just how I play, and I wanted to hear how other people felt about it .Once again, sorry if I made it seem like I felt that this is some horrible thing that should be removed from the game
.Message Edited by Aleyo on 09-14-2004 04:00 PM
Goldy_Lhim
Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:06 pm
#11
*mental note: do not use the word abomniation again no matter how fun it is to say*
I can see how it would inherit that reaction. Most folks I believe ignore it completely when they know its a macro. I buff my husband 1 maybe 2 times a night. He gets the same macro everyone else gets and doesn't at all feel ignored or miffed that I used macroed text and I know for a fact he understands the buffing process. I would think most people probably just don't give a rip about my 3 lines of text.
Also, I hate to be the one that brings this to your attention. But what you hear at your computer is not what your customers hear. I have a second account musician I play (I roleplay her as my twin sister and we're constantly fighting in the cantina, "You took my dress from my closet again!" stuff like that - its even funnier to the people that know that its all me). What she hears on her computer while performing is NOT what I hear when I am listening to her. The flourishes have a sort of lag. So while you work hard to get your performance in sync with the beat, most likely your customer doesn't see this effort. Perhaps it doesn't matter to you so long as it sounds right to you but I thought it was worth mentioning.
but I thought it was worth mentioning.
Esharra
Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:16 pm
#12
I use one, very short, chat macro..and only because the game doesn't have a /grope emote (but I use this very sparingly and only with good friends).
And Scip, you're here because the voices are telling you that you just want to dance..don't argue..don't analyze..just dance.
Message Edited by Esharra on 09-14-2004 04:25 PM
Aleyo
Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:45 pm
#13
Ah, when I try to keep rhythm while singing, it's the rhythm of the actual song in my head, which is likely not to the beat of whatever song my character may be playing. For example, I could sing the happy birthday song, and I'd be singing it in my head and trying desperately to have my fingers keep up. But it wouldn't fit with the song being played in any way, precisely because what they hear is not what I hear.
And fine, if you want me to dance, I can dance.. but then the music will go away, and we'll all look really silly dancing along to the sounds of silence (and me in my warm hat)!
Hmm, on second thought, I'll keep playing!
And fine, if you want me to dance, I can dance.. but then the music will go away, and we'll all look really silly dancing along to the sounds of silence (and me in my warm hat)!
Hmm, on second thought, I'll keep playing!
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