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Hey everybody!

In the last days I became to know that very, very few persons tip Dancers they watch (or Entertainer in general). Most of he times they heal for about 51 action damage and leave afterwards.

Yesterday I danced about 5 hours in Theed (Gorath) and only one or two persons tipped me.
And that was not because I can only dance Basic or because I am fat, ugly and so on.

So I decided to use the deny-service-command. But in my opinion it is useless if only a couple of Dancers use this command. There are enough Dancer (and if it is only an afk-Dancer) that are still there and can heal.

So my question to you: How often do you use this command? The Devs gave us a possibility to (kind of) force the audience to tip us so that we can live from the tips.

Few weeks ago a person told me that it is a threat to use this command (he was watching be meanwhile) and he told me that Dancers should not be allowed to use this command. Btw: He tipped, of course, nothing ...

Best regards, ~Cyndera~

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Leader of the Gorath Dance Academy

The only real way for the deny service command to be of any use is to get the entire entertainer community to agree to use it until they are paid. However with the2-6afk ones in just about every cantina it isn't likely to happen. Then of course there are the people who don't seem to mind not getting paid for all of the harrassing and disrespect shown to us. Yes, there are quite a few people that respond, and are polite, but on the whole there is about 5-10 times as many who are either rude, or treat us like NPCs and nothing more.

I never used this comand.

If I want to deny I stop dancing like I have done before (call me conservative )

The effect is much more dramatic, if I stop dancing and sit down .

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Aniella (Gorath ) Dancer

Any person that tosses the "wow, male dancer, you must be gay irl" automatically gets denied and ignored

happens quite often sadly

lol, I'm at a loss what said amateur freuds would interpret into a guy who plays an alien with two tentacles on their head Or fur... or scales...

Anyway, I used deny only once. Someone came in and thought is was funny to punch me in the face. Well, in civilized cantinas people don't think it's funny.

I don't think deny was given us as a tip enforcement. And dancing in Theed with 20 entertainers and 10 customers, half of each AFK, noone will get tipped. Go to smaller cantinas and talk to your customers.

Entertainers can't live on tips. If you can, you either know people who give you something for free in return ( Tailors, Architects ) or you have a slightly lower lifestyle than the average person. But every entertainer is free to have another novice profession and artisan will yield enough money to not worry about tips any more.

Deny should be used for people insulting or harassing you.

It is not the case that I haven't got enough money. But in my opinion it must be possible to live a life just as an Entertainer ...

Look at the merchants, they have millions of credits ... It seems to become a class society

And it is not easier to get tips in smaller cantinas ... there are always a few ppl and they do not tip much more often that in Theed (for example) ...

I agree that this command is only useful when used by the whole Entertainer Community. But this would be a little diffucult, wouldn't it? ...

Greetings, ~Cyndera~

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In my opinion, anyone who uses /denyservice to force tips is engaging in extortion. That was not the original reason a few dancers talked SOE into adding it -- it was intended as a means to deny healing to those who are harrassing us or to players of opposite faction (Rebels don't care to buff Imps and vice versa).

If you want a way to make money and have reached at least Novice Dancer, advertise the new mind buffs we give and charge a reasonable tip for them (bearing in mind that the power and duration of your buff depends on your Dance Tech skill, so Masters are going to give the best buffs).

Otherwise, I think it's two choices for Dancers: (1) Accept the fact that you're not going to get rich and dance because that's what you want to do (there are other ways to make money, after all, and the entertainer missions are supposed to be upgraded soon); or (2) Find another profession you like better.

As I said,I am not interesting in making money ... that would not work (and I have other opportunities for that) And use the command to force the tip (ONLY for this purpose) would not work either. Perhaps I expressed myself not quite correct. I appologise for that. Further more I only wanted to now if anybody uses the command (perhaps regularly) and for which purpose.

I was just curious. I did not want to start a discussion about 'Can you force sb. to tip you' or 'Can I become rich with a Dancer's carrer' ...

Greetings, ~Cyndera~ ^^

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I've used it a couple of times when a player was harrassing me. I've also used it in Anchorhead when Imps were overrunning the tavern and a few were poisoning our doctors. Even then, myonly reason for denying them was the hope they'd need to go somewhere else for a while to heal mind and give the docs time to heal each other up.

Since I am (up until now) neutral I will not deny service based on faction, and since the command has been available I have not needed it for harrassment, and, I would never, ever, under any circumstance use it to extort tips! So, in answer to the original question, never, so far.

Iwen

I use it when I'm in need of a laugh, mostly.

Last night, this marksman walked into the cantina in Bestine and started calling me a ho, saying such things like, "Here's your money B***h, now give me a B*****b." I promptly /deniedservice and /addedignore, although it was quite fun seeing the other entertainers come to my aid and basically "let him have it," so to speak. Afterwards one of the entertainers was kind enough to show me the chat log of what happened and it was fun watching him try to ask me how come he suddenly was not getting healed and I seemed to be ignoring him. He just didn't get it really. If it doesn't pass common decency in IRL, it probably isn't going to happen in-game.

(Idiot).

I've used /denyservice well...semi-regularly, I guess. If someone is being harassing or just plain annoying (such as spamming chat) then I'll /deny them. AFK Entertainers automatically get both /denied and /ignored. Then there are the people who insist on brining their large and annoying pets into the cantina, and will not put them away when asked politely. Also /denied.

Now, ultimately, it doesn't really hurt them, as there are always other Entertainers they can watch (usually AFK ones). But I don't feel I should have to heal them.

I've never used it. I have never needed to. If I needed to deny someone service it would be because they were being obnoxious, and not many people are. If they are, I just sit down or if it is really bad I walk out.

But then I am a roleplayer, and I try to have my character do what she would do in that situation. Someone comes in and starts talking smack to her... she will get angry or hurt, and stop dancing. She dances when she is happy, and if she is angry or hurt she is not happy.

The one time I had her stop dancing, sit in the corner, and cry. Oh man... you should've seen the other combatants go postal on that guy's butt. One wookiee swordsman challenged him to a duel and when he wouldn't take it the rest of them started yelling at him, and they basically chased him out of the cantina. The wookiee followed him and eventually the guy accepted the duel and got DBed. The wookiee came back in and I tipped HIM, for defending my honor (he promptly tipped it right back to me saying it was his pleasure).

I've gotten a lot more milage out of just RPing stuff than I ever would have out of /deny.

C