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Goldy_Lhim

Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:17 pm

It could be thedancers you are getting buffs from don't fully understand how to apply them, but if its happened like this from a bunch of different dancers I would guess the problem lies on your end somewhere. Either way this site will help clear up confusions about mind buffs. Don't be /listen or /watch anyone else. How long you watch depends on how often the dancer flourishes. If they know how buffs work, they'll know when to tell you to /stopwatch. Sometimes buffs just bork up. Usually though they won't apply at all, not only sorta buff though.

If it was me I would probably tip the money back for anything longer than 10-15 min. If shorter than that I would first ask if they were interested in waiting and trying again. I can't say all dancers would dothis. After all they did dance for you for the buff length and you did in fact get a buff. They might consider payment as their time investment cost.

One thing you should consider is that we can't see how well the buff applied. We're lucker than musicians as we can actually see your mind bar move but for the actual stats and time, we haven't a clue. Doctors get at least a notice of how well their buff landed, we get diddly. Approach this matter delicately and politely to avoid giving the dancer the impression you are making up that the buff isn't 2 hours just to get your money back, essentially getting a free buff.

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Schardour

Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:19 pm

#2

Each Dancer handles this differently. Most will refund some (if not all) of your payment, assuming they're live and at the keyboard. I generally don't charge for a buff that gets borked (I've only had one short one go through and couldn't figure out what happened. Most of my buffs are for 2 hours or they don't take at all.)

If there was a way to override the buff, the problem wouldn't be as severe. However, I don't see a change in the coding anytime soon that will allow us to do that. Until that day comes (assume no earlier than Patch11, if ever), we have to live and deal with buff malfunctions. There's really no other way to deal with them than to deal with each instance on anindividual basis.

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PistolDance

Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:09 pm

#3

Liani wrote:

I gladly pay up frontto live dancers (and musicians)for mind buffs

But....I get less than 2 hour buffs quite a bit, even though I do what I am asked by the master dancer/musician.

I then have to wait for the lesser buff to wear off before getting a new one.

How do you all handle this? rebates? tip after done?

I want to do the right thing....but being buffed for 45 minutes when I am about to head out on a raid or hunt is almost useless.

Thanks!

Liani

Ask them to group buff you instead of set perform, this clears up a lot of problems.

Or if you keep getting the problem, ask an entertainer whom youve gotten good buffs from to send his/her macro to youand pass it around to those that dont seem to be able to complete a buff.

Message Edited by PistolDance on 08-06-2004 02:11 PM

Milandra (SI)

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kirah_ashlin

Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:31 pm

#4

PistolDance wrote:

Ask them to group buff you instead of set perform, this clears up a lot of problems.

Or if you keep getting the problem, ask an entertainer whom youve gotten good buffs from to send his/her macro to youand pass it around to those that dont seem to be able to complete a buff.

Message Edited by PistolDance on 08-06-2004 02:11 PM

Actually, I've had just as many nonbuffs happen in grouped situation as setperformed ones. At least with setperform I have some form of control over the application of the buff - abeit, it is still very little.

A few patches ago we were bugged. You can't /watch adancer and /listen to a musician and get simultanious buffs presently. Even if you are not getting buffed by the other entertainer, you still can ONLY /watch OR /listen (meaning you have to watch a dance with no music at all - sigh). The devs are aware of the problem but we have no idea as to when this will be fixed.

Another bug: you can't craft, meditate or even trade while getting a buff. Doing so will negate the buff completely or reduce its duration. I'd go so far as to say you don't want to do much of anything. Sad but true. Oh, well -you might be able to do a bug report! We also have no time frame on the fix for this either.

Make certain you are watching a MASTER dancer or musician. Make sure they know how many flos it takes to establish a 2 hour buff and that they adjust their buff time if they have to stop for healing, etc during the buff. You must /watch or /listen for a minimum of 2 minutes to get a buff of any duration and no less than 3 minutes 20 seconds to get a 2 hour buff with a master who flos 120 times within that time frame. They can take longer (and will if they don't have a quickness buff or accarragm or someone around to keep them healed), but all successfulbuffs require 120 flos or more.

Also follow your musician's or dancer's instructions. Unequip your weapon so they can tell that you are watching or listening by your clap. If you feel uncomfortable about this, you can always sit down after. Be sureyou target the buffer andTYPE/watch or /listen before they /setperform and be sure to TYPE /stopw or /stopl when they tell you to - not before. If you are grouped for the buff, make sure you watch or listen for a minimum of 4 minutes (longer would be better).

If you still find yourself getting 45 minute buffs, you will want to notify customer support - most likely you are bugged. We had a former guildmate who couldn't get buffs at all because his character was bugged, so it happens.

Hope this helps some!

Drygo

Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:58 pm

#5

Liani wrote:

I gladly pay up frontto live dancers (and musicians)for mind buffs

But....I get less than 2 hour buffs quite a bit, even though I do what I am asked by the master dancer/musician.

I then have to wait for the lesser buff to wear off before getting a new one.

How do you all handle this? rebates? tip after done?

I want to do the right thing....but being buffed for 45 minutes when I am about to head out on a raid or hunt is almost useless.

Thanks!

Liani

Ever since I learned the proper way to buff, I've never once given a partial buff. I think that lies with your entertainer not knowing what he/she is doing. However, I have had buffs fail many times. Usually its due to the patron watching or listening to someone else at the same time, which is a bug. Sometimes, they simply don't take, which is also a bug. Either way, if the buff fails, I ask them if they'd like to try again. If they say yes, I'll redo it. If they say no, I give a full refund.

If there comes a time where I only give a partial buff for some reason, and it's not the fault of the customer, then I would also offer a full refund. A partial buff, in my opinion, is just as bad as a failed buff. Actually, it might even be worse, because with a failed buff you get a do over without having to wait 45 minutes. So, definitely, full refund.

That's what I do anyways.

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PhoenixStar

Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:34 pm

#6

I've never really bothered with getting the timing exactly right, but I used a few people as guinea pigs to get my buffs to 2 hours. What I did was I created a timer macro that is launched within my buff macro, it counts down from 300 seconds and I do a flourish every 2 seconds until the end of the 300 seconds. I have all of my action stats maxed so I can actually do it.

Some of my customers /stopwatch a minute early and say that got close to 2 hours or the full 2 hour buff, so 300 seconds with 2 seconds between flourishes isn't exact but it's pretty close.

Liani

Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:52 am

#7

I gladly pay up frontto live dancers (and musicians)for mind buffs

But....I get less than 2 hour buffs quite a bit, even though I do what I am asked by the master dancer/musician.

I then have to wait for the lesser buff to wear off before getting a new one.

How do you all handle this? rebates? tip after done?

I want to do the right thing....but being buffed for 45 minutes when I am about to head out on a raid or hunt is almost useless.

Thanks!

Liani

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Tangleweb

Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:03 am

#8

i never have problems with my /setperform buffs, it's the group buffs that don't seem to work right for me. i can blast out a 2 hour buff in 4 minutes everytime using /setperform. i do groups buffs and it varies anywhere from as much as 2 hours to as little as 13 minutes. i had this happen to me in one group buff session. two guys watching for the same amount of time, one got 2 hours, the other 13 minutes.... group buffs elude me!

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Ikewe

Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:21 am

#9

Basically mind buffs are buggy and there's no one way that's going to ensure you never have one go awry. My response would be to either refund the tip or offer to give the next one free. If this were someone I knew I might even offer to travel to their destination to try again when the short buff ran out.

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PistolDance

Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:55 am

#10

Ok, I know everyone is going to hate this. But group buffs are better, wether you believe it or not

I have yet to get a bad buff from a buffbot and they always use groupbuffs. The only times I have gotten good buffs in game from an ATK performer was in a group buff.

They really need to work on /setperform being bugged.

As leaving the group you are entertaining with disrupts the whole concept of a band.

Milandra (SI)

" Into the garbage chute fly-boy! "

Schardour

Sat Aug 07, 2004 1:22 pm

#11

I think most entertainers will agree that passive buffs tend to work more often, Milandra.

If you've never gotten a good buff without a bot though...then you're either doing something that interferes with the active buff, or you've not used more than 3 live entertainers.

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PistolDance

Sat Aug 07, 2004 1:24 pm

#12

Schardour wrote:

If you've never gotten a good buff without a bot though...then you're either doing something that interferes with the active buff, or you've not used more than 3 live entertainers.

Til I dont see how you can make that assumption. There are a lot of entertainers out there that dont know how to buff properly.

And I stated I have gotten good buffs from ATK players, but it was a group buff. I have never recieved a good buff from /setperform.

Milandra (SI)

" Into the garbage chute fly-boy! "

Schardour

Sat Aug 07, 2004 1:31 pm

#13

Right, but most Masters have some idea of what they're doing if they're doing an active buff. And fail rates aren't as high as you would make them out to be. For a period, I was experiencing something like a 30% fail rate, but never close to 100%

Lately I've been making certain that the player doesn't /emote, meditate, or move around as much just to increase the likelihood of success. The failure rate on active buffsseems to have dropped now that I'm more firm with my clients. (They still happen to frequently though.)

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