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Thread: Buffing in CANTINA ONLY SUCKS
Ok so your rich from buffing in the cantina.
But my whole post is asking, don't you think we should be able to buff outside the cantina considering the other buffing profession in the game can?
The light, man. Unless you live on dathomir, your eyes will be permanantly damaged from leaving the dank confines of the cantina.
Actually it is a great idea.
I really don't want to see people getting mind buffs while waiting for the shuttle and stuff. It just doesn't fit my idea of the performance RP, which incidentally is the reason I don't think docs should be able to buff anywhere a droid can go, except the cantina. Anyway, it just doesn't make sense to me to have dancers standing all over town performing, what would the point of a cantina be then? And further, doctors/medics and dancers are different, despite the fact that they are both healing professions.
I agree it sucks to put up with all the afk spam in the cantinas, but that is a different and larger problem.
I don't know why more people don't know about the secondary stat buffs that Ents can perform, but in all honesty I'm not convinced that allowing people to do performance buffs anywhere in the galaxy will help that much...maybe I'm wrong...
This is just the way I see it and everyone is entitled to an opinion. Its definitely an interesting point to make.
All this will lead to is BuffBots all over and outside the major starports. Sure it would be nice for a change, but if you really want to buff outside cantinas, they're is a plethora of alternative options
NPC Theatre
NPC Hotel
PC Cantina
and any PC building.
Customers have to come to you. Make sure your not anonymous and any buff requests you get, have them come to the Hotel/Theatre (Both excelent, if not underused locations) As a master you can also open a cantina in a crowded, lively player city and get quite good business. My friend has a cantina in a city near the Krayt canyon and he get groups and individuals coming in for healing/buffs quite often. Allowing Buffs anywhere would just spread the BuffBots. People would never come to the cantina. They would drag their BuffBots with them all over. It would kill our business.
"I agree it sucks to put up with all the afk spam in the cantinas, but that is a different and larger problem."
NPC Theatre
NPC Hotel
PC Cantina
and any PC building."
So are you saying that there are Doctor buffbots all over and outside the major starports? Even if there was, I'm not totally convinced this would be bad. Competition drives down prices as we seek to compete with each other. Its interesting. You proceed to tell me that if I really want to BUFF OUTSIDE cantinas, there are a plethora of options... all of which involve being INSIDE a building. My issue is, let me get out. Let me be in the city. Let me advertise a little. At least give me the option to buff outside the cantina. Maybe make it so only Master Dancers/Musicians can with a entertainment droid. That's like telling the doctors that they have to buff only in a hospital and if they don't like it they can buff inside a NPC hospital, a PC hospital or a cantina. That's stupid. They can do it outside, almost anywhere they want. Why can't I?! Why why why? If your talking about the RP aspect of it, I don't see anything strange about someone dancing outside. I think that is just as odd as a Doctor working on someone. When is the last time in RL you saw a doctor operating on someone outside? That's bs! They are ALWAYS in a clinic or a hospital. I'm just not seeing how they get the ability to and we cannot.
"Customers have to come to you. Make sure your not anonymous and any buff requests you get, have them come to the Hotel/Theatre (Both excelent, if not underused locations)"
I'm never anonymous and I respond to each and every request for buffs. You failed to understand my initial point. Customers can come to me, I'm not objecting to that at all. They seek out doctors and go to them. Again, then issue is, someone can find a doc and say, are you buffing? The doc replies, yes I'm by the startport. So someone says to me, are you buffing? I say, yeah I'm in the cantina because I cannot go anywhere else. The inital point is, why can't I do it by the starport? Why is the doctor not confined to the hospital? You said that, "customers have to come to you". Obviously they do! I know of very few docs that will come to you and buff you... you always go to them and get buffed. The issue isn't if the customers come to me or not, I will even willingly go to them..IF I COULD OUTSIDE THE CANTINA! Part of my issue that I brought up is that there are alot of people who are completely unaware that Dancers and Musicans can give mind/focus/willpower buffs. A doctor can stand in the city and shout, buffing 10k, send tell. I CANNOT. Therefore, I have no real way of letting people know that I can buff, whereas the doctor is clearly saying he can. Ok so you might say, well people come into the cantina and heal up so they have the opportunity to find out that they can get a mind/focus/willpower buff. Yeah well that's also assuming there is one in the cantina. Or that they know how to use the search function. I have to rely on them hearing that you can get buffed from someone else, or waltzing into the cantina when I am there and advertising that I can buff. Again, it comes back to why am I forced into this method when the doctor has the luxury of pulling out his droid and doing almost anywhere, anytime?
"As a master you can also open a cantina in a crowded, lively player city and get quite good business."
Right......because all of us want to master a profession and open a building. That's like telling the doctors, well I'm sorry you can't buff outside the hospital, but as a master doc, you can open a hospital in a crowed, lively player city and make good money. That's stupid and you and I know it. The fact is, they don't have to and please explain why I have to.
"Allowing Buffs anywhere would just spread the BuffBots. People would never come to the cantina. They would drag their BuffBots with them all over. It would kill our business."
Please. Doctors can buff anywhere yet your telling me that all you see is Doctor buffbots? Cmon, be realistic. People would never come to the cantina? That's like saying people would never go to the hospitals because doctors can buff anywhere. Not so! If we can buff anywhere, people still would come to the cantina. Think about it...you have 450 battle fatigue and some mind wounds. Are you going to waste your time tracking down a dancer/musician with a droid or are you going to run to the cantina? Switch it around. You have some nasty health and action wounds. Are you going to waste time tracking down a doc to heal you or do you head to the hospital? The reality is, you probably do both depending on the situation. Again, if you look at what you are saying, you are basically saying, you can buff anyone inside a building and if you can buff anywhere, that will spread the buffbots and people would never come to the cantina. I totally fail to see this. And even your response fails to respond to my question as to why the doctors are allowed to but we are not. I don't need to be convinced that I can do it in another building. I don't need someone to tell me that the "sky is falling" as it were,and if this were to be allowed, there would be buffbots everywhere. That's so not true. The reality here is, not eveyone wants to be a dancer/musician just as not everyone wants to be a Doctor.
We are not doctors frankly, and it is much easier to run an AFK buffing macro on an ent then it is on a Doctor. Ours run indefinitely, where if a doctor runs out of stims....
Furthermore, all we need is to have a flourish macro running with a /join macro. Whereas a doctor must put in many complicated targetting lines as well as UI action toolbar slots for each individual buff stim, 6 in all. It is much more complicated. If you want out of the cantina, leave it. Go to the starport and dance or play music until you get a customer, then go to nearest building and buff them. If business is so busy, that you can't leave the cantina, I don't see why you are complaining, but you obviously have some down time and believe you could do more buffs nearer to a starport. Well if you really want to do more buffs, go to an adventure planet. Dathomir Outpost and several of the Dantooine Outposts always have higher end game players who know about buffs and are willing to pay well for them. If you sick of being indoors or really want to make money Entertaining is not the profession for you. It is a social profession and if all Masters were spread around the starport, it would go from being a social profession to a crafting profesion...like doctor, where companionship does not matter. I love cantina's and I love the people there. That's what make entertaining great, not the money you make, but the people you meet. Sure, it hasn't been the same since AFK's and I agree Theed/Coronet can be annoying at times.
People would still come to cantina's for regular healing, but you would no longer see Master Dancers/Master Musicians, who many up and coming ents rely upon for training in Cantinas. They would all be out spamming the starport, as if we need more of that. I never see a Master Doc in the Med Center. They are all out buffing people and spewing spamm and frankly, that's not why I became a Master Musician and Master Entertainer. Sure buffs are nice and all... but there is so much more to entertainers than buffs alone. Cantina's are entertainers place. Devs decided that from Day 1. The fact is Docs are needed on the battlefield. Rezzes and heals are both important. How often do you see a Master Musician out hunting? That is because they are all in cantina's, where they start there careers and where they end them. If you really want to get out and perform in the street, go ahead. It looks awesome, but to be able to buff out there, would ruin Cantina's as gathering places in this game. It would also hurt the unity of our profession. I frankly see no reason to allow buffing run rampant and I have no desire to buff away from the cantina.
Digitarius wrote:
Why is it that we cannot buff outside the cantina yet doctors can?
Good points -Isaiah-, might want to try a less flame inciting title and tactic next time though.
There has been a lot more talk about extending our healing potential to other areas, I would like to be able to tell the Devs where we all stand on our different options. I know the concerns (death of cantinas mostly), but I'd like more input on the possibilities.
Maybe we can do a nice calm poll later. 
Furthermore, all we need is to have a flourish macro running with a /join macro. Whereas a doctor must put in many complicated targetting lines as well as UI action toolbar slots for each individual buff stim, 6 in all. It is much more complicated. "
First, I don't know where you came up with me talking about a afk buffing macro. I was talking about dancers/musicans who are afk-macroed to get xp. My alt is a Master Doctor and I think that's why I feel so passionate about this. My alt can buff wherever she wants, but my dancer has to sit in the cantina. Lame. Just lame.
You say that dcotors run out of stims... well I know plenty of entertainers who run out of action...
All we need is a flourish macro with join and the doctor must put in "many complicated targetting lines" as well as ui action toolbar slots? This is because you do not know how to macro properly if anything. You never have to use ui action toolbar anything. And you don't need one for each individual buff stim...lol and no, its not much more complicated. If your talking about a macro for a doctors buff and a macro for a dancers buff... they are almost the same as far as difficulty goes. My issue was never buffing macros.. it was the fact that TO BUFF where you can be. Doctors can be (almost) anywhere with their 110 medical capability droid out and buff whereas the Dancers are forced to live in the confines of the cantina. Whether this is because you feel doctors are a support class and out in the battlefield and the dancers/musicians are a "social" class and should be forced to socialize in the cantina is unfair. The fact is, a buff is really a buff is a buff. A doctor increasing your stamina by 2000 is really no different than me increasing your mind by 2000 other than the doctor is using a crafted stimpack and I'm just flourishing. But I fail to see how those 2 differences justify allowing doctors to roam free and forcing me to remain in a building.
All I need is a legitimate, intelligent, reasonable answer as to why doctors can buff with a droid out wherever they want and dancers/musicians must remain in a building to do theirs. Tell me why the doctor does NOT have to be in the hospital. We could talk about the death of the hospital but that's just stupid. We all know there are people in the hospitals. I wish I could sit in a room and discuss this so you could understand that I'm not being mad or upset about this but just trying to emphasize my point.
*sigh*
Oh well, looks like I'll have to put up with standing just on the edge of the front door of the cantina looking out with my advertising macro ready until the dev's get some feedback. I have a feeling if you ask any of the people who get buffed by entertainers or the buffers themselves: woud you like to have the ability to be buffed or give buffs outside the cantina using a entertainer droid, you would find that most would agree to this. And if something like this did get published, your never forced to do it. You can sit in the cantina and reply to tells saying your buffing and shout that your buffing while the rest of us that want to get some fresh air buff people outside, around people. Cantina's arent the only social place in the game. I've seen ALOT of real discussion going on around the baz/banks, starports, mission terminals.
Digitarius wrote:
If you could talk to me in real life, you'd see that I'm not upset or "flaming", just passionate about how I feel.
I know, I do understand, really. You are just looking at this and saying "hello! This makes sense!"... I get you.
Some people feel like we've already been shaken up too much by change and more change would just push us farther away from Dancer at Conception. I am guessing that you are a little frustrated with seeing a problem that looks like it is being ignored. So you are just trying to rally people.
We just had a thread about Ranger Tents for BF and the Battle Fatigue Design in the corr forums... both threads touched on this Med Healing vs Ent Healing idea.
I get it, it's time to talk about it. It's just sometimes hard to see what the other side is saying when we use words like "sucks" and "stupid" and capslock. It tends to make people a little jumpy, heh. Rest assured, we're going to be talking about this though. For my part, I'm going to try to get a clear picture of the Dancer Community’s feeling on this and then try to flag down some Dev attention.