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Thread: Whats a buffbot?
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WantonPromo
Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:10 pm
#1
I've noticed a few threads on buffbots and why they are bad. But I'm fairly new to Entertainer/Dancer and I'm not actually sure what a "buffbot" is. Would someone be kind enough to explain it to me?
DeathsEgo
Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:21 pm
#2
A buffbot is basicly someone who is a master dancer/musician, who runs a macro and keeps their character on 24/7, providing buffs to the masses. No actual work in involved as people who run these buffbot macros level up completely afk, coming in for at most 5 minutes a day for training. The dancer/music community doesnt view these toons as real players in any respect, mostly because its not a person behind the controls its a list of commands.
Because of these buffbots other entertainers who actually play arent viewed by many combatants to be the same thing robots who arent really people. Causing us much disrespect by other players.
Because of these buffbots other entertainers who actually play arent viewed by many combatants to be the same thing robots who arent really people. Causing us much disrespect by other players.
Message Edited by DeathsEgo on 12-09-2004 04:22 PM
WantonPromo
Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:23 pm
#3
Ah I see, the people who only "play" the game to make credits and not actually play it for fun?
Utess
Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:33 pm
#4
Well, not quite. Some people might even choose to make an entertainer character just to make credits. That is certainly their choice although I personally believe you should only play something you find fun.
But, a buff bot is someone doing it either for credits, or as a buffing machine for their guild, and does so by using macros. This way they never once have to play the character other than log in. And, if they have a second computer or some other alt, they can just log in their main character and leave the bot running all day.
It demeans our profession as they basically are just automated buff vending machines. So, other players don't think much about entertainers, entertainers who actually play the whole time can't compete, and since buff bots are everywhere those who do play in cantinas on live servers often find themselves surrounded by zombies.
Doriana
Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:37 pm
#5
Yeah, the core definition is someone who fully automates all aspects of buffing by means of constantly looping macros and with the intent of passively distributing buffs with no interaction on the part of the entertainer.
Usually bots are AFK but there are some who aren't. The vast majory have an "autojoin" macro , though some in the minority use targetting macros to automatically issue invites and some have an invite list they loop in their macro.
Technically anyone who is novice dancer/musician or higher and running an "autojoin" macro is a buffbot, because someone can come by, invite, buff and disband.
Usually bots are AFK but there are some who aren't. The vast majory have an "autojoin" macro , though some in the minority use targetting macros to automatically issue invites and some have an invite list they loop in their macro.
Technically anyone who is novice dancer/musician or higher and running an "autojoin" macro is a buffbot, because someone can come by, invite, buff and disband.
Kraftomatic
Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:21 am
#6
I still can't believe Sony has allowed a whole profession to be played AFK. Probably every other game out there does not allow that.
kirah_ashlin
Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:20 pm
#7
Kraftomatic wrote:
I still can't believe Sony has allowed a whole profession to be played AFK. Probably every other game out there does not allow that.
Blizzard doesn't . . . they announced the cancelation of over 300 WoW accounts the other day for AFK botting.
Naish
Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:07 am
#8
I read that, im a buff botter btw. The difference is that the guys doing that on WOW are using active x tools like ghostmouse or other 3rd party tools to cheat. In Galaxies everything is done using in game tools like macros and aliases.
Not saying that buff bots are right, just pointing out a difference.
Not saying that buff bots are right, just pointing out a difference.
Dreamland
Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:07 am
#9
kirah_ashlin wrote:
Kraftomatic wrote:
I still can't believe Sony has allowed a whole profession to be played AFK. Probably every other game out there does not allow that.
Blizzard doesn't . . . they announced the cancelation of over 300 WoW accounts the other day for AFK botting.
Blizzard does not have any in game support either, so the 300 botters were most likely using 3rd party apps. I play WoW and you cant do much at all with the macro system it has. I don't think you can even run more than one command in a WoW macro much less loop it.
Groovymarlin
Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:36 am
#10
Actually WoW's macro system is very powerful, but it's not easily accessible like SWG's. It uses a scripting language and if you understand how to use it, it can be very useful and you can do a lot of cool things. However, even with that power, it is impossible to put pauses of any kind into macros in WoW, and that's why you basically can't automate an AFK character with it.
At least that's my take on it from playing WoW and reading about the in-game macro system on their UI Customization forums.
At least that's my take on it from playing WoW and reading about the in-game macro system on their UI Customization forums.
Broom
Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:50 am
#11
I get so tired with all thecomplaining about buff bots. One of my toons is both live entertainer and buff bot, depending on the time of day. And what is wrong with that? Should my entire guild suffer because I am a European playing a US server, and essentially don't play after 8 PM EST? Or because I have fighter and crafter toons I want to play too?
I agree 100% that entertainers, like most crafting professions and smuggler and SL, have have gotten a bad deal, whether because the profession is totally broken, or because there is too little content or because of massive changes in the game. Dancer and Musician were partly the victim of the holo-craze, sure, but that is not the reason bots appeared. I think that leads back to the introduction of player cities. In my own experience, entertaining live in NPC cantina's is fun and brings in a lot of money, because a LOT of players preferATK entertainers there, including the PVPers. Entertaining live in a player city cantina is only fun inthe busy times, otherwise it is dead boring.There are not that many entertainers who are willing to play cantina's there, people, like it or not, there is no money to be made there. Entertainers, live or bot, are however an essential part of keeping a player city a living community. And as a fighter, who is overt 100% of the time, I really really like not having to go to a NPC cantina, with the attendant risk of getting ganked before ever getting buffed (and no, I am not a jedi, just a crazy reb).
Incidentally, when I am ATK, I use my entertainer macros too. I prefer to spend my time chatting over having to press keys every few seconds. I can promise you is is going to bite BAD if they ever remove recursive macros.
Aheh
Master Dancer, Master Musician, Master Entertainer, Novice ID
DeathsEgo
Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:56 am
#12
Well then its going to bite bad for you, they ARE removing recursive macros, get used to it.
Broom
Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:03 am
#13
Long live short-sightedness. I can virtually promise you this will not just be the end ofthe buff bots, it will also be the end of live entertainers. And of any new crafters, I am fairly sure. The recursive macros we (I also have a master architect toon) use, is one of the few things that keep us from going totally insane while grinding our professions. And since this is a master based-economy (meaning only masters can make stuff anyone would want, mostly due to a large chunk of experimentation and assembly being in that box), EVERYONE grinds. Oh, and recursive macro's for crafters just mean crafting goes faster, you have to be ATK to actually add the resources.
Linna / Aheh
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