Dancer Archive
Thread: SIT DOWN DAY!
Im a Master Dancer on Starstider, working out of Theed, on Naboo. What I would like to propose is a national Galaxy-wide SIT DOWN DAY. What this will do on all servers is to basically STOP all entertaining, in ALL cantinas on a certain day, and time. Even if this is done all day, or only for a few hours, it would really make a statement to both the devs and the game players who don't tip.
I for one, would gladly sign on all day, and SIT in the cantina and just TALK, not dance, just talk. No entertainers performing for the WHOLE day. It would really be a true way to "get back" and probably let our concearns about the Dancer profession be seen and heard.
I spend WEEKS training for Master Dancer, now Im having to divvy up points and Im running out of ones to use for Combat. Im now going over to Corellia and shooting up Vrelts with my handy pistol, but I didn't want to exclusivly run missions for credits. I personally love the social aspects of the game, but I hate being shoehorned into running mission every time I play the game just for God-awful lousey credits.
If anyone would like to plan the GALAXY-WIDE SIT DOWN DAY, please email me here, or in-game.
Victoria-theWhiteCat, Starstrider Galaxy, Naboo, Theed Cantina my coordinates.
See you at the SIT DOWN DAY!
Victoria-theWhiteCat
I'm definitely interested. We have to do something in order to get the developers moving on fixing the dancer issues. This should take place on a weekend in order to be most effective.
Punishing your fellow players for the lack of attention from the Developers, as well as the rudeness of certain individuals, will not help your cause at all.
If anything it will only serve to instill more dislike to your profession from those of us who have always tipped and treated you with respect.
Beery wrote:
I would think that those who do respect us would sympathise with our plight and support us in our push to get the profession fixed. Those who are unwilling to support us cannot really respect us. If you're giving me money despite your disrespect, I don't need your pity or your charity.
I support your need for attention from the Devs. I support your wish for a more useful role in combat. I support your need for payment for services rendered.
But I will NEVER support any form of organized 'walk-out' which punishes the community as a whole, wether it is done by Entertainers or Doctors. I've always been against it, and always will be.
If you think that means I don't respect you, then I'm sorry for your misunderstanding.
"But I will NEVER support any form of organized 'walk-out' which punishes the community as a whole..."
If you think that inaction 'punishes' the entire community, I'm afraid you have a persecution complex. I suppose you'd argue that my taking a two-week vacation and not playing the game for 14 days was a 'punishment' aimed at the SWG community. Get real!
Many of us dancers feel weare being abusedby the vast majority of SWG players. If you can't see the reality of that, and if you can't understand that one day of strike action is merely a statement and not an attack (or 'punishment'), then you don't understand our situation, and you can hardly respect our position.
Doubt if this would work.
People would just log in an AFK Dancing Bot, set the macro running and get a heap of Ent Heal XP. This would only reinforce some peoples view that entertaining is useless/worthless that could be done by a bot, not a player.
If you can't reason out the downside to any form of organized strike, then by all means go forward with it. You'll just be the one dealing with the consequences.
Sony KNOWS about our plight. There have been threads started by THEM to look for solutions. They are not blind to the issues, they simply are trying to do too many things at once. There are also professions out there far more broken than ours that still are not fixed. We're not alone in our pain.
Staging a "sit-in" isn't going to change developer priorities. It's not going to educate them about our issues any more than our correspondent has already done. As someone pointed out, the AFK bots probably aren't going to obey a sit-in, so people will simply watch them and still get healing.
While I approve of the passion you obviously have and the desire to make our profession better, which we all share, I do not believe a sit-in will have any positive effect, and might even have a negative effect as others have pointed out.
- J
"Sony KNOWS about our plight."
If that's the case, they'd be DOING SOMETHING about it, rather than spending all oftheir timechanging bodysuits from PG-13 toG -rated.
I'm certain they ARE doing something about it, but we won't see any major changes until the next "big patch". They're not going to inject a hot fix that changes our mind buffs to be targetted, for example, that's something that takes testing and time to implement.
We'd all like to see these changes happen this week, but we need to be realistic.
I'm not sure what they have planned for us, but I'm reasonably sure that going on strike isn't going to make those changes come any faster.
You're welcome to go on strike if you think differently.
- J
I can understand your concerns, but I feel it would be wrong to participate in the cantinas that I usually perform within, since my customers have supported me.
Victoria-theWhiteCat wrote:
See you at the SIT DOWN DAY!
Last I heard, the infamous strike on Naritus didn't pay off:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=entertainer&message.id=2868&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
Pretty much, a strike won't work.
- Not everyone on the game reads this message.
- AFKers will continue to dance (and will never see the memo).
- Loyal dancers will dance for their favored fans who never wronged them.
- Compassionate dancers will dance for people needing it.
- A nonentertainer would just spend the 15 skill points and 100 credits to get around the strike.
If you can prevent all five of those from happening, then I can see the strike being effective. As you cannot stop all five possibilities (as well as anything I didn't think of), you're better off with education. As you leave the cantina to go hunting (even if you don't hunt, pretend you do and fly to another town to dance), tell the audience, "Well, it was fun, but I have to earn some income to pay the bills." Do this as you know some people need healing. It helps if you're the only dancer or the most skilled dancer.
I also try to educate people about the mind buffs. I say, "I'm going to stop dancing and rest my feet. Be sure to stop watching first so you can get the mind buff." I say that because I hear the buff doesn't take effect if the dancer stopped before the watcher leaves. And besides, when I say that, someone usually pipes up, "Mind buff?"
And I remind people to tip without asking them to tip. Even if I received no money for the past hour, I may quip with, "Thanks for the heals and tips." As long as there are at least four people around me, I feel safe that no one is going to realize what I'm doing. It reminds people that tips are handy.
I'd rather see a positive approach in getting people to tip. I don't see the strike as being positive. It's also impossible because of the reasons I outlined. Those who are sympathetic to Entertainers already tip, so I don't want to punish them. Those who hate Entertainers will only use this to fuel their hatred even more, and they still won't tip.