Dancer Archive

Recently, a thread that was started as a joke degenerated into a flame-fest and was locked before many of us had a chance to thoughtfully way in on the more relevant points involved.

Dancers have great opportunities and also great responsibilities. While I do think that the overtly sexual dancers and those looking for actual sexual encounters are distasteful, the fact is they are allowed to exist and conduct their own behaviour. We (as Dancers)only get treated how we allow ourselves to be treated. If you dance the exotic dances, flirt, and wear revealing clothing, you can expect to be accosted from time to time. You are not as likely to be accosted if you select a less "human" species, wear elegant clothing, dance the lyrical dances, and use the /ignore feature, /deny and the language filter.

For those posters who suggest that this is a family game, you really need to check yourself. This is NOT a family game. This game was rated TEEN for the totality of it's content prior to it's release. That means the locations, quests, items and classes, etc. were not overly adult in nature. However, once you populate the servers with adults and older teens, you are raising the age level of the game to a great degree. Frankly, any parent who allows their child to hang out in a tavern, even a virtual one, is derelect in their duty. For that parent to come into the forum andcriticize others for their behaviour in a setting that is for adults only, citing the fact that teenagers may be present, is foolish and illogical.

The only thing I want to point out is that the thread was closed because the forums are family friendly. The game is rated Teen which means bascially (for Americans) content that is PG-13. However the content posted on the boards needs to be family friendly as per policy.

You have a point there... but some of the adults really do get into the role-playing and can tend to become sexually suggestive. Again, I tend to agree with the majority when it comes to that kind of thing. But it happens, and as adults in an adult setting (a virtual cantina), they are allowed to act that way should they wish. What I am taking exception to is those forum members who mistakenly see this game as a family game, and wish to restrict patrons in the cantinas to "family" appropriate behaviour. This was stated explicitly by a previous poster (not referring to CSR comments) and tacitly supported by others. I don't think that kind of concept has any merit. If you choose to let your children play the game,and you want to limit their exposure to adult content, perhaps you should steer them clear of cantinas. But then I have to wonder why you let your kids equip themselves with weapons and go kill other players...

Imho, anything not explicitly graphic is ok for a teen rated game. Sexually suggestive comments, heavy flirting, double-entendres, euphemisms etc. are all not inappropriate for SWG spatial chat.

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Jeassa wrote:

The only thing I want to point out is that the thread was closed because the forums are family friendly. The game is rated Teen which means bascially (for Americans) content that is PG-13. However the content posted on the boards needs to be family friendly as per policy.

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buh buh, ooo and Tarq > all

i've got a question... how come some dirty language isn't "family friendly" but, millions and millions of murders is just good clean family fun? isn't there something wrong with that?

Superkind

"isn't there something wrong with that?"

Yes, there is.

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Bulbous2 wrote:

Dancers have great opportunities and also great responsibilities. While I do think that the overtly sexual dancers and those looking for actual sexual encounters are distasteful, the fact is they are allowed to exist and conduct their own behaviour. We (as Dancers)only get treated how we allow ourselves to be treated. If you dance the exotic dances, flirt, and wear revealing clothing, you can expect to be accosted from time to time. You are not as likely to be accosted if you select a less "human" species, wear elegant clothing, dance the lyrical dances, and use the /ignore feature, /deny and the language filter.

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Bulbous I am not sure how familiar you are with the dancing profession, but the exotic dances are the highest level dances, therefore that's what I use. When mind buffing, I use exotic 4 exclusively as it is the highest dance and seems to give the best buff. It also heals the fastest.

Why wouldwe as dancers not use what servesus best?

I always get a "hoot" out of these types of discussions. Cantinas, dancers, and musicians are the "fluff" of this game. The main activities involved in playing this game are war, guns, knives, illicit drug use, killing creatures and killing other people. Yeah, that's appropriate for my kid.

So, given that we have drug dealersand murderers running around, what harm is a little sexuality? I am in no way suggesting we should all be running around naked and "role playing" sexual relationships. I just find it amusing that guns, drugs, and murder (not to mention fleshwraps) are of no concern but a humorous discussion on more naturally moving body parts raises a red flag.

one thing i have noticed over the years is that the american rating system is lax when it comes to violence, but the canadian one is lax when it comes to language and sexuality.

for example with the wwf (i know its wwe, but i still call it the wwf) on spike tv i can watch raw and see all the violence with the chairs and all that, but hear a bleep or something to the idea of a bleep when they swear. but on tsn which is a canadian channel the camera panns to the audience when the violence gets overly violent, but i can watch it without hearing bleep, bleep, or middle fingers that arent fuzzed out.

but as far as i can tell PG-13 in canada could be ratedR in the US.

look at the movie Queen of the Damned which is a rendition of a novel by Anne Rice, it is rated R for the american rating, yet 14-A in the canadian rating system. or the spiderman movie, the american rating is PG-13 with the note parents strongly cautioned, yet the canadain rating is just plain old PG (parentaly guidance suggested) just as a couple of examples.

i know all of what i said has nothing to do with the whole topic of the thread but i just figured i would put down my observations. i'm not saying that us canadians are contribuiting to it, everybody in some small way is.

but now going on to the topic, popular music of all forms, television, and movies, are all contrubiting to the whole "sexual content, and double entandra, ect" sofrom real life infulences that some of these kids are hearing/seeing every day, rubs off into their mind, and they imitate the said infulences, by acting what is deemed explicit by some people, in game, or in other ways.

what i said in the above statements has nothing much to do with this, i just figured i would clarify the different rating systyems that different people can view as their own. like something that would disgust, disturb, deem explicit, ect, is more lax than the general ammount of people. which is what i was sayig with the different rating system, i was using it as a metaphor.

I think there's certainly a double-standard when it comes to sex and violence in mainstream american culture.Movies that are 110 minutes of almost nonstop explosions, gunfights,or kung-fu beatings are now given PG-13 ratings. Moves that showa woman'snude body are almost always rated R or NC17... even if it is "brief." And movies that show nude men are,as far as I'm aware, nonexistent outside of art-house theatres that only show indie and european movies, orthe "special interest" direct-to-dvd market

Interestingly enough, movies that show scantily dressed, but still dressed,women will almost always get PG or PG-13 ratings, even if said women are "bouncing all over" as it were. And that sort of thing is also fine to show on network TV (along with network TV shows chock full of violence). So obviouslysociety considers some level ofsexuality acceptable in general publicentertainment.

Where the line is drawn is another question, because it tends to be a personal decision for each person... and something that changes over time even to the person in question, too.

But we're in the context of an online computer game, which is an odd mix of entertainment form and a miniature society itself. So we can't limit the discussion to what is or isn't in good taste as entertainment... we also have to discuss what is acceptable in a public society, especially given that the society is heavily influenced by intelligent and purposeful designers (ie, the devs).

And that's where I'd say the real argument against 'anatomically correct full nudity' and 'realistic application of the laws of physics to avatar's bodies' lies. No matter what you think is acceptable as entertainment... most people would agree that intentionally designing that overtly sexualized a game would heavily contribute to a game society with very low sexual standards.

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Iraea wrote:

And that's where I'd say the real argument against 'anatomically correct full nudity' and 'realistic application of the laws of physics to avatar's bodies' lies. No matter what you think is acceptable as entertainment... most people would agree that intentionally designing that overtly sexualized a game would heavily contribute to a game society with very low sexual standards.

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I fully agree. What confuses me though is American acceptance of violence in our entertainment. I certainly hope that my stepson will not grow up and kill people. Conversely, I do hope he grows up to have a healthy sex life. I hope he never sees war but I do hope he finds an anatomically correct partner. But, as a society, we show our children examples of what we do not want them to be or do and shield them for as long as possible from sexuality, all along wanting them to find healthy, fulfilling relationships as adults. No wonder our prisons are full.

That said, I still don't want to see overtly sexual messages presented to children. Unfortunately, the presentation of using drugs and shooting people is so popular, so expected, you cannot make a film or create a game without them.