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Thread: why do you charge so much for buffs, it cost you nothing to buff...

Blamj
Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:59 pm
#1

Hmmm people keep on saying this to me.


Well lets go over the points


-I have to buy food to boost my action because the Devs gave Twi'leks low stamina [X]

-I need money as it's my only income provider (This is the same additude for all crafting professions) [X]

-I have to be able to afford Mind enhancement skill tapes so I can buff better [X]

-I need a valid reason to keep the profession besides for social means [X]

-I should be able to buy my own house and start my own Pa [X]


Why do some people think buffs cost nothing to the dancer? so what they don't require any metals but I need to be able to buy skilltapes and such
FuschiaD
Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:14 pm
#2

I hate getting this question, whether as an ID or as a dancer. I simply reply with: "You are paying me because I am providing a service, and in this economy, services are not free. To put it bluntly, pal... fork over, or find someone else."


It usually gets them to shut up and tip me. If not, I don't want their business anyway.




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Kershakk
Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:32 pm
#3






Blamj wrote:

Hmmm people keep on saying this to me.


Well lets go over the points


-I have to buy food to boost my action because the Devs gave Twi'leks low stamina [X]

-I need money as it's my only income provider (This is the same additude for all crafting professions) [X]

-I have to be able to afford Mind enhancement skill tapes so I can buff better [X]

-I need a valid reason to keep the profession besides for social means [X]

-I should be able to buy my own house and start my own Pa [X]


Why do some people think buffs cost nothing to the dancer? so what they don't require any metals but I need to be able to buy skilltapes and such





Because people with narrow minds don't seem to understand the concept of the fact skill pointsis a 'cost'. You've invested your skill points that you could have used elsewhere to dance for these people. That IS a cost. Fools may argue that was your decision but so's a career choice in real life - would these people thusly work for free?


Pappi
Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:47 am
#4



Kershakk wrote:


Blamj wrote:
Hmmm people keep on saying this to me.
Well lets go over the points
-I have to buy food to boost my action because the Devs gave Twi'leks low stamina [X]
-I need money as it's my only income provider (This is the same additude for all crafting professions) [X]
-I have to be able to afford Mind enhancement skill tapes so I can buff better [X]
-I need a valid reason to keep the profession besides for social means [X]
-I should be able to buy my own house and start my own Pa [X]
Why do some people think buffs cost nothing to the dancer? so what they don't require any metals but I need to be able to buy skilltapes and such


Because people with narrow minds don't seem to understand the concept of the fact skill pointsis a 'cost'. You've invested your skill points that you could have used elsewhere to dance for these people. That IS a cost. Fools may argue that was your decision but so's a career choice in real life - would these people thusly work for free?




they're the same people that tell you "geesh it's just a game gimme free stuff." they make no sense, yet they think they do. just ignore them? else tell them that time is money, and they're using up your time.




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jodocow
Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:23 am
#5

I had a guy do this to me the other day. And then he said well other people do it for free. I just told him the same thing that basically the time I'm spending buffing him I could be out running missions and such so I charge for my time. He then said I was taking advantage of a newb by charging him so much and he didnt like it when I told him I was actually charging him less.

He quickly went on my ignore list what a dumbass.
DarthJema
Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:12 am
#6

I've always felt like entertainers have gotten the short end of the stick. I don't think some people understand time equals money, like an above poster said. I always make sure to tip entertainers a good amount for even healing my mind wounds and battle fatigue, and make sure to give them a extra good tip for the mind buff. Mind and its secondary pools are so essential to gameplay, and it is ... awkward that some people feel they should be able to get them for free.
Blamj
Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:15 pm
#7

It's the fact that Hardcore gamers look down upon us, dancer is a great casual profession, once you achevied master that is. Mastering the profession it self is around 200 hours. The longest out of most professions but it's easy due to release of macros 2 months after the game was released.
Elhana
Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:22 pm
#8

Try grabbing the first grouped combat person you see walk by and ask them to roleplay being your bodyguard for 10 minutes. No combat just them wandering around with you looking hard.


Then try and tell them that you're not going to pay them for their time because it's not costing them anything, surely every one you ask will oblige, for free, on that basis.





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Drygo
Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:44 pm
#9

I wish I could give more "hard numbers" on this, but this is how I look at it. It truly is all about the time.


Yes, doctors use resources. But, you have to consider that in an hour, a doctor almost *always* (have you seen the lines) sells around 20-30 buffs. On the low end, at 20 buffs at 10K a piece, we're looking at a gross of 200K. Now, if you take away the price of resources...(I honestly don't know what that is...maybe someone can clue me in, but let's say it's half), then we're talking about a net profit of 100K per hour. And, honestly, I think I'm being generous here and that it's probably much, much more.


Now, let's take the dancer, who, yes can buff 19 people at a time, but I have honestly never had more than 4 people at a time unless it's a freebie guild buff, in which case I'm making nothing. And, even the 4 people at a time is quite rare. I'd say the most people I have ever buffed in an hour was 15. Now, if I'm charging 5k per buff, that gives me a net of 75K an hour, and that's on a *good* night and extremely rare. It also doesn't take into account the time I spend waiting in line and the cost of a doctor buff, or all of the accaragm I consume which often costs over 100K a crate these days.


We're entitled to make a living just like everyone else is. We're entitled to own a home and pay maintenance on it. We're entitled to buy vehicles, food, clothing, armor, and weapons. And, we're entitled to be tired on any given night, but still travel (or wait around-because I've done a lot of waiting around for customers), which costs money, to give someonea buff.


If not, then why do it in the first place? You surely don't expect me to go around giving away buffs for virtually nothing out of the kindness of my heart, do you? HAHAHAHAHAHA





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JediJakL
Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:38 am
#10

You all ought to aggree on a price and enforce it server(s) wide. I dont mind paying for services.
PoetDancer
Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:51 am
#11

The trick is not to make them feel as if they have to tip you. The trick is to make them want to tip you. And its getting harder and harder to do this, I agree, but it can still be done.


So here's my advice. I say buff him, and if he doesn't tip, put him in your friends list with his PA tags. Make a note of it. Don't make a big thing out of it, just mark it off and move on to the next customer. Then you'll have a record of who tips you and not, and which PAs are good to you and not. Then, do what comes naturally. Go out of your way to help the individuals and PAs that help you. Throw out the names of their crafters and their people when talking to your patrons. If someone inquires about the fella or PA that didn't "show their appreciation," tell them the truth. They are freeloaders and inconsiderate.


There is a saying on the Bria boards: "RESPECT." And this not only applies to, how do they say, "uber1337pwnerz," but to you too. Respect your patrons, and respect your abilities. If you give it your all in a performance buff, there should be no reason for them not to tip you, other than they do not respect you. But rather than sink to their level sending nasty /tells to them directly, just rise above it, go on to the next customer, and tell the truth the next time someone inquires about which PA to join, or who to buy from.



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Brasticus
Thu Jun 10, 2004 8:58 am
#12






Blamj wrote:

Hmmm people keep on saying this to me.


Well lets go over the points


-I have to buy food to boost my action because the Devs gave Twi'leks low stamina [X]

-I need money as it's my only income provider (This is the same additude for all crafting professions) [X]

-I have to be able to afford Mind enhancement skill tapes so I can buff better [X]

-I need a valid reason to keep the profession besides for social means [X]

-I should be able to buy my own house and start my own Pa [X]


Why do some people think buffs cost nothing to the dancer? so what they don't require any metals but I need to be able to buy skilltapes and such






Here's a fun scenario:


Once achieving Jedi is switched from grinding to quest-based, there will be far fewer entertainers out there. No longer will there be people AFK dancing or playing music. It will be like launch when people were trying everything, then suddenly, there was a distinct lack of entertainers.


As for right now? Well, let's just look at how valuable we really are as a player resource. Combat professions invariably suffer battle-fatigue, we can enhance a players mind (doubling it), we can enhance the secondaries (doubling them) and both last for 2hrs. Without our abilities, battle-fatigue just keeps growing andenhancements do NOT happen. We have the power to affect a players gaming experience. You can always deny someone your services.


The trouble we have is that there are a zillion people AFK who can take care of this, especially in high traffic areas like Coronet or Theed. Once the grinding stops, I predict that there will be far fewer loitering around in the cantinas, and those that are there will be live.


I find that most people have a difficult time not tipping a live player. It's much more difficult to stiff someone when you've been talking to them for the past 5-10 minutes as your wounds/fatigue are healed. A good entertainer always knows who's watching or listening tohim/her. There's a tell-tale "whipping" of the head as they lock on.


As a Master Entertainer / Master Dancer / Master Musician, I find people tip me well. I also command the same price as most doctors for a "full set" of buffs. 10k. Most people don't seem to upset by that. Bah... I ramble.


Eliz A-lo
kirah_ashlin
Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:02 am
#13

I have never once had anyone ask me to justify tipping me for a buff . . . I guess I should consider myself fortunate. I've been stiffed before, yes, but never in such a rude, condesending manner.
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