Dancer Archive
Thread: My own little protest...
1~ Refuse to teach anyone unless you know for a fact they are not an afk macroer that means if you dont know em dont teach em let them pay for teaching or wait for one of there ranks to actually be on and teach them and good luck with that.
2~ Don't group with them grouping with them gives them more xp especially if your a master in cantinas start your own non afk non macro groups.
3~ ask the people who come into the cantina not to heal tip or watch afk macroers. let them sit there butts down and wait for there action to heal.
these are just some of the things i do if you have any more ideas post em here. and for all you afkers who say if you dont like it dance in a player cantina why dont you you go macro away in your own home or player cantina and as to the question how do you then get ent heal xp thats not my problem I cannot afk macro my way thru pikeman to get jedi you should not be able to afk macro your way thru ent to get jedi.
Fainora sarrasri master dancer master image designer pikeman scout kauri
We can all afford to pay for our own training.
There are more of us then you. We don't have to group with you.
Most people would rather watch us to get healed because..
a) They don't have to tip us.
b) they don't have to listen to your incessent blabing.
Get over yourself woman.
Don't blame us. Blame the Dev's for thier lack of vision and the wacked out way we have to go about obtaining our FS slots.
I subscribe to the theory that you're responsible for your own behavior. Certainly the devs are responsible for the worst game decision in the history of online games, but that does not fly as an excuse for inappropriate behavior on the part of the players.
- J
Fainora, for all the wrong reasons, Oskori is right. The combat-monkeys have never liked or respected the social professions.
Oskori, that doesn't make you any less of an asshat for posting in the forum of a profession you don't practice, don't like, and don't want any part of, just to insult those of us that do. I suppose I could jump over to YOUR profession forum to insult you guys, but then I'd have to ask what week it is, wouldn't I? Your signature says it all with regard to your character concept.
what might help is if we organized something here on the forums. if we really wanted to put our money where our mouth is, we'd all get together, make a petition up with all our names (real names), and then all cancel our accounts on the same day, as a display of our dissatisfaction. somehow, i doubt there is enough people willing to actually go through with it though
C
Okay, here's Madame Sirii Ajaan'stake on the fine art of being nasty:
I tend to play it by ear. Most players on my server (despite claims to the contrary) PREFER a dancer who talks as compared to a dancer that doesn't. After all, dancers can talk about a LOT of things, like what PAs have been around, who is running around overt, what resources are good on the planet, etc. If players make a habit of looking at the AFKer in the corner over me, I know that they and their PA are probibly freeloaders anyway (and I tell my friends and clients such). If you come in to my cantina and are overt, and you don't "tip the hostess," like a nice boy, I send out a few /tells to my fans....and I have MANY fans from BOTH sides
. Player events tend to increase these fan lists, as well as a few kind words every now and then when they sit at my table. Want to REALLY know how to tick AFKers off? Go to the grind capital and do not group with them. Then, when players enter, say "Hello <so and so>, hard day?" Let the AFKers WORK for attention just like we do. They simply cannot compete with that.
Now, as far as training is concerned, I may train some grinder in Dancing III, or Wound Healing II, but I will NEVER bestow a Master title on any dancer I do not know. To me, I want the phrase "Madame Ajaan gave me my Masters Degree," to mean something, just as it meant a lot to me that one of the most prominent dancers on my server gave me mine. That can ONLY happen if I only train serious dancers, and not every Moff, Mick, or Mary who has enough AP.
The way I handle AFK entertainers is similar to PoetDancer.
As soon as customers come in, I try to engage them in conversation, or at the very least simply say hello to them. I have yet to find a customer who would rather watch an afk entertainer than watch me. Don't make yourself look bad because someone else chooses to play the game differently.
I just group with the entertainers who are playing their profession for enjoyment, and do my job.
Faellyn wrote:
Fainora, for all the wrong reasons, Oskori is right. The combat-monkeys have never liked or respected the social professions.
Oskori, that doesn't make you any less of an asshat for posting in the forum of a profession you don't practice, don't like, and don't want any part of, just to insult those of us that do. I suppose I could jump over to YOUR profession forum to insult you guys, but then I'd have to ask what week it is, wouldn't I? Your signature says it all with regard to your character concept.
Excuse me. You don't know me and can't speak for me. What exactly does my signature tell you?
As a matter of a fact I am a Master Entertainer, and close to Master Dancer. As a matter of a fact I rather enjoy the profession. So just get off your high horse. kthks
Yes. You'd be right if you thought I was only doing it for the Holo grind. That hasn't stopped me from enjoying it and meeting some really nice people. I do afterall pay for this game and intend to enjoy it to the fullest even if that means grinding out professions. There's no reason I can't enjoy that as well, and I do.
My point is that because of the way the developers choose to implement the Jedi profession there are alot of people in the game grinding a profession out they they normally wouldn't. I don't like it any better then you dobut I think there is a place for all of us. We have to get XP too, and as it turns out Cantina's are the place to go for that.
I'd say to you that you had better learn how to get along with us or maybe think about changing your profession or evenquitting altogether. Until the time that the developers see fit to fix this insanity, we are here to stay. Organizing boycotts and foolishness like that isn't going to do anything but stir up even more trouble and cause even more hard feelings. If you truely want a change it's the Dev's you need to talk to. Don't take it out on us because we have a right to play this game as we want to just as much as you do.
Yes so im supposed to give up a profession ive had since the first week of the game because of people like you who as soon as you master it will give it up and move on to the next in your quest to be uber. you wanna macro cheat your way thru entertainer proffesions fine then give me a way to macro cheat thru combat proffesion in a week. and no i dont have to learn how to get along with you why should i macroers have been nothing but mean rude and inconsiderate to hte point of sending me very illicit tells when i refuse to teach them so im supposed to get along with you people i dont think so. you wanna macro do it in a back corner in a side aclove in your home or player city cantina dont go into the regular cantinas crowd the center of the place go to sleep or school or whatever it is you do leaving your shell there screaming for tips and heals and cheers.
FYI, and mind you this isn't a flame, but there are macros for combat professions that will let you get xp and not be at your machine, but that is neither here nor there.
I am trying to find out where this hatred for the AFK Macro Entertainers is coming from? Nearly every entertainer that I have talked to has their macros setup. That includes the ones who are at their keyboards while doing it. I understand disliking the ones who beg (in a macro) for heals, tips, cheers, etc... but not the ones who are just trying to get some xp. I can't stand people who ask for tips to begin with. A tip is a gratuity, not something mandated by any law. If I give a tip it is out of my own good will, not because of some requirement. A lot of people will argue with me about this, or call me cheap, but those that know me are aware that I am far from cheap. I tip, and I tip very well, because I am generous to those that help me. However if I see a person asking for tips, I will go to someone else and tip them instead. This of course is not the purpose of this thread.
This is about a resentment against the people who are trying to achieve a goal that they have set for themselves. There is one way to go about this goal, and if it means that crossing paths with the profession that you do and enjoy, then that is what they will do to achieve their goal. There is no need for this resentment, and it, since the beginning of this game, is one that I don't understand. They don't need to AFK macro the profession, though they do need to do it. It is a steady stream of Apprenticeship Points for you and the new people in the profession, including the ones who plan on keeping it. It is also a way to meet new people and possibly have some fun. If you are rude to the people, then they have no incentive to sit at the keyboard while their character macros, and they will despise the profession, putting the "real" entertainers in the category of rude or anti-social. Give these people a reason to be at their keyboard. Have fun with them, talk to them, and be enjoyable. It will at least give them some enjoyment on the long and boring grind to making Jedi. You got intoa service profession because you had a desire to help people and be social (generally speaking), but this is not what you are doing. Help them out, and give them a smile. Most of the people going for Jedi are in an incredibly drawn out, hard, and boring quest to get there. Their pains are equal to or greater than the annoyance of the entertainer that has to put up with an AFK Macro entertainer that is taking up space in the cantina for a week. Try to see things from both side of the street.
A number of things could be done to avoid the problem that you are having without being mean or nasty about it.
1. If you have a new person in the cantina that wants in your group, ask them if they are gonna afk. If they are then tell them if room is needed in the group, the afk people are the first to go. If you have room in the group then reinvite them. If their macro doesn't have a /join in it then it is their loss. This way you can help, but not take away from the people who are actually at their keyboards and want in the group.
2. Tell them that if they are gonna be afk not to ask for tips, heals, cheers, etc... If they do, then kick them out of the group. It gives them the opportunity again, to at least do it nicely.
3. If they need training, then make the best of it. Don't tell them that they need to go pay for it. This is useless. Most of the Jedi grinders have lots of money from their grinds, so it is no skin off of their teeth to do. Rather than that, take advantage of it, by letting one of the entertainers at the keyboard get some Apprenticeship Points. It only benefits you and the people that you entertain with.
4. Let them be in the group. The more people in the group, the better the xp for all, including the new entertainers that are at their keyboard, and enjoying the profession. Again, it doesn't hurt anyone, but it will help many, including the AFK person that you obviously can't stand. Helping them, gets them out of there all that much faster. If they are rude, jerks, or whatever, then don't invite them.
I am personally now working on Entertainer/Dancer to try and fulfill my goal. I have earned ever single point of experience from playing at my keyboard diligently, and with a great amount of work, time, and energy. I have found a way to make the best of every profession that I have learned, and will take the knowledge with me. I do go AFK, and I do run a macro to do my dancing and flourishes, not all of the time mind you, but I do utilize these tools from time to time. I do not ask for tips, and I specifically ask that I be kicked out of the group if I am AFK and room is needed in the group. I don't expect a free ride, but I will say that it is a welcome break from the dull grind ofprofessions that I have been doing for the past couple of months (Medic, Combat Medic, Carbineer, Swordsman, Marksman, Artisan, Architect). This obviously seems bad to you. It looks, to you, like a lack of dedication to a profession because I am picking up and throwing away professions left and right. It however could not be more untrue. It is done because I am dedicated to achieving the Force Sensitive Character Slot. Think of the professions as skill boxes in one main mastery rather than individual professions because that is what it really boils down to.
You did your thing to achieve your goals. Those of us in my position are doing our thing to achieve our goals. You and I both want to succeed in our task. So rather than bicker about it, we can work together to help each other achieve our goals.
"Most of the people going for Jedi are in an incredibly drawn out, hard, and boring quest to get there."
Please let me rephrase that. It is a long, and often difficult path, and there are parts of it that are boring, which is a given. I haven't done enough entertaining to say that it is boring, nor am I knocking the profession.It in the end is worth the accomplishment in the long run, despite parts of it that I dislike.
I am not trolling here, I am just trying to give some insight onto our side of this argument, and I do understand much of your side (your referring to those of you that do not like the AFKers).
I don't mean to be obtuse by pointing you to other threads, but I also don't wish to reiterate here what others have already so eloquently stated elsewhere.
- J