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Thread: xp (while inspired) bug and (semi) work around

Esharra
Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:39 am
#1

I /bugged this last night on Tempest and Starsider. Please post here if you see anything different about this. Btw..I and others I spoke with were receiving a 10% bonus on live.


Bug: Dancers are unable to receive xp bonus while performing after receiving an inspiration buff.


Details: While giving an inspiration buff (or receiving one from their own performance), dancers are not receiving the dance xp bonus for performing under the influence of an inspiration buff (unless they type /stopwatch after someone else starts watching them). They are not, under any conditions, able to receive the bonus for entertainer healing xp.


Workaround (not included in my bug report): If the dancer is performing outside of a cantina (or other structure where heal xp can be gained) or types /stopwatch self, they are able to receive the bonus for dance xp only.



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deadpuppy
Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:38 pm
#2

I was grinding and had an isp buff. the combat text window said i had gotten xp, but the monitor wasnt showing the xp bonus.

ex. if i killed a animal that gave 100xp the combat window would say 110 xp. but the xp monitor only showed 100

reported, but thought i'd mention it here too.
Esharra
Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:51 pm
#3

Thanks! I really appreciate the info!



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Tralmek
Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:29 pm
#4

From what I've observed, it looks like there may be a bonus to healing xp after you /stopwatch or /stoplisten to yourself. However, I'm not sure...I'll take another look at it tomorrow night when I'm on and see if I can be more specific for you.


The thing is, I'm getting 4 bits of system spam for every tic, two correspond with my healing and regular xp, the other two fluctuate, but average about 10% of the others. Unfortunately, all are labeled as "xp %TT" or some such, so I don't really know what type of xp they represent. I'll need to check my skill page to know for sure....






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Seahawker
Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:34 pm
#5

after i've been on for awhile(1-2 hrs dancing) i startto get a bonus to both dance and healing xp. this only happened after the CU first went live and i haven't been able to repeat it. this was also done without using the /stopwatch self command. i've seen this happen to a few of my party members also(though they were afk) and would like to know how/what i did to get it going



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Esharra
Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:31 am
#6






Tralmek wrote:

From what I've observed, it looks like there may be a bonus to healing xp after you /stopwatch or /stoplisten to yourself. However, I'm not sure...I'll take another look at it tomorrow night when I'm on and see if I can be more specific for you.


The thing is, I'm getting 4 bits of system spam for every tic, two correspond with my healing and regular xp, the other two fluctuate, but average about 10% of the others. Unfortunately, all are labeled as "xp %TT" or some such, so I don't really know what type of xp they represent. I'll need to check my skill page to know for sure....







Yup..this has been pretty repeatable for me but there do seem to be a few problems that I'm still trying to quantify.


And yes..one of those is that the bonus may not always be applied to the total in the Experience window.





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2. Bounty Hunter
3. Smuggler

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DanceRulez
Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:25 pm
#7



Esharra wrote:


Tralmek wrote:

From what I've observed, it looks like there may be a bonus to healing xp after you /stopwatch or /stoplisten to yourself. However, I'm not sure...I'll take another look at it tomorrow night when I'm on and see if I can be more specific for you.

The thing is, I'm getting 4 bits of system spam for every tic, two correspond with my healing and regular xp, the other two fluctuate, but average about 10% of the others. Unfortunately, all are labeled as "xp %TT" or some such, so I don't really know what type of xp they represent. I'll need to check my skill page to know for sure....



Yup..this has been pretty repeatable for me but there do seem to be a few problems that I'm still trying to quantify.

And yes..one of those is that the bonus may not always be applied to the total in the Experience window.






I just started playing around with this a bit, and I'm finding that the inspiration bonus is giving an XP DECREASE for dance XP. Here's how I tested. I brought up my skills window so I could see my Dance XP, and wrote down the current number. I then did a /startd exotic3 and picked a flourish to do, and followed it by a /stopd when I got an XP tick. What I found was that the system message said I received 47 Dance XP, and by looking at my XP I verified that I got 47 XP. I then did a /startd followed by a /stopw (making sure to have some insp. buff active first). Then I did a flourish and did a /stopd when I got an XP tick. This time the message said I recieved 48 Dance XP, but the rest of the message was kinda bugged, though it looked like it was trying to say that I recieved an additional 4 bonus XP. By comparing my experience from the skills window I received only 44 Dance XP. So a few weird things are going on.

After doing a little more testing, here's what I've found and /bugged so far. It seems that once you do /stopwatch on yourself. There is some increase in the stated value of your base XP. What is actually added to your XP total is 4 points less than the stated value, and the bonus value from the insp. buff does not seem to be added at all. This seems to be the case for both Dance (and Music I assume) and Ent. Healing XP.

On this issue of Healing XP, I did manange to get the insp. bonus to kick in on XP while buffing myself. The only thing is I had to /stopd just before the healing XP tick hit so it would happen only once. I got it to do this once, and managed to repeat it a couple of times. Unfortunately comparing my healing XP before and after, I did not actually receive the bonus point. The other thing I noticed was that after I did a /stopw self, I couldn't start watching myself again.



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Tralmek
Sun May 01, 2005 4:57 pm
#8

I posted this on the Entertainer forums (since it affects Entertainer, Dancer, and Musician alike). But here is a repost of my day in-game today.



Right now, there are NO xps I have testedthat are actually increased by Inspiration buffs.


Here are ones I tested:


Combat

Unarmed Combat

One-Handed Weapons

Carbine Weapons

Pistol Weapons

Rifle Weapons

Polearm Weapons

Two-Handed Weapons

Surveying

Wilderness Survival

Scouting

General Crafting

Medical Crafting

Dancing

Music

Image Design

Entertainer Healing

Trapping


I received no bonus xp in any of these, and I tested them before and after being Inspired by a dancer.


Here is an example of my system messages before and after an Inspriation


killed kreetle, unarmed (before)

"You receive 100 points of Unarmed Combat experience."

"You receive 10 points of Combat experience."


killed kreetle, unarmed (after)

"You receive 110 points of 10 experience. (#TT bonus experience)"

"You receive 11 points of 1 experience. (#TT bonus experience)"


Consultingmy profession sheet, I found I had received a total of 20 Combat xp and 200 Unarmed xp. The Inspiration had showed up in system spam, but not in the xp counter.


In fact, the only type of experience I found that wasaffected by the Inspiration was the Surveying xp.


pre-Inspiration Survey:

"You successfully locate a 1 unit sample of Kawop."

"You receive 34 points of Surveying experience."

Actual Surveying xp: 34


post-Inspiration Survey:

"You successfully locate a 1 unit sample of Kawop."

"You receive 31 points of 3 experience. (#TT bonus experience)"

Actual Surveying xp: 28


So in this situation, the actual xp I received went down after the Inspiration.




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Drygo
Sun May 01, 2005 7:33 pm
#9

eek. I think this needs to go near the top of the problems list. I tested it myself dancing, and I got less xp too. I think the combat players especially really love the idea of these buffs and I've gotten a lot of tips for them. I think this is a really good mutually beneficial situation for all involved. Let's get this fixed as soon as possible!



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Esharra
Sun May 01, 2005 8:07 pm
#10

We're seeing a lot of inconsistencies with this one. While I have not gotten less experience, I have seen several flourishes with no experience. Keep the info coming.



Esharra ěsh-äŕ-rä, noun
1. Entertainer
2. Bounty Hunter
3. Smuggler

"One man's oddity is another man's routine." -Bertos Goodner (a dancer)


Esharra
Sun May 01, 2005 10:11 pm
#11

We are also seeing a potential exploit. If you think you may be as well, please PM me the details. Please do not post about it here.



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1. Entertainer
2. Bounty Hunter
3. Smuggler

"One man's oddity is another man's routine." -Bertos Goodner (a dancer)


Anoewyn
Mon May 02, 2005 7:22 am
#12

Aye, I've had this problem as well - that the inspiration buff (or its application) seems to be disrupting any xp gained from dancing. I'm also having troubles using the "work around" as some of the things listed don't work for my character either. However, none of my guildmates have reported anythingunusal like decreased xp or interferences, but I'll keep it monitored.I've bugged it, but feel free to chalk up another on the stats



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Aleyo
Mon May 02, 2005 10:48 am
#13

Regarding getting less dance xp while inspired:

I don't believe that the inspirations are the cause of getting less dance xp. There is obviously the bug that the inspiration bonus is not getting added, but I don't think the cause of the lowered *base* is *because* of the inspiration.

The workaround to allow yourself to get an inspiration bonus while dancing is to stop watching yourself. It is my belief that the normal act of you watching yourself gives a bonus to dance xp, just as if someone else were watching you. Thus, you dance, you stop watching yourself, and you lose the bonus for the 1 watcher (yourself) and get a slightly lower base dance xp.

This is presumably testable by trying this while not inspired. If I'm correct, you should get less xp while not watching yourself even while not inspired.

But yeah, the fact that inspirations aren't working is no good and needs to be fixed.




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