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Thread: retraining the crowds
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psycocat
Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:36 pm
#1
ouch.
and people have come on here complaining about how entertainers treat others.
this is more proof that bots are messing things up.
The only thing I can advise is to constantly ask them to be nicer and to treat you with respect.
It will take a long time to garner respect for this profession again.
AerynTalyn
Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:41 pm
#2
I also hate when someone walks up to me and auto /invites me. I always decline and then they usually ask me for a buff. If its just one person I always do /setperform. Then they ask why I won't join their group. I explain that I only need to be in the group if I'm buffing more than one person at a time and that I did the induvidual command to buff. Never had any problems. And I taught someone something new that thought buffs only occured in groups. Whether or not they carried this knowledge on or even remembered. It worked for the time being.
DarkY0da
Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:44 pm
#3
For retraining first I like to find someone and drug them up good. Once they pass out I put my slave collar on them and a nice little pair of hawtpants. I take them with me while buffing so that others can see how they should behave.
I do this with a program I like to call
Positivly Negative reinforcement.
For every misspelled word or leet shortened version I whip them till I tire. And have them then do it correctly.
For every rude comment. I whip them till I tire. And have them then make a nice comment.
After every person that doesn't tip I whip my slave for the day until I tire. And then make him tip me.
For everyone that treats me like I'm not a person behind that toon. I whip him till I tire. And then tell him I'm sorry for treating him like less then a person.
For every AFK/Bot I see I whip him till I incap him. And then I do it 2 more times. And go to pick him up at the cloner.
So far it seems to be slow going but wow it sure helps to releive frustration.
I do this with a program I like to call
Positivly Negative reinforcement.
For every misspelled word or leet shortened version I whip them till I tire. And have them then do it correctly.
For every rude comment. I whip them till I tire. And have them then make a nice comment.
After every person that doesn't tip I whip my slave for the day until I tire. And then make him tip me.
For everyone that treats me like I'm not a person behind that toon. I whip him till I tire. And then tell him I'm sorry for treating him like less then a person.
For every AFK/Bot I see I whip him till I incap him. And then I do it 2 more times. And go to pick him up at the cloner.
So far it seems to be slow going but wow it sure helps to releive frustration.
Message Edited by DarkY0da on 11-16-2004 02:12 PM
Groovymarlin
Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:32 pm
#4
"...I whip them till I tire."
ROFL!! OMG I'm laughing so hard you wouldn't believe. Thanks, I needed that.
ROFL!! OMG I'm laughing so hard you wouldn't believe. Thanks, I needed that.
AtheneNoctua
Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:39 pm
#5
Unfortunately, at least without resorting to DarkY0da's method, I don't know a better method than just telling them the same things over and over again, until combatants get used to the concept of live entertainers again. Some players just appear lost when the vending machine isn't available for a day. It can be very tiresome, but on the other hand many players _are_ actually much nicer the next time around, so I consider it woth it - at least for some time before I have to flee the place in order to protect my sanity. Of course, some people are just plain rude, but those won't get a second buff from me (thank the devs for /note as I tend to throw away my scraps of paper).
If people don't immediately react to my message notifying them about the buff being finished, I usually send a tell with the same message worded clearer. Sometimes they just aren't reading spatial or group chat.
With customers that appear unexperienced, I always give very detailed instructions on what they have to do in order to get the buff - but most of the time I omit them and just ask if they're listening/watching and tell them when it's finished.
If people don't immediately react to my message notifying them about the buff being finished, I usually send a tell with the same message worded clearer. Sometimes they just aren't reading spatial or group chat.
With customers that appear unexperienced, I always give very detailed instructions on what they have to do in order to get the buff - but most of the time I omit them and just ask if they're listening/watching and tell them when it's finished.
AtheneNoctua
Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:42 pm
#6
DarkY0da wrote:
For retraining first I like to find someone and drug them up good. Once they pass out I put my slave collar on them and a nice little pair of hawtpants. I take them with me while buffing so that others can see how they should behave.
I do this with a program I like to call
Positivly Negative reinforcement.
For every misspelled word or leet shortened version I whip them till I tire. And have them then do it correctly.
For every rude comment. I whip them till I tire. And have them then make a nice comment.
After every person that doesn't tip I whip my slave for the day until I tire. And then make him tip me.
For everyone that treats me like I'm not a person behind that toon. I whip him till I tire. And then tell him I'm sorry for treating him like less then a person.
For every AFK/Bot I see I whip him till I incap him. And then I do it 2 more times. And go to pick him up at the cloner.
So far it seems to be slow going but wow it sure helps to releive frustration.Message Edited by DarkY0da on 11-16-2004 02:12 PM
This looks like hard work to me, have you considered having them to whip each other? That way you can even continue dancing!
DarkY0da
Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:08 pm
#7
It is very hard work. But some how feels much more rewarding then having them do it. I don't know just something about it that just says to me "Wow now this makes all the crap worthwhile..." lol
PoetDancer
Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:28 pm
#8
A lot of live players have this sort of problem with buffing. And I'd have to say, Ikewe, its not your fault. Nor is it your patrons' fault necessarily. Its the fault of the system. Buffing is not a system that is intuitive and stress free. Its a stressful and tense time for both patron and performer. Now this tension can never be fully eliminated when its between two live players. The mere fact that both you and they are live creates the tension. But it can be reduced.
I'd say just givethe buffto them in whatever manner they see fit. Don't even worry about negotiating a price. If they ask for it--or even if they don't and there is nobody else there--just give it to them.We have nothing to lose by doing this, and have so much more to gain.
I can understand the dillema in selling buffs for let's say, 5K. On the one hand, at least those who get buffs from us will give us 5K apiece. On the other hand though, you'll also miss out on being ableto get 7K, or even 100K. But I won't even go into that subject of charging up front for buffs or having some means to coax a tip out of them. Suffice it to say I tend to get tipped more when I give complimentary buffs.
The sad truth of the situation is that the more we all stress ourselves out about buffing, the less of an opportunity we will have to interact, tell jokes, provide the atmosphere, and do all of those things that make watching a live performance something unique and cherished. But the most common misconception of our patrons is that we are somehow responsible for their buff. How can we be when so much of what goes on depends on actions that are not under our control? Because ultimately, it is not our job to buff patrons. Patrons must buff themselves by /watching us.
So what I try and do is to place them in a position where they are comfortable and assured they will get what they go to the cantina to get. So as soon as they say "can u buff me?" and I see healing XP come through? BAM. /Setperform. If they are holding a rifle or something else where I cannot see if they are clapping? BAM. /Invite. I don't even spare the time to instruct them or anything. Then, I start thinking of questions to ask them, like "Nice Armour. Where did you get it?," or "Do you live on Lok?" I make sure to ask THEM the question first, so they won't have time to ask me the question of "how much time?" or "this is the wrong way." I try and take charge of the converstaion by making them respond to me, rather thanme having to respond to them.
Because ifI do it right, I know that the patron will be so busy trying to respond to me, he'll lose all track of time. So when it comes time for the buff to be done, I tell him "you can /stopwatching...if you want to...that is." And he will invariably thinkto himself, "That was the quickest and best buff I ever had!" /tipSirii 100,000.
I admit though. It takes a LOT of work, and it doesn't always come off the way I'd like it. But that's the goal at least for me. And it can work wonders to make up for the fact that the cards are stacked against me as a live buffer.
Try and get all of that red tape out of the way as quickly and hassle free as possible so you can start entertaining. I know its not the best advice, but its the only advice I can give anyone with these current buffing rules. After all, if patrons have a reason to look at your chat bubbles, they won't be looking at their timers. Which means they won't be as inclined to worry about when to /stopwatching.
Message Edited by PoetDancer on 11-16-2004 05:31 PM
Schardour
Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:39 pm
#9
PoetDancer wrote:
and it doesn't always come off the way I'd like it.
You're talking about those times you feel as though you're trying to hold a conversation with a brick wall, right?
PoetDancer
Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:48 pm
#10
Only gives me an incentive to work harder dear to find something they'll respond to.
Akaara
Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:52 pm
#11
You know what... be as honest as possible with them, be patient and explain the difference like you did your post.
I feel that by being completely honest and patient with them, (and probably explaining it over and over) that it will do the most good.
Tell them exactly what you told us in this post, it was thoughtful and well spoken. Honesty goes a long way sometimes.
Message Edited by Akaara on 11-16-2004 03:54 PM
FuschiaD
Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:42 pm
#12
This is, without a doubt, the most frustrating part of my gameplay... the 90% of the player base who is absolutely convinced that you have to be grouped to get a mind buff. I get it most often when I'm in the cantinas and people come in and ask for an invite to the entertainer group. I'm polite butfirm, and tell them no, you can't, but if you need a mind buff I would be glad to help you with that.
The ones who want a buffbot usually leave. The ones who just want a buff are usually okay with that.
DanceRulez
Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:46 pm
#13
I'd say patience is the best advice I could give. The patience to tell different players over and over again that "no, you don't have to be in a group" or "trust me, I'm a Master so I know how it works". It's about the only option that the bots leave us after teaching legions of players only an automated process. When I get the automatic "Would you like to join XXX's group?" box, I usually start by saying, "Hello there. What kind of group are you forming?" I already know, but that way I put them on the spot and make them think more about what they're doing. Sometimes I will even remind them that "/invite is not a greeting". 
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