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Thread: Training Non CH mounts?

Marlena
Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:35 pm
#1

Actually, this is FAR more troublesome than it sounds.


I tamed 3 carrion spats to prep as mounts. ELEVEN xp cycles later (yes, I leveled them up 11 times so far) they're still not big enough to saddle.


Frankly, if it takes too many more cycles to make them big enough to be mountable, I'm going to be telling folks to find BE-made non-CH mounts (IF, and that's a big if right now, they are full grown size-wise when tamed right now), and/or going to have to charge insanely high amounts for non-CH mounts now.


I'll report back when I've actually managed to wrangle a saddle onto one of these brutes (trio'ing them, ungrouped, around Corellia, with my pistol fire doing the lion's share of the work to speed things up), to let you know exactly how many trainings you're going to have to go through in order to get a non-CH mount out of these ...
Thaumaturgist
Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:44 pm
#2

Well I havn't actually tested it yet to see how long it takes to be able to train a critter as a mount in the new system, so your testing is much better than mine.

If this is the case, it isn't a good situation at all and needs to be looked at.



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CombatTrainer
Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:47 pm
#3

just to let you know...I ama MBE / MCH...I have a tamed cu pa (CL 10) that I have been working on lvling up for a non ch friend so he can have it for a mount...I have lvl'ed him up 3 times and he is just now standing about as tall as me. (im pretty short) I will let you know when and if he ever gets big enough to mount at what point this happens...


I also made a dewback CL10 for a non ch as a mount...he was not big enough to be mounted when he was first created and tamed....SO it looks like BE are going to either have to be CH's also so they can get them the xp to get big enough to mount or have a CH friend who will do it for them..Either way this creates alot more work for CH's and BE's alike to make non CH mounts...please let me know what you think...


Marekprime
Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:54 pm
#4

I wanted to ask the same question. I am a novice CH and I worked straight up the CH Management tree just to train mounts. I had two twin lesser plain bols that were (6)10 and only need one more day to grow to mount. On that last day the update came out and now they are CL10 but I can't mount them. I think there has to be another way to get our pets to learn Mount!!! I like the Skills and petXP, but I still think the babies should grow over time, not over knowledge!!!!

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Marlena
Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:12 pm
#5

Okies, found a /bug, put in a report. Here's what seems to be happening.


Gave up after leveling the durn thing for the 13th time, and it was still pretty wimpy in size. Stored it. Called it back out, and it was almost tripled in size, and more than ready to be mounted.


Soooooo ... when working on leveling critters to be mounted, wait for the combat timer, store, call back out ... rinse and repeat as needed.


I'm *guessing* they won't take anywhere near as much leveling time as I just wasted on them.


Since they're non-CH mounts of level 10 or less, at least their XP needs aren't *too* horribly insane...
Immryy
Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:53 pm
#6

"Non-CH's can't gain Pet exp, so a pet with a non ch will never grow. It will be our responsiblity as CH's to grow the pet for the Non-CH and train it as a mount. (1-3 hours time?) IMHO this is a wash compared to having the stupid thing in your datapad for 1 1/2 weeks for it to grow up. Not only that you can have 3 Non CH Pets out at a time and be "growing" them all at the same time. "


Actually, this is a complete pain in the butt. Since we have to grind the hell out of our exsisting pets (I have a 69, 68, 67,61, 56, 53, 51and a lvl 50, not to mention my nargs) that is a serious amount of grinding to get them all up to speed, now I have to grind mounts for my friends? It was ALOT easier to go get one, pop it out to get it growing and train it, and tell them it should be ready in a few days to train as a mount.
smg77
Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:59 pm
#7

Carrion spats can be trained as mounts, right? Or is it just giant carrion spats?

I've been training two of them for the last two days and still don't have an option to train them even after storing them and re-calling them.
Drashk
Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:00 pm
#8




Immryy wrote:

Actually, this is a complete pain in the butt. Since we have to grind the hell out of our exsisting pets (I have a 69, 68, 67,61, 56, 53, 51and a lvl 50, not to mention my nargs) that is a serious amount of grinding to get them all up to speed, now I have to grind mounts for my friends? It was ALOT easier to go get one, pop it out to get it growing and train it, and tell them it should be ready in a few days to train as a mount.




If you ever want to teach your high end pets L3 Abilites, that you learn, you are going to need to train it L1 and L2 skills first.


The perfect way to do this would be to find 3 CL10 mounts with L1 Abilites and 'level' them up. Not only will you be learning the L1 Abilities, but you will also be creating your friends mounts.







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Drashk
Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:02 pm
#9




smg77 wrote:
Carrion spats can be trained as mounts, right? Or is it just giant carrion spats?

I've been training two of them for the last two days and still don't have an option to train them even after storing them and re-calling them.



Did you look at in the Pet Command window? The train mount option shows up at the bottom of the list, right above the begining of the Abilities training area.






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Maisland
Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:15 pm
#10




Immryy wrote:

"Non-CH's can't gain Pet exp, so a pet with a non ch will never grow. It will be our responsiblity as CH's to grow the pet for the Non-CH and train it as a mount. (1-3 hours time?) IMHO this is a wash compared to having the stupid thing in your datapad for 1 1/2 weeks for it to grow up. Not only that you can have 3 Non CH Pets out at a time and be "growing" them all at the same time. "


Actually, this is a complete pain in the butt. Since we have to grind the hell out of our exsisting pets (I have a 69, 68, 67,61, 56, 53, 51and a lvl 50, not to mention my nargs) that is a serious amount of grinding to get them all up to speed, now I have to grind mounts for my friends? It was ALOT easier to go get one, pop it out to get it growing and train it, and tell them it should be ready in a few days to train as a mount.



I agree. When Publish 21 hit live I had a CL 8(10) BE Dewback in my datapad that I had been growing to mount for a friend. It only took 2 rollovers to get it big enough to mount, but still.....


I currently am working on a Cu Pa I tamed last night. I have a CL 47 with an ability I want that I am working on and am grinding the Cu Pa at the same time... but it is a huge pain! I have no desire to grind non-CH mounts when I can be working on my own pets. This one I am working on right now isn't too bad since I can work it alongside the pet I am working for an ability, but the thought of doing this on any kind of regular basis is not appealing... but if it gets too tiresome, I think I'll just release it (or even give it away without itbeing trained as a mount).


I would much rather not have pet size tied to abilities and have the pets grow in size over time the way they used to.




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Marekprime
Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:20 pm
#11



Maisland wrote:

Immryy wrote:
"Non-CH's can't gain Pet exp, so a pet with a non ch will never grow. It will be our responsiblity as CH's to grow the pet for the Non-CH and train it as a mount. (1-3 hours time?) IMHO this is a wash compared to having the stupid thing in your datapad for 1 1/2 weeks for it to grow up. Not only that you can have 3 Non CH Pets out at a time and be "growing" them all at the same time. "
Actually, this is a complete pain in the butt. Since we have to grind the hell out of our exsisting pets (I have a 69, 68, 67,61, 56, 53, 51 and a lvl 50, not to mention my nargs) that is a serious amount of grinding to get them all up to speed, now I have to grind mounts for my friends? It was ALOT easier to go get one, pop it out to get it growing and train it, and tell them it should be ready in a few days to train as a mount.

I agree. When Publish 21 hit live I had a CL 8(10) BE Dewback in my datapad that I had been growing to mount for a friend. It only took 2 rollovers to get it big enough to mount, but still.....

I currently am working on a Cu Pa I tamed last night. I have a CL 47 with an ability I want that I am working on and am grinding the Cu Pa at the same time... but it is a huge pain! I have no desire to grind non-CH mounts when I can be working on my own pets. This one I am working on right now isn't too bad since I can work it alongside the pet I am working for an ability, but the thought of doing this on any kind of regular basis is not appealing... but if it gets too tiresome, I think I'll just release it (or even give it away without it being trained as a mount).

I would much rather not have pet size tied to abilities and have the pets grow in size over time the way they used to.






Yeah well I think the problem right now for all the Vet MCH is they are going to be too busy working on getting their current pets XP'ed and working on finding all the new abilities!!! Once every has their fav pets lvled up and ability trained, then they will have time to work on non-CH mounts. AND!! it will only take a few hours instead of days like it did before.

But I agree, having the pets size determined by time and know by abilities, is a bit more realistic. However, you can't have a baby Cu-Pa ready for mount, be 2 feet tall and have a Wookies riding around on his back. That just wouldn't look right.
Immryy
Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:23 am
#12

I havent seen anything on this, and since the old way was the creature needed to be about 60% grown it was easy to tell by the lvl it was currently at. Now, with the changes, your creature is max lvl, but tiny and exping is the only way to get it to grow. Now, for a Non CH that wants a creature as a mount, do they need to exp the creature (which is probably something they don't want to do) to get it enough exp to make it grow enough for mount status? This of course was totally missed in the patch notes,a nd since I like to train mounts for friends, its kinda impotant to me. Thanks all.
Thaumaturgist
Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:29 am
#13

Non-CH's can't gain Pet exp, so a pet with a non ch will never grow. It will be our responsiblity as CH's to grow the pet for the Non-CH and train it as a mount. (1-3 hours time?) IMHO this is a wash compared to having the stupid thing in your datapad for 1 1/2 weeks for it to grow up. Not only that you can have 3 Non CH Pets out at a time and be "growing" them all at the same time.



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