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Thread: Truce

SkyPreacher1
Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:27 pm
#1

Hello and greetings to my CH friends, both of you.


I just want to tell you that guys, I am tired. We have fought, we have flamed, we have banged heads, we have shaken our fists. We are broken and after nine months of rants, raves, pleas and begging we feel we are no closer to a solution than we were 9 months ago.


I am tired of it all. I want a truce. I think we need some peace. I don't know what rabbit or dragon will come out of the pocket of the developers. I don't know the time table. I wish they would do the combat revamp and GCW before JTL because I believe that it is essential to this game becoming better.


My head is bloody from banging it against the brick walls, my hands are broken from trying to break down doors. I want some peace, I would like to see some red names here to explain or at least be visible.


I would like us to put our blasters, flamethrowers, etc. back into their holsters (you can keep your hands on them) and just wait. Aarh can't spell the name did an awesome job of documenting what was said by TH. I want to give him and the correspondents one last chance to get it right.


I am offering peace to this forum. Maybe a truce is a better word. Peace can only come after a truce has been agreed upon.


So let me suggest that we have a truce. We give them their week to get the docs out. Then Vert, I would like you to post a point by point debate on each thing. One a day.


The development team has this opportunity to earn our respect and trust. I believe if they screw this up then I believe there should be no peace.


If it is possible, Tyrant, would you acknowledge some of our design for Corrals, Mounts. If we take this one step towards a truce will you the Devs, take a step towards us in being here to help quiet our fears? To let us know that you hear us, not just through Vert, but by coming and saying yes. We hear you. We think this is a great idea. or It is a great idea but it is not doable. or It is a good idea but it takes a ton of coding, we want to do it but can you wait until the new year. We just want to know you are there.


It takes two to fight. It also takes two to make peace. I hope I am man enough to make peace, are you willing to be man enough to help make the peace as well?


/sign of peace



....and then no matter how hard we get nerfed, we still keep CH because we are still some of the coolest characters on the game.

BOYCOTTING JUMP TO LIGHTSPEED UNTIL COMBAT BALANCE AND GCW REVAMP!
SWG: Quote: Grand moff Tarkin: The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. you my friend are all thats left of their religon. Except for the other 5000 over there...
too2fun
Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:34 pm
#2

Sky, Pluto IM's:

Tell Sky this is a nice newer version of the Dev/CH Peace Accord. I sign on, with the caveat you described, Devs passing this opportunity now would seriously hamper any peace talks in the future. Good work.



Eagles fly, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
People like me are the reason we have middle fingers.
SkyPreacher1
Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:40 pm
#3

I miss you too Pluto.


/sniff

Be well my friend. I don't even know if I speak for many or any of my CH brothers, I am just tired of the endless fighting. I really want to see the Corral go ahead and I don't think that will happen if we can't some how get some constructive dialogue started.


I know you are man enough Pluto to give them a chance. Thanks bro.



....and then no matter how hard we get nerfed, we still keep CH because we are still some of the coolest characters on the game.

BOYCOTTING JUMP TO LIGHTSPEED UNTIL COMBAT BALANCE AND GCW REVAMP!
SWG: Quote: Grand moff Tarkin: The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. you my friend are all thats left of their religon. Except for the other 5000 over there...
Raptor725
Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:41 pm
#4

/agree


i for one am coming out of the bunker (one hand up, the other on the DX2 and my Crim razor cat and kliknik hunter behind me)........i am willing to listen and talk in the hopes the we can pervent anymore bloodshed but i can't speek for all 200 or so other CH's behind me and there pets still in the bunker.


and as far as that nasty incident with the correspondents..........i feel that we just wanted to hear what they said from Vert first..... too many times when stuff comes from anyone else it feels like we are getting set up and old reflexes die hard. sorry to bite your heads off but after as long as we have waited its a bit hard to be told hang on a bit longer. (my hands are tried as is)


again i am sorry about what happen to the Blue names on are board and i agree with Sky its time we listen and let them speak and see if they really mean it this time cause if it doesn't i know the bombs will start falling again and none of us really truely want that.


.........................the table is set...........plz come back.......we will hold back the enrage pets just bemind full of the rancor (we feed him a CSR last week and now he has a taste for SOE personnel.) we want to talk this time level headed. but i think alot of us need to get that off of are collective chest plz understand.


K'th Douglass

leader of N-D-I

MCH

BE/pistoleer for protection
Joker9125
Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:44 pm
#5

I miss pluto to.



http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=creature_handler&message.id=218063">Clicky To My Sticky

"If nothing else, I've got time to explore some of the other games my friends are playing. It could easily be argued that the NGE is the best thing ever to happen to guild wars" - Me

Velitham MCH
SkyPreacher1
Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:52 pm
#6

/humbly bow


I am humbled. I just want what is best for CH. I want Pluto to come back and dream and finish the corral plan.


Mostly I just want us to feel like we count. I believe in CH. I believe in my fellow CH's. We are the very best of the best.


I believe that people who take time to own pets have a strong passion.


/gracious salutations



....and then no matter how hard we get nerfed, we still keep CH because we are still some of the coolest characters on the game.

BOYCOTTING JUMP TO LIGHTSPEED UNTIL COMBAT BALANCE AND GCW REVAMP!
SWG: Quote: Grand moff Tarkin: The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. you my friend are all thats left of their religon. Except for the other 5000 over there...
Wabit
Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:26 pm
#7






SkyPreacher1 wrote:


I don't know what rabbit or dragon will come out of the pocket of the developers.





i did not come out of a dev's pocket ....


as for the rest of the post, nice work ...


i've not seen eye to eye with pluto on very many things... i'm waiting to see what the devs do come out with... but for my own nickle, yes CH is gimped compared to what it once was... but its still a powerful support profession teamed with an elite combat prof... i usually try not to get into the flame fests... it accomplishes nothing really... but a nice debate is always good...


i think what most CH want to see is some kind of accoknowledgement from one of the higher ups... yes we are still in the game...


/wave


Wabit



I can just see a "Wait for the Combat Revamp" and "Wait for the Smuggler Revamp" quote all rolled into one.
"Wait for the Smuggbat Revamp"
Smuggbat, I like that
Aakhperkare
Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:16 am
#8

I'll wait a week for some feedback. But my opinion remains. Documents and feedback don't mean JACK until it's implimented. I am not a very forgiving person...
SkyPreacher1
Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:20 am
#9

Aak,

In some respects neither am I probably.


I want to hope that is all.

I want to hope that they are going to fix the small damage our pets do in PVP.

I want to hope that they are fixing our pathing problems.

I want to hope that the combat distance adjustment (running) is being fixed.

I want to hope that the auto store bug has been resolved.

I want to hope that they read our corral idea and it is getting a serious look. At the least more data storage.


Weall have been frustrated, angry, embittered for months. I know that it seems everything we ask for, every publish that comes out seems to just keep taking away more and more and more. But I also know that, well we have accomplished very little by being "raging bulls". Maybe we should take the sage advice of a former president "walk softly and carry a big stick"


Maybe we should invite the new CH's to email us privately and we will help them with their questions and just let the forum sit in silence for a day or two.

We have been asked to wait. I have been told by some of the Corrs that Vert did a heck of a job in Austin and that right now all devdom is watching us. Maybe we should just stop for a day, collect our thots, and then promote the Corral Idea and the new Mounts we like.

When we feel like flaming someone, how about we right it all done on our word processor and hit save. And if this Revamp turns into another nerf for CH, like most of us instantly fear, then I guess the gloves can come off. But right now we don't know.


I know we wish Vert could do more, say more and probably if you look at it, he is one of the Corrs sticking the closest the DNA. LoL we would have to get a Corr. with integrity wouldn't we.


All I know right now is that our flames haven't helped, being nice so far, doesn't appear to have helped, and being constructive, hasn't done much either. So what have we got to lose by being silent and just waiting this out for another week?


I don't know if TH will show up, I hope a red name does, I am not holding my breath too long, but if they answer us in the docs with truth, facts and implementation and if it is as good as we are led to believe, then I think we can assume that at some point they either listened to Vert or us and that guys and gals will be a huge plus for us.


Let's just hang in there till we see the proposal. And then let's be constructive about it. Truth is the proof will be in the sand box and the hope is they won't gag the people who go there.



....and then no matter how hard we get nerfed, we still keep CH because we are still some of the coolest characters on the game.

BOYCOTTING JUMP TO LIGHTSPEED UNTIL COMBAT BALANCE AND GCW REVAMP!
SWG: Quote: Grand moff Tarkin: The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. you my friend are all thats left of their religon. Except for the other 5000 over there...
TsiyaAma
Wed Sep 01, 2004 5:20 am
#10

I don't know how to reply to this...on the one hand I say it's great, let's get them back in here and communicating again. On the other hand, yes, our board is a flame fest, but it wasn't when they stopped coming by. The flames started when they stopped posting. I just want information on what's going on. They persist in gagging our one source, Vert, and not allowing any information out. That's all we want.


Tell us what you're planning to do!

That will end all flames and nastiness. In one step all reason for our complaints removed. Or just say "Ok, this week we're looking at (insert complaint here). No need tomention what you plan to do about it, just let us know that you realize we're here trying to keep our profession alive. I'm tired of fighting, especially when all our ideas and hard-thought-out plans to help our beloved class are as far as we know completely ignored! That's why there's so many flames. We're all frustrated at being ignored for so long. Guess this is the last stand at the OK corral...



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SkyPreacher1
Wed Sep 01, 2004 5:56 am
#11

TsiyaAma,

I completely understand.

/huge sigh

It is definetly harder to stay calm when pushed to the brink, or over. I have flamed my share fair of Devs, but the other day I had to ask myself, "so what has it accomplished?" At the moment I don't have an answer. All I know is that somewhere there has to be some middle ground between boot licking and Fighting. That is the ground I want to find.


Can you help me?



....and then no matter how hard we get nerfed, we still keep CH because we are still some of the coolest characters on the game.

BOYCOTTING JUMP TO LIGHTSPEED UNTIL COMBAT BALANCE AND GCW REVAMP!
SWG: Quote: Grand moff Tarkin: The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. you my friend are all thats left of their religon. Except for the other 5000 over there...
jopenack
Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:22 am
#12


Sky you may speak for me in this and many more threads.



I for one will give a limited amount of respect out to someone I dont really know. then its up to them to earn more or lose all.

To move forward a truce and aknowldegement from a dev,if it came from the heart, is much needed here


Creature Handlers are a passionate people we care about things very deeply that after all is why we chose to be and still are CH even after the CH revamp. We even care about a pet made out of code as though it was made of flesh. :-)


To fight for ones belief is honorable and we have fought long and this is a tiring battle. maybe peace talks need to be reastablished and will do more to help our cause.


I hope these last few months have taught much, honesty, integrity, and yes admitting when one is wrong will earn huge respect xp with most people.


I for one have been wrong and will openly admit it here. I was wrong to hold onto my anger, resentment, and my lack of hope most of all.


I shall lay down my arms recall my pets and wait for theOlive branch to be returned with arms wide open:-)



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Gyorgy
Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:27 am
#13

I don't think it's about finding that middle ground, Sky. More about doing what is needed to achieve something. Fighting or bootlicking...




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