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Thread: Something you may want to look at as a creature handler
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LostMyLunch
Sat Mar 12, 2005 12:27 pm
#1
I dont really aprove of these pets and have never really spoken of them and do not want to argue on differences of opinion.
But the reasoning many bio eng. say its ok because the no armor and low stats on everything but kinetic.
Well they now can create armor on lvl 9 pets, this means 50% reduction in damage against everything.
Why is it ok to make threads like this and have a correspondent encourage it but not be able to have people
talk about creating other items that are not supposed to be made like high ham swoops. just because the devs say it is not supposed to be this way and they will fix it someday does not mean it should be allowed on the forums and brought to
this new level.
Sorry Bio Eng's I had always listened and tried to see both sides but this is now reaching pure insanity with no excuses available other than "why not we can do it" "theheck with everyone"
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bio-engineer&message.id=92297
nighter
Sat Mar 12, 2005 12:50 pm
#2
I agree with ya, Bio eng may flame me but from a CH's point of view atleast at my end it's just one more thing that belittle's our prof and i'm sure most Bio Eng's don't care if they carry that attitude. It makes them money, so they don't care what prof it may hurt as long as their pockets are full it's perfectly ok for them to brush off what it does to hard working ch's. This is prob why I only have one BE pet my kimo cause that's the only way you can get one. I don't like how alot of Bio Eng's act, they charge alot for BE pets that are easy to make other then the fact that you have to grind to master Be which is hard cause I was almost a master BE before but it is pretty easy to make an uber pet and BE petthat's better then wild ones for the most part and that's ok for them and SOE because they are happy while Hard working CH's get shafted and it's a very sad thing that most BE's don't care as long as they make money.....
Nighter' Tradestar
Master Creature Handler
HC
/Kowtow's in Deep respect before the Quenker
Caliet
Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:08 pm
#3
In general the games who combat rating system is screwy. As evidenced by "solo groups" which by definition should not exist. If a player can solo that level of mission they should be able to pull it from the terminal without a group. Often any mission the terminal will give is a single shot kill. This has been a problem for a long time.... a long time.
Combat_Medic_to_be
Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:23 pm
#4
Joker9125 wrote:If these things hit the main market I better see people start getting banned.
Well they aren't exploits, just the BE clvl system is screwy. The post actually states that the pets have armour but no resists although after much generational sampling he managed to achieve armour with about 12 or 18% kin resist, 7k HAM and low dmg in a clvl 11 pet (i think it was 11). Sure these shouldnt be clvl 10 but it's not the BEs fault that they have worked out how to craft the most complex items in the game to a very high standard. They should be given credit for their intelligence. We should be angy with the devs for implementing such a poor clvl system in BE pets.
LostMyLunch
Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:55 pm
#5
The loot system was screwy and people got uber npc weapons, must not be an exploit in your eyes then. oh wait soe said it was an exploit.
If you think this is not a form of exploit then niether was smugglers passing weapons to eachother in 03 for multiple slices and uber weapons. the system allowed it didnt it. the system allowed cradit duping, the system allowed high ham bike creations, the system allowed a meditation bug for jedis, the system allowed every single exploit to date.
The only difference here is no one from soe has yet to call it such.
Truthfully my problem isn't so much they can be made. My problem is the way they are freely discussed on the forums without anyone from soe or any moderater saying that these are not meant to be ingame and recipes on them should not be discussed.
its like discussing how to loot those npc weapons. you are not supposed to have them but can get them. If a moderator saw you discussing how to get them that thread would be deleted and if you continued to do it you would be banned from the forums.
I posted this in the CSR forum. It is time to end this. again I am sorry to many nice and considerateBE's but we have now crossed a line and that line seems to be getting so very thin.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=customerservice&message.id=4198
Combat_Medic_to_be
Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:06 pm
#6
Jeez, duno why I'm getting flamed for that post. All the example you give involve players taking actions and doing things that clearly were not intended. I know pets with those stats and lvls were probably not intended but they arent getting DNA they know to be bugged and deliberatly using it to make these pets, they are simply using theit inteligence to craft the most complex items in the game to the best of their ability. Whether or not that should be possible is another matter. I made my post in response to pluto saying people should be getting banned for this. I'm all for BE pets being brought on par with natural tames. Id rather them be more specialised rather than being better in all respects. I just dont think people should be banned because they have worked out how to craft pets this good. The way cl is calculated for BE pets needs alot of looking at which is why I say moan at the devs, try and get them to fix it, dont try and get players banned for it.
I'm pretty sure that most BEs want this to be fixed to but in the meantime it gives those who enjoy a challenge something to dig their teeth into, don't ban them for enjoying a challenge.
::Edit:: re read your post and I'd missed something in the middle which kind of makes this post seem more like a flame, I'll leave it there anyway cause I think it's still a valid point but I'll continue here.
I'm not sure whether or not I think they should be allowed to discuss them on forums or not. because the CL system is so screwed up it's difficult to say "yes this is an unintened pet" or "no its fine" because u need a formula to say yes or no. There is too much of a grey area. I think the devs should just sort out the formula and then if there is discussion of pets that can exploit the formula then it should be locked/posters banned and the loophole investigated.
I'm pretty sure that most BEs want this to be fixed to but in the meantime it gives those who enjoy a challenge something to dig their teeth into, don't ban them for enjoying a challenge.
::Edit:: re read your post and I'd missed something in the middle which kind of makes this post seem more like a flame, I'll leave it there anyway cause I think it's still a valid point but I'll continue here.
I'm not sure whether or not I think they should be allowed to discuss them on forums or not. because the CL system is so screwed up it's difficult to say "yes this is an unintened pet" or "no its fine" because u need a formula to say yes or no. There is too much of a grey area. I think the devs should just sort out the formula and then if there is discussion of pets that can exploit the formula then it should be locked/posters banned and the loophole investigated.
Message Edited by Combat_Medic_to_be on 03-12-2005 10:11 PM
nighter
Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:25 pm
#7
Combat_Medic_to_be wrote:
Jeez, duno why I'm getting flamed for that post. All the example you give involve players taking actions and doing things that clearly were not intended. I know pets with those stats and lvls were probably not intended but they arent getting DNA they know to be bugged and deliberatly using it to make these pets, they are simply using theit inteligence to craft the most complex items in the game to the best of their ability. Whether or not that should be possible is another matter. I made my post in response to pluto saying people should be getting banned for this. I'm all for BE pets being brought on par with natural tames. Id rather them be more specialised rather than being better in all respects. I just dont think people should be banned because they have worked out how to craft pets this good. The way cl is calculated for BE pets needs alot of looking at which is why I say moan at the devs, try and get them to fix it, dont try and get players banned for it.
I'm pretty sure that most BEs want this to be fixed to but in the meantime it gives those who enjoy a challenge something to dig their teeth into, don't ban them for enjoying a challenge.
::Edit:: re read your post and I'd missed something in the middle which kind of makes this post seem more like a flame, I'll leave it there anyway cause I think it's still a valid point but I'll continue here.
I'm not sure whether or not I think they should be allowed to discuss them on forums or not. because the CL system is so screwed up it's difficult to say "yes this is an unintened pet" or "no its fine" because u need a formula to say yes or no. There is too much of a grey area. I think the devs should just sort out the formula and then if there is discussion of pets that can exploit the formula then it should be locked/posters banned and the loophole investigated.
Message Edited by Combat_Medic_to_be on 03-12-2005 10:11 PM
I understand where yer coming from, and no flames but look at it from a CH stand point. They already nerfed us to the stone age and BE pets are all alot of CH's I know use which I think kills the aspect of CH in general, all you have to do to be a ch now a days is go buy a low lvl pet that has uber stats from a Bio Eng vendor, lvl then when you master get more uber BE pets that you buy. That just kills our prof IMHO, it has no life to it, it's all robotic now, it's the way of things, Be's are given way too much power and tweaking ability. I believe we were wronged and the nerf should be lifted to a degree and Bio pets should not hold as much as high wild ones. BE Pets at this lvl kill the spirit of CH, I mean are we all supose toconform and use bio pets because wilds ones are sooooo nerfed, how sad. I'm mad at SOE for not tweaking CH and wild pets back to a degree and Bio eng's are now making these non ch pets with armor, while CH's that work just as hard get looked at like we are stupid because we want some cash for training etc. It kills our prof, it rips the very being of the True CH to shreads and it's all good as long as they are happy and they make cash, how about we just give BE's the power to train and then our prof can just be thrown away and disrepected and disregarded as we pretty much have been.
Nighter' Tradestar
Master Creature Handler
HC
/Kowtow's in Deep respect before the Quenker
Message Edited by nighter on 03-12-2005 02:28 PM
LostMyLunch
Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:02 pm
#8
Combat_Medic wrote
Jeez, duno why I'm getting flamed for that post.....
________________________________________________________
Who is flaming you?
I see no fire anywhere in this thread and surely none directed at you
Your a medic lol. take a pill and relax lol.
/jokin
Skwall
Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:25 pm
#9
Come on really, BE's are meant to make better pets than yours, but CH might become useful in combat again once the CURB hits. CH still have to tame these pets, if you see one who's stats are similar offer to train it for more. Your skills are still required.
I know how what you guys are facing I was CH before nerf and even Master after, and sad to say there is no point in being one unless you like to have pets along your side. They help, but not as much as any other combat profesison would (except for rare circumstaces). I mean at least the CURB is at latest 2 months away, so you guys shouldn't fair too bad. Still have my Gaping Spider Queen in my Datapad for whenever I want to go CH again.
Nell2ThaIzzay
Sun Mar 13, 2005 1:16 am
#10
It also hurts the Droid Engineering profession.
Our only piece of the combat market comes from level 10 droids... and when people don't have Creature Handler, they can only have a pet or a droid. So when Bio-Engineers can make these totally awesome level 10 pets, that are totally better than the combat droids we can make, it kills our combat market.
I think BE would be a cool profession, and I would do it myself if I had more than 250 skill points (but as it is, DE and CH are much more important to me), and them being able to make pets that are better than what we can tame is understandable. But I've seen some of the stats on some of these low level pets, and I have no idea whatsoever how the devs could justify these pets as level 10 or below.
Joker9125
Sun Mar 13, 2005 1:57 am
#11
If these things hit the main market I better see people start getting banned. 
Joker9125
Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:28 am
#12
Combat_Medic_to_be wrote:
.......................I made my post in response to pluto saying people should be getting banned for this..................
/rofl
I'm not Pluto, but thanks for mistaking me for him. 
Combat_Medic_to_be
Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:17 am
#13
LostMyLunch wrote:Combat_Medic wroteJeez, duno why I'm getting flamed for that post.....________________________________________________________Who is flaming you?I see no fire anywhere in this thread and surely none directed at youYour a medic lol. take a pill and relax lol./jokin
Your post after mine seemed directed at me and pretty firey but I probably over reacted a bit, was in a bad mood when I posted last night.
If only I'd known that it wasnt going to be my station name used as my tag, it's the bane of my existence now
Joker9125 wrote:
Combat_Medic_to_be wrote:
....................... I made my post in response to pluto saying people should be getting banned for this................../roflI'm not Pluto, but thanks for mistaking me for him.
One too many beers last night obviously
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