Creature Handler Archive
Thread: Creature Handler Call To Arms!
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Meuw
Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:50 pm
#1
In the normal motions of human interactions a person or people wishing to be seen must do something that sets them apart from the forward flow of conformity. Those who walk the same line as the lined-up masses are not noticed. No more than the person in front of you and the person behind you will ever acknowledge your existence. It is therefore critical to the search for recognition to do something contrary to the normal flow. One must be apart from the masses to be an important part of them.
Now you may be sitting there asking the same question most will: “What the (bleep) does this have to do with this forum!?” And I shall inform you as to such. This topic has a very specific meaning and intention. This topic is an attempt to organize an even, or series of events, that will set our profession apart from the masses. This topic is to give a chance for us to work together and make sure that we are noticed.
Too long now our profession has been stuck on the back burner by the powers-that-be. Too long have we been forgotten in all the dealings of this game. We have no place left for us at the PvP table, and no room for us in the group hunting. Too many people are allowed to use pets we have to work our butts off to get without spending a single skill point. In short ladies and gentlemen we are forgotten.
When was the last time you saw someone standing in a starport screaming out “Slicing containers and weaps for 5k” or “master doc buffing…15k” or “stat migration 10k”? Now tell me when was the last time you heard someone saying “Master CH training pets for 15k”? When? Never, that is when. According to the rest of the SWG society we are nothing more than charming little afterthoughts. We are expected to be standing around willing to train pets simply because we can. They do not ask us “How much to train a pet” they just ask “Can you train my pet?”. So we are obviously not part of the economy.
How often have you ever heard of someone saying “We really need to get a CH along on this mission.” ? Again, we never hear such things. Is this because we are useless? No we are not useless, we have self-firing, self-guiding weapons that can think for themselves. We are not useless. But no one ever thinks about us.
We, my friends, need to remedy this. No longer can we sit back and sulk about being nerfed nearly to death. No longer can we allow people to use our hard earned skills like a freaking no-charge cash machine. I like to help noobs as much as anyone, but if a Master Armorsmith with a TKM second account comes up and wants me to train their pet I am a moron to not charge them what the galaxy has decided it is worth. A doctor buffs for 3 hours, we train for life. And we are making ourselves look like fools giving out what is so valuable for free. No more, we cannot afford to sully our dignity any longer. Some day soon we will all be that fat, stinking, rag covered lardo that trained a Rancor for Jabba. We will be nothing but a huge pile of semi-useful fluff, a 5 second scene where we cry over a beautiful creature that some dipwad jedi got a lucky shot on.
Meuw
Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:51 pm
#2
So what do we do about it folks? I for one think lying down and just hoping it solves itself it idiotic. We have the numbers, we have the pets, but do we have the guts? I am not just up here spinning my wheels and pretending to have all the answers. I don’t have answers. I have ideas. And ideas can one day become pyramids.
Our first order of business is to gather our forces and pool our skills, and wills. No great deed can ever be accomplished in solitude. We need each other to make a change. Each of you that hears this call and in any way wants to see their profession become great again just sound off here, or find me in game.
My first idea will be to form a concerted effort to regulate a price for our skills. We need to work together to assure we all can finally make a living with our skills instead of needing a second job just to freaking live. Without us banding together and making sure that we are paid correctly for our services we cannot charge them at all. As long as half the galaxy is training pets for free no one will want to pay for it unless they are desperate.
My second notion is to organize a preset time and place with which to hold a Creature Handlers Bazaar. We will all meet and introduce ourselves, swap tales, swap pets, sell rare pets to each other and non-ch pets to the masses. We will show off our trophies and buy and setup orders with our brethren Bio-Engineers. These events will be in the most available, and most importantly, most visible spots we can find. We need to make a scene so big that no one in the galaxy will not know about it in some way.
One day soon we may even find a means to become part of PvP again. Our pets are still weakened from the unholy nerfing they were given but that cannot stop us. 1 Ch in a PvP fight is nothing to worry about, 10-20 CH’s is an army. They can laugh all they want about how they made our pets weak vs. them, but when they see 40-50 Gurreks and Toxic Merek Battlords charging their way they will sing a different tune.
In the end we will again be seen by the masses. People will start to notice the tags we wear instead of asking puzzlingly “what is a pack master?” We will stand out form the crowd and we will be noticed. Then we will again be able to become part of this game again. Unless of course they nerf us again lol.
jopenack
Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:00 am
#3
/CHEER!!!!!!
I once tried to organise what I called a passive walkout lol. didn't go well since it concerned the CU.
This is just as good
I am in
Untill we set up guidelines as other professions do with prices and hourly rates people like to charge for they're time gathering whatever they're customers want I shall be charging the following prices.
Mount training = 15k (Just one command to saddle up the mount)
Training pets = 10k per command (Other than mount)
Bio Pet Training = same as above unless its a high ham non ch pet if they want to tank with these and buy them for millions then I want a cut. 100k for the attack and specials commands.
When they scream its robbery and grief me I shall state. I have to cover my overhead of weapons, armor, BE pets (since natural pets bite the weenie) and time spent replacing pets due to vitality loss in PVP.
LOL
This won't go over good but hey gotta start somewhere. Time to raise my MCH Title again.
maybe once people start talking about us again even in a negative way the powers that be shall listen. not to mention the people playing this game.
5 Stars for you
hossp
Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:34 am
#4
heh heh..i could do that, but i do know of a couple , at least ch's wo feel it is thier duty to do it for free on shadowfire..will have to talk to them..what's your ch's name jopenack...i've probably walked past you numerous times
DehKay
Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:58 am
#5
jopenack wrote:
Bio Pet Training = same as above unless its a high ham non ch pet if they want to tank with these and buy them for millions then I want a cut. 100k for the attack and specials commands.
Hahaha me likes, me likes muchly
jopenack
Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:38 am
#6
mch elk = on shadowfire
Its personal choice don't misunderstand but feeling its our duty to provide free service when no one else is greatful enough to tip you more than 10k, unless a noob of coarse, is just being used by selfish people.
look at doctors are they in med centers? no, why because everyone expects free heals so they sit and buff people at starports, yes they make good money but you ever go to a med center with disease lol no doc's around they cant afford to heal people.
got an entertainer toon, musician on 2 different servers, and guess what 75% of people dont tip. even if your atk. they only want to pay for mind buffs. yes some are very generouse and alot of entsare afk but every month the people here get stingier and stingier lol.
and its not the group nerf payout thing either they have been like this for a long long time.
I'l help friends and noobs as I choose wether free service or lower fees but the comp wearing, sythe toting, beserker firing, or any other million dollar weapon carrying person can pay me for my service lmao.
believe it or not im not ranting I'm sitting here laughing. I remember when ID got the stat migration thing people were screaming about them saying on the forums they were gonna charge big money, after a month and people desperatly trying to find one. they now don'thave to charge because people tipthem well. they now they wont come back if not lol.
Time to light the torch of free marketing lol.
velm
Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:23 am
#7
It is personal pref to charge or not charge. I am against charging. Comparing our services of training pets to that of Doc's and other crafters is notthe same. Doc's and other crafters need resources for their products, if they do not charge, then they cannot afford to purchase the resources for the buffpacks/stimpacks and everything else.
As far as dancers/ents charging, what other source of income do they have? Most of them have dancer/ent for toons and a few other profs, so where are they supposed to get money from? Not all of them charge for mind buffs. I know I tip the person I usually go to, even though it is a (GASP!) buff bot. I know she is going to be there, and doing buffs.
As a CH, we have a VERY good source for income, harvesting organics. In taking out 3 Bantha lairs today, I have 100,000 cred waiting for me. I did not get a body OR mind buff for this. A fair amount of us hunt for the 'rares', Bull Ranc missions pay out 18.4k cred. HOSSP got 9 mil for his troubles.
Why would I stoop so low as to charge for something that cost me NO resources and less than 3 minutes of my time? I do not understand that. Actually, I do, it is called GREED. I do NOT charge for training of animals. Because I do not charge for training of animals, I have met some VERY good people who were shocked that I did not charge. I have a few free buffs waiting for me, and a weaponsmith who is willing to do me some favors for my time. I would rather make friends than get a few credits from people. One of the best people I ever met is a Doc, I got her a Squall. I did not charge her a cent. What did I get out of it? 40,000 cred, AND once, I asked her if she could buff me. I was on Lok and in dire need of a buff as we were knee deep in fighting, she came out to Lok and buffed me. A very great person if I ever met one. Another person tipped me 10,000 to teach is pet basic commands when I was still learing the ropes.
What do we, as CH's need credits for? Think about it, what do we need them for? Armor? as a rifleman working on my skills, I rarely take any damage now, i am ONLY 0/1/0/2. I have a FULL suite of WOOK hunting armor that i carry with me, along with an armor repair tool for my current set, which is about 14,000 or so pts left on it. Do we need buffs? Played smartly, no. I have 4 mil in the bank now, I spent 400,000 on five 44.16 crafting stations for my guild.
Between mission payouts, and harvesting organic resources, I see no reason to be petty about our services. Also, how many of us are 0/0/3/0 Ranger? That Ranger ability allows us to track, I understand this comes in very handy for certain quests on Tat, and Jedi also find this skill useful. For those that do have that Ranger ability, charge for it.
Message Edited by velm on 03-05-2005 08:25 PM
Message Edited by velm on 03-05-2005 08:28 PM
Isroz
Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:27 am
#8
ok just to let u all know this is already starting to happen on my server because of my guild....ive made a ch guild with the tag called TAME...its a pretty small guild atm only like 10-11 ppl. But ill b walking around cnet sedning out my usual recruiting mail and ill get a tell from some one i dont even know or sent a mail to asking if they could join, or someone walks up to me and asks me if they can join sicne theyve seen the tag around...its pretty fun...soemtimes ill go to tatooine and show off my pets to the noobs..(they just eat that stuff up u know) and theyll b like WOW I WANNA BE A CH!. Its a nice feeling i think since my guild started ppl are noticing us more...mayb in the next couple months the ch populaion will rise...but im not getting my hopes up....im just trying to do my part
ana-mo-cara
Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:33 am
#9
It is far better to push for better level non ch pets that alone would help business. Level 10 pets are too worthless for non chs to even bother useing.
I say we push to increase the level of non ch pets to level 12 or 13 at that point they are useful
sharde64
Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:45 am
#10
i agree but i don't charge people for training although sometimes people tip me for sticking a saddle on their banthas or something
Meuw
Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:52 am
#11
velm wrote:
It is personal pref to charge or not charge. I am against charging. Comparing our services of training pets to that of Doc's and other crafters is notthe same. Doc's and other crafters need resources for their products, if they do not charge, then they cannot afford to purchase the resources for the buffpacks/stimpacks and everything else.
As far as dancers/ents charging, what other source of income do they have? Most of them have dancer/ent for toons and a few other profs, so where are they supposed to get money from? Not all of them charge for mind buffs. I know I tip the person I usually go to, even though it is a (GASP!) buff bot. I know she is going to be there, and doing buffs.
As a CH, we have a VERY good source for income, harvesting organics. In taking out 3 Bantha lairs today, I have 100,000 cred waiting for me. I did not get a body OR mind buff for this. A fair amount of us hunt for the 'rares', Bull Ranc missions pay out 18.4k cred. HOSSP got 9 mil for his troubles.
Why would I stoop so low as to charge for something that cost me NO resources and less than 3 minutes of my time? I do not understand that. Actually, I do, it is called GREED. I do NOT charge for training of animals. Because I do not charge for training of animals, I have met some VERY good people who were shocked that I did not charge. I have a few free buffs waiting for me, and a weaponsmith who is willing to do me some favors for my time. I would rather make friends than get a few credits from people. One of the best people I ever met is a Doc, I got her a Squall. I did not charge her a cent. What did I get out of it? 40,000 cred, AND once, I asked her if she could buff me. I was on Lok and in dire need of a buff as we were knee deep in fighting, she came out to Lok and buffed me. A very great person if I ever met one. Another person tipped me 10,000 to teach is pet basic commands when I was still learing the ropes.
What do we, as CH's need credits for? Think about it, what do we need them for? Armor? as a rifleman working on my skills, I rarely take any damage now, i am ONLY 0/1/0/2. I have a FULL suite of WOOK hunting armor that i carry with me, along with an armor repair tool for my current set, which is about 14,000 or so pts left on it. Do we need buffs? Played smartly, no. I have 4 mil in the bank now, I spent 400,000 on five 44.16 crafting stations for my guild.
Between mission payouts, and harvesting organic resources, I see no reason to be petty about our services. Also, how many of us are 0/0/3/0 Ranger? That Ranger ability allows us to track, I understand this comes in very handy for certain quests on Tat, and Jedi also find this skill useful. For those that do have that Ranger ability, charge for it.
First let me point out to everyone that I am not saying anything Velm said is wrong. Nor am I in any way saying he(she) or anyone else of the same mind should not think this way or act this way. Each of us follows their own path, though we may walk with a group we still follow only our own hearts.
Why should we charge for something that cost's us no resources? Several reasons:
1.) we earned it, it is we who spent the time to aquire the skills. It was our sweat not theirs.
2.) If it is a matter of resources then fine I will from now on expect all doctors and artisans to charge me only what it cost them to make their goods. They are no longer allowed to profit from their skills. Let me remind you that if they were not making money hand over fist you would not be getting paid 50cpu for Tatooinian wooly hide. So please don't try and accuse me of greed because I ask for 5k to train someone's pet 14 commands, plus name it.
3.) As you said it cost's us time, our time. And we should be paid for our time. We are not dancers who have little choice but to be standing inside a cantina to use our skills. We are stopping what we are doing in order to train. If you do this for free you are nto actually doing it for free. Nothing like this is free, you are doing it as a favor. Doing a person a favor is still charging them, if you are doing it for free then don't accept the gifts they give you. Give back the 50k that guy tipped you, and pay the doc for the buffs she gave you. Otherwise there is no space for you to stand tall about your not profitting from your skills. Those people paid you what they did because they recognise that your skills were useful and as such deserving of payment. I never insulted anyone for not charging prices, so please don't insult us because we may want to.
What do we as CH's need credits for? Sigh, this question perfectly illustrates the problem at hand. Since when was it decided that CH's are supposed to be vagabond peasant nomads begging for table scraps? We need money for the same reason everyone else does. And we are discussing charging alot less than other professions. The simple fact is that this universe has an economy. And in order to exist in this universe you have to be a part of that economy, otherwise you are a drain on it. While you feel comfortable harvesting hides for your money others do not. If I wanted to harvest hides for a living I would be a master scout or a ranger. I am a Creature Handler. I chose that to handle creatures not to skin creatures for profit.
People do what is in their desires to do. If a person wants to make their money by harvesting creatures no one can fault them for it. What seems to be forgotten by people alot is that the person who harvests hides also has no right to tell someone that making money by charging for a different service that they are wrong for doing it. If I and those who wish to join me want to organize a training base cost then it is our right. And to tell us we have no right to do it is a foolish insult that is an attempt to make another person believe what you believe. I am just tellign people what I think and rallying those who feel alike to join me in trying to change the way things are done. It is encouraged in this game to do exactly that. So please let's keep that in mind before you assume we do this out of greed. Greed is if we decide to refuse our services to anyone who wont pay us 1 million per tame and train. We only want equal treatment.
jopenack
Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:06 pm
#13
Here is a perfect example of why the ch community if only a shadow of what it once was.
What happenned to the place where opinions even if different were met with respect. Now we have insult and accusations as seen above.
Charging for something that takes a few minutes of your time. You must have steriods in your backpack last time I checked it takes quite a while to find tame then train any pet. As for mounts they take days to mature and my datapad is a commodity that no other profession has to worry about.
The fact you call us greedy means you have no ideawhat the people you speak of are like. I have given millions of credits away and I take insult at your comments.
This gentleman is trying to unite us in a sense. and he is right..
Why should a ch template have to have a combat support profession. maybe a ch/dancer and that person would like the ch half to be the bread earner. Your analogy means we are all meat farmers by choice lol sorry but its not true. I sell whatever I harvest for penny's on the bazaa since mostly new people look there and it helps them.
Why should we train a million credit be pet for free?? especially one that is in question about its even bieng created.
Smugglers charge for slicing and please the resources for slicing knives is not that much. but taken in bulk add up. our time when taken in bulk add up.
I paid 70k for a full suit of comp sliced on tempest. now tell me that it cost 50k in resources lmao "please"
I was being excessive up above except for the be non ch pets that I meant. there is nothing wrong with setting a price for ch services as other professions do. Like image designers. most professions have a price guide and people follow it or do not. that is your choice. But do not come here calling us greedy when our services have been free for well over a year and a half.
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