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Tycalibur

Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:11 pm

I noticed these two beasts being debated in terms of rarity on other threads, so I thought I would post this in a new thread as well, and share my experience with encountering the Kwis in the wild.

The Rhoa Kwi Guardian and the Rhoa Kwi Pack Leaders are not as rare as you might think. Finding a lair may be a challenge, but I hunt on Dathomir all the time and am constantly keeping my eyes out for them.

I already have a Pack Leader, I caught it two weeks ago by tapping a lair, but I thought at the time that it was a fluke. So, I set out again tonight to try and find myself the one I've always wanted....a Guardian.

Trying to debunk the rarity myth with the Rhoa Kwis was not as difficult as I thought.

However, I will say this before I make my point. A big Rhoa Kwi lair is a LOT more dangerous to take on than even an Enraged Rancor lair. Rhoa Kwis are fast, agile pack hunters, and if you don't have an effective pet or two to keep them busy, they will spawn 6 at a time once you hit the lair and kill you. All it takes is one ticked off Guardian or Pack Leader agroing on you.

Now for the good news. I got a Rhoa Kwi Guardian baby on the first lair tap. I killed the 4 adults methodically (my rancor was good at drawing them away from the lair),tapped the lair, waited patiently for everything in the lair to spawn, thenthe very last spawn was the baby. I thenwaited again for about 5 more minutes for the baby to wander away from the pack, and got it tamed after about 4 tries (then ran away like crazy). The special taming attachment on clothing really works great, because my older Pack Leader took 7 tries to tame at the Master CH level.

In short, they are in a way rare, but not as rare as people seem to think they are.But they do require care and safety if you want to tame one of them. There is a great deal of danger involved, but imo, it is well worth the risk. Plus, being on Dathomir, there are other dangers...the very first Guardian baby I had a chance at taming was killed by a Nightsister Ranger that just happened to be nearby (I got revenge for that one :mad

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And they are well worth having. Their attack speed, power and resists rival the best bio-pets that I have in my dpad.

The main differences between the guardian and the pack leader are:

Pack Leader: CL50, 11K HAM, 2.0 Attack Speed, 380-470 Damage, Kinetic 35%, Energy 65%, Heat 60% (no other resists)

Guardian: CL45, 11.3K HAM, 2.0 Attack Speed, 320-350 Damage, Kinetic 40%, Energy 65%, Heat 80%, Acid 15%, Blast 30%, Stun 30%,Restraint 30%, Cold 30%, Electricity 30%

Many pros and cons to both, the trade off is the Pack Leader hits harder but is more vulnerable to certain attacks, whereas the Guardian has lower hit damage, but more HAM to spare and higher resists all across the board. Plus with a Guardian, which is level 45, you can have one of those out and up to a level 25 creature like a GSP out at the same time.

I realize I could have lucked out on both tries, but considering how easy it was once I found a lair and got some help, it didn't take me long at all. It just takes a methodical approach and patience, imo.

Okay, enough ranting, I just thought I would share my experience with catching these in the wild. I think they're great. Oh, and one final footnote, they grow to adult size FAST, faster than any higher level creature I've seen! My Pack Leader was fully grown in three days.

Tycalibur Bakado -- Master Rifleman/Master Creature Handler
Student of the Force - RotJ
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Tycalibur Haruhara -- MCH/MBH
High Council Member, Galactic CH Guild
Radiant Server

bdant

Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:04 pm

#2

How much are the guardians selling for? Ijusttamed one toniteone and was not sure how rare it was.

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OdiousEncounter

Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:42 pm

#3

I never thought the guardians were that rare. I've tamed one on dath, and passed at least 2 babies by.

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brainstuff

Fri Apr 02, 2004 4:22 am

#4

I guess I was pretty lucky getting my guardian too - was on my way to a gaping spider mission for insect meat, and it was just sat there not far (but far enough

) to 2 adult kwis...stored one of my pets, masked scent, strolled up and tamed it first go! The little bugger was stooooooopid though - many of the commands took 5 or 6 attempts to get it to learn. Gonna be a right little hardnut when he grows up - 2 specials and (I think) a ranged attack.

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ArmAvan

Fri Apr 02, 2004 4:45 am

#5

You should point out that the Pack leader has light armour, making it's resistances waay more effective. i was always uner the impression that Guardians are not-so-rare, whereas the Pack leader is a true rare. I tamed a Guardian on my first lair, my Pack leader I got in a trade for a Prowling Gurreck.

Arm Avan'kaa,
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Tycalibur

Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:47 am

#6

Brainstuff -- I think the 'idea' behind pets being harder to train (when you get the message "Your pet doesn't seem to understand you") means that the pet is supposed to be 'harder to earn respect from'. The higher level the pet, the more this is the case, at least for WILD pets. I've never had a problem training the bio-pets in all the commands. Yes, I thought the rancors were bad (4 tries on some commands), until I got my Pack Leader (5 or 6 tries per command)....annoying, to say the least.

Watch your Pack Leader when you tell it to Attack. It gets this really arrogant look on its face as if itssaying "Oh brother, again?", then turns to run away from you and into the attack. LOL

ArmAvan -- Yes, thanks for reminding me of that, the Pack Leader has a Light Armor rating, where the Guardian has an armor rating of none. I still don't know about the rarity of the Pack Leader, I may have gotten lucky the night I caught mine, because I went after a Guardian as I said, it was killed by a Nightsister. After killing the Nightsister, I went to the same lair and tapped it and got a Pack Leader. This time the adults agroed on me (I got so excited I forgot to unequip my gun), so that Pack Leader wound up getting killed by me by default attack, because my T21 was equipped. A few minutes later I came back and found a 2nd lair, tapped it, and out came another Pack Leader. If it is your experience that the Pack Leader is a rare, then maybe I was just horrendously lucky that night.

A little off topic: I've noticed a bug with the Pack Leader, it gets stuck easily on foliage and trees when following you on foot. I've had to go back and get my Pack Leader several times, I'll have to double ALL the way back completely BEHIND whatever it is it gets stuck on, and have it follow me the opposite direction to get it 'unstuck'. Could be a size issue, but I doubt it. Regardless, no other pet I've had has had this problem so badly.

Tycalibur Bakado -- Master Rifleman/Master Creature Handler
Student of the Force - RotJ
Naritus Server
Tycalibur Haruhara -- MCH/MBH
High Council Member, Galactic CH Guild
Radiant Server

Hasara

Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:57 am

#7

Do these beasts tend to be found in a particular area on Dath? I've been doing quite a bit of exploration and searching for gaping spider recluses and other babies, and haven't seen any kwis other than the regular batch of injured/females/etc. No rhoa sightings.

ArmAvan

Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:07 am

#8

Hasara wrote:
Do these beasts tend to be found in a particular area on Dath? I've been doing quite a bit of exploration and searching for gaping spider recluses and other babies, and haven't seen any kwis other than the regular batch of injured/females/etc. No rhoa sightings.

I found my Guardian on the island way at the north of the map.

And regarding Kwis getting stuck, there have been reports of Cu Pa mounts getting stuck in stupid places too, are they the same skeleton model? In which case there seems to be a problem with it. The CuPa problem probably wasn't noticed before, since it has only recently become a popular pet.

Arm Avan'kaa,
Bio-Engineer 3 2 4 4:
Master Creature Handler:
Carbineer 0 0 3 1

Tycalibur

Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:18 am

#9

All the babies I have found have been Southwest of Science Outpost, between 1000-2000m.

It is hard scouting Dath with no Ranger skills, because you can wind up in a sea of red and not even have time to target and examine what's around you.

Tycalibur Bakado -- Master Rifleman/Master Creature Handler
Student of the Force - RotJ
Naritus Server
Tycalibur Haruhara -- MCH/MBH
High Council Member, Galactic CH Guild
Radiant Server

ArmAvan

Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:21 am

#10

Tycalibur wrote:
It is hard scouting Dath with no Ranger skills, because you can wind up in a sea of red and not even have time to target and examine what's around you.

A landspeeder is your friend; fast enough for the quick getaway, slow enough to allow beasties to spawn.

Arm Avan'kaa,
Bio-Engineer 3 2 4 4:
Master Creature Handler:
Carbineer 0 0 3 1

Tycalibur

Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:23 am

#11

Yes, it is. Good for creature taming/grinding CH too.

However, as a Rifleman I have to watch it...I have low action, low health but a high mind.

Nightsisters can tank me quite fast.

Tycalibur Bakado -- Master Rifleman/Master Creature Handler
Student of the Force - RotJ
Naritus Server
Tycalibur Haruhara -- MCH/MBH
High Council Member, Galactic CH Guild
Radiant Server

misfitd0g

Fri Apr 02, 2004 2:34 pm

#12

i do agree with you on the fact that rhoa kwi pack leaders and rhoa kwi guardians arenot being that rare at all to find !

i have also mentioned in the past that i think gaping spider queens should not be considered rare either as they are just as easy or easier to find then the kwi....but everyone says they are hard to find , dunno why lol i have solded over 2 dozen of these spiders now (if where gonna keep it rare then alright , more money for me to make i guess lol) if your on sunrunner and cannot find these guys give me a in game tell , i can get ya one , or help you find one.....take it easy all WEELOO

Ninja007

Sun May 02, 2004 1:45 am

#13

I got TWO prowling gurreks tonight on Lowca when I wasn't even looking for them (was after regular gurreks, which were much much harder to find even adults for). I killed about 20 prowlers to get the two babies, in 3 different static spawns. I only found a few gurreks, period, & no babies. Just goes to show you...in a totally random system like this, anything can happen.

I am willing to bet that these abovementioned pets are al lthe SAME rarity (chance to spawn), with adjustments made for the fact that lair-dwelling types are obviously a bit easier to get, even moreso if they are found in mission terms. In a giant, all-server, many-player, many-month view, they would all be equally common. We just can't see that big picture.

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