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Thread: You know ch is not the only one in the boat.
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Dodece
Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:37 pm
#1
First time I came to this board I got a couple rows in ch. Just a couple days ago. Anyway it seems like every board I go to I hear gripeing and moaning about how bad we are nerfed. So I thought it would be good to list off those nerfed.
Scout how they managed to nerf this one is so beyond me. The best part is they did it by robbing the cupboard. Everytime someone wanted something better for their profession. They robbbed poor little old scout. Hey you want to be the only food guy in town chef. Sure we will just nerf foraged food. Now scout food is like fastfood that someone wiped their butt with. woe there I dont want none of that sosi stuff. You know what they make that from. Camps home away from home. When home is only a two minute drive away, and imagine all you can do with a .75 heal factor and no bf healing. You know we really needed to be able to get on a speeder anywhere at any time. Camps are like betas you are shocked to see it and once your realize what it is your shocked that someone went to the trouble. Traps the lost art of modifying an opponents stat to something that benefits you not at all. After all bhs really need to drop the melee defense on those critters. Oh here is the best one of all terrain negotiation for those times where you need to climb off a mount or off a speeder to climb steep hills. The poor hunter did not even ever get his multiple harvest.
Artisan these poor little guys they can make everything garbage. Grand total of worthwhile things they can make drumrole please powerups vehicles and small electronics modules oh my. Be fair guys if we got screwed with the lowly a set of rewards. We would pick our hands up press them to out chin and the back of our head, and snap our necks.
Master marksman oh these poor devils. Three weapons trees and they suck at them all. The only people that master this profession are those that need to. Heck they do not even hide truly killer mods in the masters box. If they did then maybe riflemen carbineers smugglers pistoleers would take mastering it seriously.
Medic you got firstaid 2 and stim bs the rest is garbage. Boo if you want to you know I am right. 4 organic chems. Wow I can 200 point stim bs. and all that takes is hunting down tattoine fiberplast talusian water lokian wheat and dantooine berries, or I could save the money go buy a crate of stim bs with 434 heals, and be happy. The wound packs. Oh those things that every novice can use, or buy. Makeing those is a definate plus right. After all people can just use tend wound while in any one of the wonderful fifty med cantinas in the galaxy, and if that dont work thats what they made med droids for.
Architect What do I do now everyone has got harvesters and houseing. Need I say more.
Bounty hunter LLC is short for last life chance. This is agreat idea a gun that misses 7 out of ten times unless you are 45 meters off at which point you cannot use its specials. The carbine tree was nerfed to hell months ago the pistol has wonderful shots that would work if that guy with the big stick were not buffed able to insta knock me down and do 1500 point damage hits on my punk azz that has no melee mitigation at all, but what do I care I get to hunt jedi that have ninety five percent ranged mitigation. Well I guess I better go be a guy with the big stick, because right now he spends half the points I do and he can kick mine and the jedis posteriors.
I guess the point of this is in the game its not the chs that are uber nerfed. Its that some profession need to be uber nerfed. All the melee needs to be uber nerfed. As do riflmen and doctors and chefs. Anyone dominateing either the crafting field or the combat field is doing so because they have an unfair advantage.
Hopefully the combat rebalance will fix this stuff especially the crack down on armors and buffs. The speed formula takeing away speed mods that made the weapons speed mods useless. The specials ham pools makeing it so a person cannot spam indefinately. I really hope that the block moves get put in right. So these tka pikemen swordmen fencers. Cannot just stand infront of something and let the game do it for them. If they do not block at attack I want to see something hit them hard enough to make them smart seven ways from sunday.
By the way those uber level 10 pets last I checked were exploit pets. Fashioned by useing a bug in the game. That let people multislice the armor and guns, or the bug that let people walk into houses and then into space where they could invisible and kill everyone, or here is a good one useing the eject command to pop yourself into locked structures. So you could rob people. This one I thought was hilarious seeing a guy walking out of a locked house not his own, and hearing the owner later that day crying that someone stole their pet such and such from their locked house.
Anyway just like the guns and armor. I am sure once the exploit is fixed the devs and csrs will go about removeing them from the game. The problem is that most people do not exploit this. I suppose that is a good thing, and yet sad at the same time. If its not overly exploited then its not causeing alot of damage. Which means the devs and csrs will work on removeing items that do cause more damage. My alt is a mws and I can tell you after the devs and csrs thought they cinched up the last multislice cheat. They went on a rampage trying to clear them out of the game. The first three days after that post a ton of weaponsmiths talked about how they got on and read a message that so many such and such weapons had been removed. There were probabally a ton more that said nothing because they knew their guns were exploit, or they had no exploit weapons and never realized the csrs went to town in their avatars.
The problem with most exploits is people never know when to call it quits and walk away a winner. Just like the guy who had to had to money dupe one more time, or the guy that needed to trip a krayt over a harvester just one last time. In the end the greed gets them. These people will still use exploit pets even after the devs post the fix on it, and they will even more foolishly take it to the most visible places. Disassociated resists are good in my book. After all as a bh I knew when I saw a grawl mauler that it was llc time. I knew the weakness by heart. Now I take the minute to check before I attack. The level ten ten k ham nonsense. Is an exploit and every honest BE I knew left the profession over it. Decideing they did not want to cheat to get ahead. All we can do is wait till it gets to the top of their to do list, but right now is it really depriveing anyone here of anything or the community as a whole. Buffs make everyone a tank anyway. So someone getting an exploit tanks dosent really matter. Whereas the guy useing an exploit to fashion limited schematic weapons, or the bugs blowing jedi missions for bh, or armors giveing resists that they should not. Well those things are inbalanceing the game, and are causeing damage. From the guy being able to make 50 scythes to the fact that bh cannot hunt jedi and balance their rankings. To the armor giveing funky resists. Hmm this armor I got is a 94 percent resist. I thought 80 was the cap, and for some reason two peices of my ubese armor have completely decayed, and I never wore them or clone decayed them once.
Aakhperkare
Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:23 pm
#2
Everyone is taking a backseat to Jedi right now. I think we should revolt, heh...
BlindTyldak
Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:19 pm
#3
Yeah, we know . . . you forgot Pikemen and Smuggler and Squad Leader, too. 
No one is saying that we're the worst off . . . I just think that we're the ones who went from an overpowered profession to a profession that worked pretty darn well to one that is now fubared. They should have stopped when the stopping was good, lol.
No one is saying that we're the worst off . . . I just think that we're the ones who went from an overpowered profession to a profession that worked pretty darn well to one that is now fubared. They should have stopped when the stopping was good, lol.
P9M
Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:55 pm
#4
Dodece,
Here is the deal. I am quitting just so you can understand my tone. Whining? Nope. Demanding? Yes. The Devs flat out misrepresented our nerf. We were told Masters would not be affected. But they threw the Combat Rebalance on us. This affected us.
So you have gotten two whole boxes in 2 days. That is good. I will not lessen that. But you must consider some of us have been Masters since the Nerf. Waiting for a Combat Reblance. So when you say that we are not the only ones, you lessen are ordeal. You claim that we are all the same. In fact, we are not. We were promised the Combat Revamp would be around Jan or Feb. So we have now been neutered for some 5-6 months longer than we should have been. That is a grand total of 7 whole months.
We may be in the same boat, but we know the boat is sinking while you are asleep in the lifeboat. You have nothing invested in CH yet. Some of us have been CH for OVER a year now. There are even fewer left that have 8+ months as master.
It is always the new guy on the job that says something is easy. But when he has been there toiling for the same time as the Veterans, he too is worn down. New guys should bust their humps to get things done. But you do not even understand the mission. If you want to rant about ranters that is your option. Do not demean me or others by lessening what we have done and what we will do for CH.
You want a nice forum go to the scouts. You want to hang here you better read up.
And to finish just because your perspective allows you to say something is not so bad, it does not make it right or fair.
Here is the deal. I am quitting just so you can understand my tone. Whining? Nope. Demanding? Yes. The Devs flat out misrepresented our nerf. We were told Masters would not be affected. But they threw the Combat Rebalance on us. This affected us.
So you have gotten two whole boxes in 2 days. That is good. I will not lessen that. But you must consider some of us have been Masters since the Nerf. Waiting for a Combat Reblance. So when you say that we are not the only ones, you lessen are ordeal. You claim that we are all the same. In fact, we are not. We were promised the Combat Revamp would be around Jan or Feb. So we have now been neutered for some 5-6 months longer than we should have been. That is a grand total of 7 whole months.
We may be in the same boat, but we know the boat is sinking while you are asleep in the lifeboat. You have nothing invested in CH yet. Some of us have been CH for OVER a year now. There are even fewer left that have 8+ months as master.
It is always the new guy on the job that says something is easy. But when he has been there toiling for the same time as the Veterans, he too is worn down. New guys should bust their humps to get things done. But you do not even understand the mission. If you want to rant about ranters that is your option. Do not demean me or others by lessening what we have done and what we will do for CH.
You want a nice forum go to the scouts. You want to hang here you better read up.
And to finish just because your perspective allows you to say something is not so bad, it does not make it right or fair.
Dodece
Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:07 am
#5
Most everyone is waiting for the rebalance except for those in overpowered professions. Now is it wrong for someone who has mastered marksman scout bounty hunter medic artisan weaponsmith smuggler to chime in. I do not think so. The combat rebalance has been delayed a long time, but from what I have heard of the rebalance I am very impressed. It is not like they are just nerfing everything to hell. They are actually doing away with most of the combat system.
Lets break down how everyone fights now shall we. You go get eighty percent composite armor. Next you go get doctors buffs. You make sure you had vasarian brandy on you. Once your buffed you can put on the armor. Now you go out to do 30 thousand credit missions. You reach the target you pull out your weapon of choice. If you have a pet send it out. Now you spam power shots. Now that you are super buffed it dosent matter how many you use your bars will hardly move. Now that your makeing thirty k a mission you can also afford to powerup your gun and have it sliced, because you can afford a new gun every day.
The combat rebalance means that one buffs will not be this strong. Doctor and food buffs getting heavily cut will atleast remove this defacto god mode. Next no more eighty percent composite armor. This is so sick its sad. A armor that made someone only suffer 400 points of damage per 2000 point hit. Speed formulas revamped. So riflemen will not slice off 4 seconds with their guns, and the same with any profession that got rediculous speed mods on their weapons. Defenses are going to be more manual. That means less of this passive you character auto dodges nonsense. Specials will come from a specials pool not your life pool. A non buffable pool. Well that is just the major points but what does that mean for ch.
With decreased armor and buffs. CH pets will be on more even ground with players ham wise, and with reduced specials use the pet will last alot longer, or atleast eat up all your opponents specials. Everyone will be slower when it comes to weapons use. Good because now someone cannot use a fast pistol along with there speed mods. To put up 6000 damage in 30 seconds. Melee fighters will most likely have to hotkey blocks. Good because while they are blocking they are not hitting, and once they burn through the specials pool on that they should be alot like a ranged class.
Add in that range mods will matter after the rebalance. Gives a ch an opportunity to use a pet to maintain ranges, and if it pins down a riflemen you can be happy knowing that mister sniper gets a horrible to hit at that range. Anyway its a complete rework which is a good thing. Instead of just rodding nerfs. Which stole content from professions, and if they kept doing that nobody would be happy. In the end ninety percent of people have wander lust. So they just jump from old uber to new uber, and once new uber gets nerfed they go to a newer uber.
Anyway at least the ch tree allows the master to get major bonuses. That a dabbler like myself will not get. Here is what other masters get in their box. Master scout nothing. Master smuggler a higher percent on slices. Master bounty hunter spray shot. Just shows you that its quite unique that the devs really slammed the doors on dabblers, or did you like the idea that a novice ch could kick the masters rear in combat. The fact that you think you are major nerfed is a problem. Other professions got nerfed so bad its sad. Because I can plainly see the advantages of ch as a pve it might blow for the most part in pvp at the moment, but alot of professions blow in pvp at the moment when they come up against a swordsman tka riflemen combat medic.
Maybe you guys just got overspoiled from the early days. From what I have seen of ch it works relatively well. Not like my bh where I have a worthless carbine tree. A investigation tree with no bonuses. The llc that is so inacurate in pvp its an invitation to my death. Heck smugglers have an entire tree dedicated to talking jawa, and buying small ammounts of faction points. Not to mention the spice goldmine of theirs that is utterly worthless. When food beats spice on all fronts. Why would anyone use spice. The scout was robbed so often it literally has no value. Unless you pvp on hillsides.
Leasen your plight. Give me a break this is not a plight its a mild annoyance. Other professions actually have it worse then chs. Most of the ch nerf I agreed with and now that I have ch I still agree with it. No reason a ch should have five graul maulers out soloing a krayt dragon, and I do not think a cm pikemen and three tkas should be doing it either. I also do not think a pet should be so strong as to beat the tar out of me in pvp, and then leave me vuln to his master riflemen master. I can wait for the rebalance to perform, and while it wont put anyone in god mode. Alot of people should fall from that statas.
I agree that jedi got way too much freaking love.
raynedog
Sun Jul 11, 2004 8:40 am
#6
The Dev's have already stated that the starting Profs are not going to change very much. That there isn't very much reason to put content into novice skills when the Elite skills need so much work. As far as foraging goes for scout, i'm sure if you search the boards, I think in the 20 questions posts, you'll see what i mean.
The main thing that erks CH is we got CB way before anyone else then ignored basicly. All this while each publish outside of mounts takes tameable pets away from us or breaks a CH mechanic. We have mounts, awsome, who uses them.........basicly no one. So we aren't griping for the sake of it, we just want to be brought back into the fold as a skill tree worth using.
And yes I think CB will help a ton, in fact it's basicly our only hope.
BlindTyldak
Sun Jul 11, 2004 8:47 am
#7
*rolls her eyes* You should have stopped when you had a simple point to make . . . believe me, you just proved you don't know what you're talking about. Oh well, sorry I said anything.
Dodece wrote:
Most everyone is waiting for the rebalance except for those in overpowered professions. Now is it wrong for someone who has mastered marksman scout bounty hunter medic artisan weaponsmith smuggler to chime in. I do not think so. The combat rebalance has been delayed a long time, but from what I have heard of the rebalance I am very impressed. It is not like they are just nerfing everything to hell. They are actually doing away with most of the combat system.
Lets break down how everyone fights now shall we. You go get eighty percent composite armor. Next you go get doctors buffs. You make sure you had vasarian brandy on you. Once your buffed you can put on the armor. Now you go out to do 30 thousand credit missions. You reach the target you pull out your weapon of choice. If you have a pet send it out. Now you spam power shots. Now that you are super buffed it dosent matter how many you use your bars will hardly move. Now that your makeing thirty k a mission you can also afford to powerup your gun and have it sliced, because you can afford a new gun every day.
The combat rebalance means that one buffs will not be this strong. Doctor and food buffs getting heavily cut will atleast remove this defacto god mode. Next no more eighty percent composite armor. This is so sick its sad. A armor that made someone only suffer 400 points of damage per 2000 point hit. Speed formulas revamped. So riflemen will not slice off 4 seconds with their guns, and the same with any profession that got rediculous speed mods on their weapons. Defenses are going to be more manual. That means less of this passive you character auto dodges nonsense. Specials will come from a specials pool not your life pool. A non buffable pool. Well that is just the major points but what does that mean for ch.
With decreased armor and buffs. CH pets will be on more even ground with players ham wise, and with reduced specials use the pet will last alot longer, or atleast eat up all your opponents specials. Everyone will be slower when it comes to weapons use. Good because now someone cannot use a fast pistol along with there speed mods. To put up 6000 damage in 30 seconds. Melee fighters will most likely have to hotkey blocks. Good because while they are blocking they are not hitting, and once they burn through the specials pool on that they should be alot like a ranged class.
Add in that range mods will matter after the rebalance. Gives a ch an opportunity to use a pet to maintain ranges, and if it pins down a riflemen you can be happy knowing that mister sniper gets a horrible to hit at that range. Anyway its a complete rework which is a good thing. Instead of just rodding nerfs. Which stole content from professions, and if they kept doing that nobody would be happy. In the end ninety percent of people have wander lust. So they just jump from old uber to new uber, and once new uber gets nerfed they go to a newer uber.
Anyway at least the ch tree allows the master to get major bonuses. That a dabbler like myself will not get. Here is what other masters get in their box. Master scout nothing. Master smuggler a higher percent on slices. Master bounty hunter spray shot. Just shows you that its quite unique that the devs really slammed the doors on dabblers, or did you like the idea that a novice ch could kick the masters rear in combat. The fact that you think you are major nerfed is a problem. Other professions got nerfed so bad its sad. Because I can plainly see the advantages of ch as a pve it might blow for the most part in pvp at the moment, but alot of professions blow in pvp at the moment when they come up against a swordsman tka riflemen combat medic.
Maybe you guys just got overspoiled from the early days. From what I have seen of ch it works relatively well. Not like my bh where I have a worthless carbine tree. A investigation tree with no bonuses. The llc that is so inacurate in pvp its an invitation to my death. Heck smugglers have an entire tree dedicated to talking jawa, and buying small ammounts of faction points. Not to mention the spice goldmine of theirs that is utterly worthless. When food beats spice on all fronts. Why would anyone use spice. The scout was robbed so often it literally has no value. Unless you pvp on hillsides.
Leasen your plight. Give me a break this is not a plight its a mild annoyance. Other professions actually have it worse then chs. Most of the ch nerf I agreed with and now that I have ch I still agree with it. No reason a ch should have five graul maulers out soloing a krayt dragon, and I do not think a cm pikemen and three tkas should be doing it either. I also do not think a pet should be so strong as to beat the tar out of me in pvp, and then leave me vuln to his master riflemen master. I can wait for the rebalance to perform, and while it wont put anyone in god mode. Alot of people should fall from that statas.
I agree that jedi got way too much freaking love.
DaBudo2
Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:59 am
#8
There are other professions in this game? Bah. Next you'll be telling me there are other races besides Bothens!
BlindTyldak
Sun Jul 11, 2004 10:17 am
#9
*whispers*
BothAns.
We're the only ones that count at least, because we're damn cute.
Dodece
Sun Jul 11, 2004 2:15 pm
#10
The simple point is very simple. They are not going to change any major mechanics in the combat system untill the rebalance. Heck they only gave the bhs what we got, because we were an out and out dieing class. The class I might point out is responsible for keeping jedi in line. So they had a choice just to outright conceed all the jedis to knight hood, and then we could call the game jedi wars.
It is kind of like installing a brand new engine in a car you are about to take to the junkyard. Alot of professions just like the ch got nerfed all to hell. Infact some professions got nerfed all to hell before the ch did. So if nothing is going to happen for a month and a half. Then what is the point of crying all over the place. In a month in a half how much of this will truely be applicable. For my part I would love to see them get the combat balance up rather then parceling out nerfs and counter nerfs. I would prefer to see the game get back to some sort of balance. I want group dynamics to come back. I want to see pvp start to pop back up. Instead of buffs and uber templates makeing people shy away from it. Heck I would love to see people investing in different kind of weapons and armor. Right now we have what 46 professions, and combat wise only a few are worth doing. Which is really sad, because every profession I have done has had such interesting twists and turns, and unique mechanics.
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Dodece
Sun Jul 11, 2004 2:17 pm
#11
rmoThe simple point is very simple. They are not going to change any major mechanics in the combat system untill the rebalance. Heck they only gave the bhs what we got, because we were an out and out dieing class. The class I might point out is responsible for keeping jedi in line. So they had a choice just to outright conceed all the jedis to knight hood, and then we could call the game jedi wars.
It is kind of like installing a brand new engine in a car you are about to take to the junkyard. Alot of professions just like the ch got nerfed all to hell. Infact some professions got nerfed all to hell before the ch did. So if nothing is going to happen for a month and a half. Then what is the point of crying all over the place. In a month in a half how much of this will truely be applicable. For my part I would love to see them get the combat balance up rather then parceling out nerfs and counter nerfs. I would prefer to see the game get back to some sort of balance. I want group dynamics to come back. I want to see pvp start to pop back up. Instead of buffs and uber templates makeing people shy away from it. Heck I would love to see people investing in different kind of weapons and armor. Right now we have what 46 professions, and combat wise only a few are worth doing. Which is really sad, because every profession I have done has had such interesting twists and turns, and unique mechanics.
We got eight armors and people only use one. We got around a hundred weapons, and people only make use of twenty. No ifs ands or buts. If the rebalance is the way to bring so much of this content back I am all for them putting the resources into doing that.
P9M
Sun Jul 11, 2004 8:46 pm
#13
Dodo,
I can see your point. You are new. If someone owed me 1000 bucks for 2 days I would not be angry. If someone owed it to me for a year, I would be LIVID. Forgive us if we are angry, we have been here longer.
They owe us.
I can see your point. You are new. If someone owed me 1000 bucks for 2 days I would not be angry. If someone owed it to me for a year, I would be LIVID. Forgive us if we are angry, we have been here longer.
They owe us.
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