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I completely agree. I know we keep getting told to wait for the CU, but people should not be able to get free SP like they are currently.

-kudali

.......taking bets on how long it takes a Imp with an At-St to post on this thread with the claim that thier faction pet doesn't at all step on the boundries of a CH.
BE level 10 pets/AT-ST's are just a small thing that makes CH feel like they are getting slighted. I think your example is great, how about a Faction Perk Rifle that I can only use aginst faction targets, and when it wears out it's gone, but with it I can do head shot 2, if i have RM skills or not.

Anyway, if I had to pick out of the two things I think something needs to be done about uber BE 10 pets before AT-ST, further more I think we really need to be honest and look around to see how they are really impacting the game. On my server, I don't see everyone out in combat with a level 10/10kHAM pet, so I'm not really sure how much and how often they are getting used. At-St is faction targets only so that helps a bit. What we really need IMO is just to make sure that as a MCH my pets could rip apart any level 10/10K pet, and have at least one pet that is a good counter for an AT.

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raynedog wrote:
.......taking bets on how long it takes a Imp with an At-St to post on this thread with the claim that thier faction pet doesn't at all step on the boundries of a CH.
BE level 10 pets/AT-ST's are just a small thing that makes CH feel like they are getting slighted. I think your example is great, how about a Faction Perk Rifle that I can only use aginst faction targets, and when it wears out it's gone, but with it I can do head shot 2, if i have RM skills or not.

Anyway, if I had to pick out of the two things I think something needs to be done about uber BE 10 pets before AT-ST, further more I think we really need to be honest and look around to see how they are really impacting the game. On my server, I don't see everyone out in combat with a level 10/10kHAM pet, so I'm not really sure how much and how often they are getting used. At-St is faction targets only so that helps a bit. What we really need IMO is just to make sure that as a MCH my pets could rip apart any level 10/10K pet, and have at least one pet that is a good counter for an AT.

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Ok I will be that imp.

For a whole whopping 30k fp (not including acquiring the rank to get one) I can get a faction pet that is rather good in the pve side of the GCW. However at the same time rather useless for hunting cause it just wont "fire till fired upon", I can outdamage one till the sun goes down, and weak kinetic resists. As a former MCH (dropped it before the nerf nuke hit) how that could step on the realm of the CH I, for the life of me, don't know. Just keep in mind that it was during that round of nerfs that everyone not CH regardless of rank was limited to one faction pet. AT-ST's I can see the point. Im a colonel however and I happen to think its gay that I would be limited to one storm trooper. Were it rank based then you would see me running around with a whole platoon of storm troopers for the coolness factor alone.

Uber BE 10 pets are rather useless for anything but hunting. They don't take blaster fire all that well cause they are vulnerable to 99% of the ranged weapons in the game. I have one of those "uber" pets. It's a bearded jax for show. How often have I used it? Once. 10k health is great but the 3k mind is its achilles heel. The alternative was the useless minor sludge panthers that were graciously bestowed upon me after that nerf. 800 ham and no resists....well that was a slap in the face.

But in case you haven't been keeping up on the times players make vastly superior tanks due to buffs,armor,defenses, and lastly weapons. Sure that will all go away in the CU and we will all be forced to group up for things like decay mite hunts on talus. But as for a renessance of the CH. Not likely.

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La-grange wrote:

Ok I will be that imp.

For a whole whopping 30k fp (not including acquiring the rank to get one) I can get a faction pet that is rather good in the pve side of the GCW. However at the same time rather useless for hunting cause it just wont "fire till fired upon", I can outdamage one till the sun goes down, and weak kinetic resists. As a former MCH (dropped it before the nerf nuke hit) how that could step on the realm of the CH I, for the life of me, don't know. Just keep in mind that it was during that round of nerfs that everyone not CH regardless of rank was limited to one faction pet. AT-ST's I can see the point. Im a colonel however and I happen to think its gay that I would be limited to one storm trooper. Were it rank based then you would see me running around with a whole platoon of storm troopers for the coolness factor alone.

Uber BE 10 pets are rather useless for anything but hunting. They don't take blaster fire all that well cause they are vulnerable to 99% of the ranged weapons in the game. I have one of those "uber" pets. It's a bearded jax for show. How often have I used it? Once. 10k health is great but the 3k mind is its achilles heel. The alternative was the useless minor sludge panthers that were graciously bestowed upon me after that nerf. 800 ham and no resists....well that was a slap in the face.

But in case you haven't been keeping up on the times players make vastly superior tanks due to buffs,armor,defenses, and lastly weapons. Sure that will all go away in the CU and we will all be forced to group up for things like decay mite hunts on talus. But as for a renessance of the CH. Not likely.

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theorb22 wrote:

It wouldn't be so sad if people on the sunrunner trade forums would stop auctioning them off for 1 million each as if they were some god-like critical success creation, the BE i like to buy pets from sells her TOP LEVEL CL 64-68ish pets for at the most 500k each and their REALLY good mind you, and even with the total lack of BE on our server selling a CL 10 monster for double the price of my most powerful CL 64ish pets is still very sad.

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Not that I am defending it, but you are either forgettign something or didn't know about it: making a non-ch "uber" pet like this is not at all easy. It is a very long process requiring alot of work. You have to realise it can take upwards of 40 DNA samples to accomplish a LvL10 pet like this. It will normally take 9-10 failures to find one good success. It also requires the sacrificing of alot of other pets the BE has made in order to double sample the required "lower class" DNA thatmakes the level drop so low. They are very labor intensive creations and are more art than science. It does not require Uber resources, just Uber knowledge.

I say this only in defense of the BE artists who create these things. I am sorry that it bothers you that they charge 1 million for them, but you charge what the market will bear. And in a game where people sell a piece of cloth with a +8 bonus on it for 10 million I do not think it is fair to call out a BE fro selling something they worked their butts off to make something and leaving out some looter who makes 10 times as much just shooting things.

And before anyone makes any assumptions about where I am coming from I will point out I have both been a BE making lvl10 pets and a looter who sells the very attachments I speak of. When in Rome.......

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No no no you don't understand, this WASN'T a BE selling the pet, this was some random player who was tired of his level 10 pet and decided to make a ginormous return off of it. I have indeed seen a couple CL10 creatures like it on vendors, but while admittidly not cheap, DEFINENTLY were not posted for the price of a million credits each.

I once went on a crusade to gain myself a really cool high level kimogila, ya know, has the most power and level possible and such, just because it seemed so "MCHish" at the time. I must of asked nearly 5 or 6 BE, all of whom had just retired, and they all gave me an estimate that if they used the BEST DNA possible and waited for the GREATEST successes, it would cost about 1.2-1.5 million due to the week or soof sampling involved.Keep in mind this is sunrunner, it's not exactly comparable to the Bria economy at all, in fact if I understand it correctly the difference between the worth of a brian credit and the worth of a credit on other servers is quite substantial.

But still, the point of this whole thread is that these pets, regardless of cost, are equivalent to 82 SP in CH terms. I don't know about you, but even if it does take an enormous amount of sampling to make these pets, a non-CH shouldn't be able to just go to a vendor and buy half the CH proffesion in one millioncredit or 500kcredit or whatever credit purchase, even if they aren't very affective, it is STILL purchasing half of our proffesion while still being able to take an extra 82 SP and use it on other proffesions. It might take a huge amount of work to make these pets, but can you really say that an extra 82 SP can really be explained away by the work involved?

Message Edited by theorb22 on 02-28-2005 04:56 PM