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Thread: upcoming changes
PlmCrazy wrote:
My only question: Will there be a NEED for entertainers in the future other than sparkly lights....??
Swoosh sticks, glow lights, fancy fans don't cut it... if I don't have a purpose in the game... make dancer a separate tree and let me get on with my skill points in another direction... I can come to the cantina in my spare time and dance to look pretty. Don't cheapen my profession or insult me by handing me a swoosh stick to placate me... I want substance back in the entertainment profession!
But just how needed is BF and BF healing? With BF still in the game, there is very little of it being accrued. It has no significantimpact on combat performance. Now that Doc buffs aren't what they were (& unneeded since armor encumberance has changed),BF has effectively become an artificial construct to compel players to visit cantinas. A role it doesn'treallyfulfill.
Personally, I'm willing to bet my entertainer characters' futures on the new Inspiration buffs we'll be getting rather than trying to maintain a dinosaur which is all but extinct.However, the feedback that I give to the devs will be what you guys tell me to give them.
Message Edited by Esharra on 06-26-2005 03:04 PM
Esharra wrote:
Exactly what I was going to check on as soon as I get home from work.
--Qilue-UCW-- wrote:
Nerfherders wrote:
I have a question about the change of exp from healing to dance.
I have maxed out all of my exp a long time ago, and wondeirng if when it switches, the exp will just go away? Ive been holding onto the dance exp in case i wanted to do force village stuff, but perhaps I need to use it now before the switch.
Porlly not, They removed BE crafting Cp, and I still have some of that from when I toyed around with BE
Now I never see BF in three digits without getting killed. The rate of accumulation must have been slowed.
Umi
Panthu wrote:
I think it's also worthwhile to mention that while tipping was always hinted at, we were never intended to have any real control over whether or not we received payment... this is because our "reward" was not seen as a normal game reward (income, loot) but was seen as the actual encounter with the other player (basically, the chatting itself).
*does double take* GAH? Entertainers were never expected to want to participate in the game economy? We were supposed to be "rewarded" just by havingpatrons chat with us? Surely I'm misunderstanding. Yes interaction makes all the difference in the cantina experience but I can't chat with my speeder to repair it nor can I tell my house an amusing anecdote to pay the maintenance.
Drygo, I have absolutely no way of knowing if someone is coming to me for BF healing or an inspiration buff. I can't /diagnose, and the majority of time they seem incapable of speech. I'm working on changing that but it's a slow process.
Panthu wrote:I think it's also worthwhile to mention that while tipping was always hinted at, we were never intended to have any real control over whether or not we received payment... this is because our "reward" was not seen as a normal game reward (income, loot) but was seen as the actual encounter with the other player (basically, the chatting itself).
I don't mean to call bull$%#@% on you Panthu, but during beta Holocron posted to the beta boards that he fully expected a good entertainer to be the wealthiest player in the game because we would be so in demand and have the most minimal of expenditures of any of the professions.
The fact is this profession was designed and implemented into the game for the very smallest part of the population. The group that didn't need as much developer time and attention but instead needed a good social circle to generate their own content. The kind of game player that holocron himself enjoys playing with.
Now, you and Esharra have been asking why some people are upset about changing the entertainer role from that of a post-gameplay stop to that of buff dispensing pre-gameplay stop, The answer is VERY simple and one that a lot of you who realy don't like interacting with the people who tip you won't understand. People who come to you pre-gameplay are in a hurry to get to their fun. They are MORE likely to be annoyed that you are bantering and trying to be entertaining than those players that have already got what they wanted out of their game play and are ready for a little change of pace anyway.
Now to address your point about how battle fatigue isn't doing anythig right now... Well if that's the case then leaving it in the game as is won't hurt anyone and it'll leave enough of the post-gameplay players seeing the entertainers like Sirii that those of you who would rather set yourself up as a bot so you can role play lesbian relationships or make movies about yor fellow dancers and musicians can continue to do so. Everyone stays happy and no one's game play is slowly erased.
The key issue is and will always be; Post-gameplay vs Pre-gameplay.
Just interested in how an Entertainer is supposed make money under your very interesting(and flawed) idea of the profession? Do they look for coins left on the floor or something?
Panthu wrote:
I think it's also worthwhile to mention that while tipping was always hinted at, we were never intended to have any real control over whether or not we received payment... this is because our "reward" was not seen as a normal game reward (income, loot) but was seen as the actual encounter with the other player (basically, the chatting itself).
STOP asking for my post to get removed. There is a reason I saved this, because I am fully aware that a few certain people on these boards want something to happen and have power, therefore, when others speak up, it is squashed. There is nothing at all offensive in my post and try it again, I'll start my own thread with it posted there. Here:
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BF has not decreased, I assure you this. Try going out and PvP'ing or doing some different content than what your daily routine consists of and I'm sure you will notice the effects. Just because two people here don't notice it is not really a big indication of whether it is an impact or not. And as someone else pointed out above, how does leaving BF in the game hinder what you do at all? Why not leave it in and let Entertainers have an ADDITIONAL reason for being in this game. Where is the logic in removing BF...it does not make you more useful at all, it just simply moves you away from the rest of the playerbase, which is apparently what our wonderful corr and her followers want. You guys really don't understand that soon enough, you all will be left alone in your private cantinas doing absolutely nothing but entertaining each other, right? People aren't going to come out of their way for nothing just to see you...that's something you need to realize. Not everyone wants to roleplay with their 5 friends that hop on to each server for some event. Some people play this game to feel USEFUL and have a purpose rather than just spout off their odd sense of superiority.
Let BF stay...it does not harm your gameplay at all and only enhances ours. It actually does serve a great deal in combat now. Esharra, can you even tell me what BF does now besides buffing for docs? Do you have a clue? I really don't think you do. It's more than just that and I'll wait for your response to see if you know as little as I think you do.
This is the last chance every Entertainer is going to get in becoming useful in this game again. It's everyone's choice here whether we allow the profession to turn into the pinaccle of uselessness and let the small minority that dominates these forums push it into play, or whether we stop the non-sense and demand that things like additional combat buffs be put BACK into the game. There is no reason that the wound healing line could not be transformed into something that allows an Entertainer to buff things like accuracy, defenses, etc. I would much prefer that than walking into Bestine cantina and seeing Entertainers jabbering at each other (the 1 or 2 that will be left) and crafting toys for one another. I really will hate to see that day happen.
One final piece of advice: When you want to fix a profession, you do not take things away. You ENHANCE or ADD NEW ONES. Does this make sense? Build something up, not tear it down.
Reachwind wrote:
Now, you and Esharra have been asking why some people are upset about changing the entertainer role from that of a post-gameplay stop to that of buff dispensing pre-gameplay stop, The answer is VERY simple and one that a lot of you who realy don't like interacting with the people who tip you won't understand. People who come to you pre-gameplay are in a hurry to get to their fun. They are MORE likely to be annoyed that you are bantering and trying to be entertaining than those players that have already got what they wanted out of their game play and are ready for a little change of pace anyway.
This is precisely why Inspirations persistacross logons and last for so long. When a player logs on to the game, s/he wants to play his game..not our's. Players can get them during their downtime and have them when they next log on. Any smart ATK entertainer will do as I have been doing and explain this to their customers.
Now to address your point about how battle fatigue isn't doing anythig right now... Well if that's the case then leaving it in the game as is won't hurt anyone and it'll leave enough of the post-gameplay players seeing the entertainers like Sirii
So it would be better to leave in something that has essentially ceased to function as the system stands now, so that some dancers can have a pretention of being useful at removing something that..well..basically, no longer matters?
that those of you who would rather set yourself up as a bot so you can role play lesbian relationships or make movies about yor fellow dancers and musicians can continue to do so. Everyone stays happy and no one's game play is slowly erased.
Pete..sometimes you make some good points. I do wish that you wouldn't follow them up with crazy statements whichonly succeed in negating your impact. Btw..nice to have you back. I'm looking forward to sparring with you when I'm able to get away with it again.
I didn't ask that your post be removed. In fact, I was replying to it when I found it was no longer here. But you know..nothing I could possibly say, no matter my experiences as a gamer, will change your condescension toward me & my opinions so I'm not going to even bother.
JediMasterKai wrote:
STOP asking for my post to get removed.
Message Edited by Esharra on 06-27-2005 11:52 AM
JediMasterKai wrote:
STOP asking for my post to get removed. There is a reason I saved this, because I am fully aware that a few certain people on these boards want something to happen and have power, therefore, when others speak up, it is squashed. There is nothing at all offensive in my post and try it again, I'll start my own thread with it posted there. Here:
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BF has not decreased, I assure you this. Try going out and PvP'ing or doing some different content than what your daily routine consists of and I'm sure you will notice the effects. Just because two people here don't notice it is not really a big indication of whether it is an impact or not. And as someone else pointed out above, how does leaving BF in the game hinder what you do at all? Why not leave it in and let Entertainers have an ADDITIONAL reason for being in this game. Where is the logic in removing BF...it does not make you more useful at all, it just simply moves you away from the rest of the playerbase, which is apparently what our wonderful corr and her followers want. You guys really don't understand that soon enough, you all will be left alone in your private cantinas doing absolutely nothing but entertaining each other, right? People aren't going to come out of their way for nothing just to see you...that's something you need to realize. Not everyone wants to roleplay with their 5 friends that hop on to each server for some event. Some people play this game to feel USEFUL and have a purpose rather than just spout off their odd sense of superiority.
Let BF stay...it does not harm your gameplay at all and only enhances ours. It actually does serve a great deal in combat now. Esharra, can you even tell me what BF does now besides buffing for docs? Do you have a clue? I really don't think you do. It's more than just that and I'll wait for your response to see if you know as little as I think you do.
This is the last chance every Entertainer is going to get in becoming useful in this game again. It's everyone's choice here whether we allow the profession to turn into the pinaccle of uselessness and let the small minority that dominates these forums push it into play, or whether we stop the non-sense and demand that things like additional combat buffs be put BACK into the game. There is no reason that the wound healing line could not be transformed into something that allows an Entertainer to buff things like accuracy, defenses, etc. I would much prefer that than walking into Bestine cantina and seeing Entertainers jabbering at each other (the 1 or 2 that will be left) and crafting toys for one another. I really will hate to see that day happen.
One final piece of advice: When you want to fix a profession, you do not take things away. You ENHANCE or ADD NEW ONES. Does this make sense? Build something up, not tear it down.
I dont think ive had more than 30 BF since the CU. /shrug