Creature Handler Archive
Thread: CU Observations: The good, the bad, and the ugly
hmm ok i'll try again heh
but yes, they would only be about cl 54. but it has nothing to do with weapon equiped or anything. What i'm saying is the levels you got above 54 are the addition of another profession. Bascially, if you wanted to test just pets, it would have been much more accurate by using them against just a master ranger, with no other prof. He would have been the same levelas a master creature handler (just pets). See what i'm saying yet? Even then, a ranger might still beat just a MCH without the MCH giving any help. But i'm not really sure about that. But to accuratly test the pets on thier own, you would have to fight them against something under 60 to even get a remotely accurate test.
dcbobo wrote:hmm ok i'll try again heh
but yes, they would only be about cl 54. but it has nothing to do with weapon equiped or anything. What i'm saying is the levels you got above 54 are the addition of another profession. Bascially, if you wanted to test just pets, it would have been much more accurate by using them against just a master ranger, with no other prof. He would have been the same level as a master creature handler (just pets). See what i'm saying yet? Even then, a ranger might still beat just a MCH without the MCH giving any help. But i'm not really sure about that. But to accuratly test the pets on thier own, you would have to fight them against something under 60 to even get a remotely accurate test.
Which means that the answer is "NO ... pets do NOT take their combat level when grouped from the highest-level member of the group .... they take it only from the combat level of the CH controlling them, up to a max of 54."
Which means .... in any meaningful PvP they would be less powerful than ever, because they would still do pitiful damage output, get knocked out of the fight easily, but now they also lack their specials.
It's clear as mud and that's not your fault ....
KzinKiller wrote:
I *do* have another profession, I'm an MCH/Master Pistol ... my combat level is 80. If the pets aren't taking THAT level from me in Combat, then where *are* they getting their combat level from?
It's clear as mud and that's not your fault ....
Well, it bares some research, but either the pets are using thier own levels, or they are using the group level (ie your level when grouped). To this point we have some conflicting reports on this, but it should be easy to test. I'll do this at some point.
I'll take a low level pet and send it agaisnt something of a set level and watch its damage, (both given and recieved). Then I'll group, raising its apparent level and send it in against the exact same critter. That should indicate which way is true.
I think the person talking about the cl80 characters vs pets is saying that you can't compare just pets to a cl80 character because the pets themselves are the weapons of a cl54 character (if you didn't use any other combat skills in the fight). So he is just trying to compare how good a MCH is compared to another combat class. That's not realy what I was after, I'm just trying to find out what effect grouping and CL has on creature performance.
Galacium wrote:
I think the person talking about the cl80 characters vs pets is saying that you can't compare just pets to a cl80 character because the pets themselves are the weapons of a cl54 character (if you didn't use any other combat skills in the fight). So he is just trying to compare how good a MCH is compared to another combat class. That's not realy what I was after, I'm just trying to find out what effect grouping and CL has on creature performance.
Thanks Gal. What's unclear there is the 'if you diidn't use any other combat skills' part .... if I'm combat level 80 because of my MCH/Pistol template, it seems absurd that I could be lower than 80 depending on which attacks I'm using.
Not that absurdity would be any bar to that being the way it actually works, mind you.
yah Galacium you got it!
If I understand correctly you are wondering if damage mitigations for and from pets are affected by your total level. No, not in the way you're thinking. They may get some...but not enough to help or even tell from what i've seen.
Experiments
I went and did a few experiments today. I was trying to determine the effect of pet and character level on pet performance and XP. The results were not too encouraging I'm afraid.
Experiment #1. I used a cl 19 pet agaisnt a cl 34 mob both grouped and ungrouped
Results: Damage to the pet and damage from the pet were identical grouped or not, so these things are definately tied to the pet level and not the group level.
Experiment #2: Use small pets to kill a CL54 mob and use a big pet to kill a level 54 mob, then try both things grouped.
Results: XP gain is exactly the same in all situations. This tells me CH xp is based only on your owncombat level and not on the pet levels as it used to be.
Experiment #3: Try grouping with a higher level pet. I grouped with a CL 68 pet I had
Result: The group level was still my level 61, so the pet levels do not effect the group level at all.
Experiment #4: Using the same MOBS I used the two pet actions (Enrage and Embolden)
Result: Enrage increased damage by about 15% and the pet suffered no apparent drawback (damage to the pet was the same enraged or not); Embolden added around 15% HAM to the pet wtih no apparent draw back.
Observation: With a given pet and a given MOB, damage was almost always uniform. So my pet always hit for the same ammount and always took the same ammount of damage. Pets with ranged attacks did different ammounts of damage with their ranged attacks than with thier mele attacks. (probably due to damage type)