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Thread: Another This is how I would change CH thread
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jopenack
Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:04 pm
#27
if pets are only supposed to be used for combat then why are there lil baby rasp and durni's correlian butterflies and not to mention non ch pets lvl 10 and under.
your problem is you look at ch are are predjudice when comparing them to droids.
thats your first problem they are not droids and should not be compared.
ch can be a marketable and very lucrative buisness as it was in 03, as a matter of fact in 2003 ch sales far outnumbered droid sales. since droids were useless back then, however since the ch nerf and the droid revamp the opposite has happened. does it now mean ch are out of buisness. no only if they let themselves.
image designers do not craft but have a good buisness ch are closer to them in services provided than most but it does not mean we aren't a merchantile buisness if we choose to be.
you are just playingon words because you feel threatened by the ch class in general. look in the bazaa you will see pet slots (non deed pet slots) at one time before this game was launched the devs put a spot in the bazaa for live tamed pets. they just never activated it.
now stop whining and try and get along with us all lol
P9M
Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:28 pm
#28
Nelly,
You are right. There is not much you can legitimately point out that I cannot point out an example of in the DE field.
All we have asked is for profession specific pets that might have some quality bonus to a profession. You act as if we actually said "we do not need DE anymore please remove them". DE on the other hand would be more than happy to see CH stay extinct. I lived through the CH-DE wars. Not even I want to get rid of anyone. But I do want something distinct for my profession.
We have tried to offer up the corral as a method to produce PSPs. I just offered a game within a game training method. None of these are exactly free. So forgive me if WE try to balance the process which at this stage is no more than a wish list. But you came here as a DE and cried NOOOOOOOOO we want that. I am not the one being selfish here.
Most of your arguments are fallacious and shallow. Learn more about CH before you condemn it.
You are right. There is not much you can legitimately point out that I cannot point out an example of in the DE field.
All we have asked is for profession specific pets that might have some quality bonus to a profession. You act as if we actually said "we do not need DE anymore please remove them". DE on the other hand would be more than happy to see CH stay extinct. I lived through the CH-DE wars. Not even I want to get rid of anyone. But I do want something distinct for my profession.
We have tried to offer up the corral as a method to produce PSPs. I just offered a game within a game training method. None of these are exactly free. So forgive me if WE try to balance the process which at this stage is no more than a wish list. But you came here as a DE and cried NOOOOOOOOO we want that. I am not the one being selfish here.
Most of your arguments are fallacious and shallow. Learn more about CH before you condemn it.
spreadsheet
Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:17 am
#29
Ok, before bikes and before the monster B/E lvl 10 pets, we provided pets. Both non C/H pets and trained mounts. We were a service type class. Where was someone going to get a mount anyway?? We tamed it, trained it, and sold it. We STILL do!! Now going by your logic, we should not have bikes. I like the prof specific pet idea. These pets would have lower than average HAM from a B/E lvl 10 pet. They would provide a different type of benefit to a performer than a droid would. Now the hitch I do see is the one droid or one pet at a time. I would like to see this changed. I would love to see a droid with all the glitter and side show stuff along with a pet that could perform kinda along the follow command. Maybe, now this is just off the top of my head, a module that allowed a +1 to pets. ?? Put this into an entertainer droid. In fact, the pet could give some kind of bonus to the droid counterpart along with some kind of pet proff bonus?? Remember this would have to be a droid and a pet only. These pets would be lvl 10 or below with very low HAM when compared to their B/E counter parts. I think we could have this work well along with the droids. They could compliment each other and provide the entertainers with a whole lot more. The same goes for other proff specific pets. What do you guys think??
And please, I did not mean to flame anyone!! Just throwing out some ideas. I respect all of your opinions. Please let me know if any of my ideas sound good or if they seem to come from right field.
Message Edited by spreadsheet on 03-23-2005 12:21 PM
-Elder Medic-
spreadsheet
Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:26 am
#30
Also, remember this would not really effect the B/E as a non c/h can still have 2 pets in his data pad. Allowing for a nice b/e pet and a proff specific pet. If the droid allowed the character to have both out at once, it would keep attention on the droids. In fact if the pet provided some type of bonus to the droid or a bonus when using the droid, the attention would be on having both. So the character could potentially have a B/E pet, a non c/h proff specific pet, an entertainer droid, and either a combat or storage droid in their datapad.
spreadsheet
Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:54 am
#33
Yea, I think it might satisfy the D/E. We didnt mean to step on any toes. And they could work good together.
Nell2ThaIzzay
Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:57 am
#34
P9M wrote:
Nelly,
You are right. There is not much you can legitimately point out that I cannot point out an example of in the DE field.
All we have asked is for profession specific pets that might have some quality bonus to a profession. You act as if we actually said "we do not need DE anymore please remove them". DE on the other hand would be more than happy to see CH stay extinct. I lived through the CH-DE wars. Not even I want to get rid of anyone. But I do want something distinct for my profession.
We have tried to offer up the corral as a method to produce PSPs. I just offered a game within a game training method. None of these are exactly free. So forgive me if WE try to balance the process which at this stage is no more than a wish list. But you came here as a DE and cried NOOOOOOOOO we want that. I am not the one being selfish here.
Most of your arguments are fallacious and shallow. Learn more about CH before you condemn it.
You can call my arguements whatever you like. The fact is, I have witnessed CH's for a long long time, from the "uber" CH crowd, who got mad when they couldn't call their rancors at novice. That left a bad first impression of the CH community on my mind. However, I do understand that player base does not represent the whole of the CH community.
I have also witnessed CH's trying to be able to turn their pets into deeds to sell on a vendor. At the time, I was against this, and considered that another "CH's just want to have it all" arguement, but after closer thought, there really isn't anything wrong with wanting to sell the pets you already have. Afterall, they are our pets, and if we don't want them anymore, or if we want to tame higher level pets, to sell to lower level players so they can use it later, or just tame rare pets that someone is too lazy to get themselves, there's really no hard in being able to do that (again, there is nothing stopping a Pistoleer from giving an old used gun to a new friend he's met to help him out).
But the thing that really gets to me now, is how all of a sudden the community wants to be able to tame creatures, and train them to do specific profession services for other players, and then sell those pets to other players, as well as being able to tame pets for themselves to use as weapons. All of a sudden, you're trying to become a combat profession, and a mercantile profession, all for the price of one. And yet, you don't think that's unfair and unbalanced?! And then you call me the selfish one?
I don't come to this forum as a "Droid Engineer", or as a "Creature Handler", I come to this forum as a player. I check out the DE forums to find out about new changes with that profession, and learn new things I didn't already know. I do the same here for Creature Handler. And if you want to play the whole "bias profession" card on me right now, I'm probably a lot more Creature Handler lately than I am Droid Engineer. The past couple weeks I have been playing have been dedicated to leveling up Creature Handler, and going out exploring the different planets, and taming new pets. I've been more excited about my recent Creature Handler skills I've gained than my Droid Engineer skills I just gained. The couple boxes I've gotten in CH recently have been accomplishments, and my recent DE boxes have been "oh yea, I did that too". Like I said, I'm just as much CH as I am DE. It's not like I'm a master DE and dabble in CH. My goal is to master both professions, as they are both equally important to my character as the other. So don't try to sit there and tell me I'm DE first, and trying to condemn the CH profession. I'm not. What I don't want to see tho, is for CH to become some unfairly self-sufficient profession, which is exactly what it will become if it is allowed that we can tame our own creatures (produce our weapons), use our creatures (use our weapons) and create profession specific service pets to sell to others to use (crafting / mercantile profession), -ESPECIALLY- when there is already a profession who's purpose is providing profession specific service pets, -ESPECIALLY- in a Star Wars game, where, I'm sorry if you can't handle this either, but droids are a whole heck of a lot more Star Warsy than Creature Handling is.
No, I want to see Creature Handling rebalanced in combat, so we can be viable again. I hate having my pets die everytime I go hunting, unless I get buffed up and become the one tanking. And when I'm a ranged combat profession (Pistoleer), I shouldn't be tanking, no matter how buffed I am. I don't want to see us turned into some unfair self sufficient crafting / combat class that can do it all, when no other profession can do that. No, I'm not the selfish one here. And trust me when I say there are plenty of Droid Engineering type things I don't want to see either, in particular the combat droids, unless they are on par with what we have now (I understand the unbalance high level combat droids would bring, and I don't want to see them in place for that reason. I want to see "support" combat droids, that we have now, that would never take the place of a weapon, and I don't want to see another "pet" profession that would take the place of Creature Handler).
I'm sorry if you think I'm some kind of "defector to the cause" because I don't want to see the same things in place that you do. But I don't want to see anything for any profession, my professions or otherwise, that will make that profession become a self-sufficient profession. This game is built upon interdependancy, and your requests for this profession make CH the exception to the rule, and that is not right.
Fobok
Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:41 am
#35
dbl90 wrote:
The truth is CH PSPs and DE droids do not need to fight for, or reach the same player base. A pet, that say for example helps doctors buff, would be a ridiculous encroachment on the DE profession, but there are professions that don't have droids that specifically help them, such as the aforementioned ranger.
DEs can make tracking droids for BHs and the ability of a CH to make an NPC tracking pet for rangers would by no means take away a single credit from a DE. Why? DEs don't make tracking droids, or really anything arguably especially useful for a ranger. There are other instances where this would be true.
While I mostly agree with Nell, I do agree with some of what you say above (CH pets could fill a different niche than droids), but my main reason for posting is to point out there are droids that are useful to Rangers. Harvesting droids. They're currently bugged so they don't take group bonus into account, but they are there, and solo rangers do get a large bonus from them.
Every profession in the game has droids that can be useful to them. However, not all possible pet uses are filled, so in many ways it could work. However, for entertainer pets, they'd still be in the same niche, (that of a visual animated display), as the most popular entertainer droids.
Rylec
Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:30 am
#36
Lol, I knew you would reply to this Atlantiss. Actually, it's quite possible to to perform with your pets, you just need to be creative. Have you seen 3 step dancing Giant Veermoks? Well, I have. Atlantiss put on a wee show in Keren the other day. All that is needed is to check out various pets' trick and pet responses and utilize macroes tomake the pet perform their actions while you shout your thing. E.g. Atlantiss had a Piket that jumped when he said 'Jump'.
Well, one day we will have a show ready and then you will be invited to make a toon on Chimaera and watch our show in C-net.
It's not exactly what the initial writer had in mind, butpets can perform 
Atlantiss wrote:
I totaly disagree, i am a MCh on Chimarea and a master musician on Infinity. Now to go with my musician i have several entertainer droids with varing combinations of fx & playback modules - while these are great and add some cool holo-effects the droid doesn't dance about or provide any other visual entertainment - now having some nice trained entertainer pets to go along with me and my droid would be rather nice and provide more of a show when i'm entertaining people. Now this would then pose another little dilema - as a non-ch i can't have a pet and a droid out.... something would need to be changed to allow for this to happen, and as long as they are both entertainers i don't see why this change couldn't be done.
I do see where you coming from though Nell2ThaIzzay, given the current limitations I mentioned - droid or pet? As a musician i'd go for the droid everytime as he adds an extra instrument to accompany my playing while a pet would be nice i like the bandfill as my backing track
Message Edited by Atlantiss on 03-22-2005 09:49 PM
P9M
Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:59 am
#37
Nell2ThaIzzay wrote:
What I don't want to see tho, is for CH to become some unfairly self-sufficient profession, which is exactly what it will become if it is allowed that we can tame our own creatures (produce our weapons), use our creatures (use our weapons) and create profession specific service pets to sell to others to use (crafting / mercantile profession), -ESPECIALLY- when there is already a profession who's purpose is providing profession specific service pets, -ESPECIALLY- in a Star Wars game, where, I'm sorry if you can't handle this either, but droids are a whole heck of a lot more Star Warsy than Creature Handling is..
I want to handle these first. You say that DE provide service pets and that DE only should only because they are more Star Warsy? LOL. The time period means there should be less droids. Ep. 4-5 you see very few droids. Ep. 4 R2 and 3PO are very ineffective droids. In fact, again if you want to slippery slope, we do not see Combat Droids until Mr. Lucas cannot develop any better plot and wants to fill the screen with sensationalism instead of better writing. Roger, Roger.
Nell2ThaIzzay
Thu Mar 24, 2005 3:59 pm
#38
Why do you keep bringing up combat droids? As I am not an advocate for combat droids.
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