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Thread: I like CH and I want you to like it too!!!!
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JodoKai
Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:16 am
#27
CH's provide Tanks. Someone to get posioned so PC's don't. In PvP the Tanks don't last that long, but in PvE they do, since all creatures were nerfed at the same time, your rancor is just as tough as a rancor found in the wild.
Seiryuu
Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:09 am
#28
Right now PCs in armor and buffs make better tanks because they can take more damage and survive poisons better due to regeneration.
Endor had a very nice spawn of insect meat a few weeks ago. After one lair my BE pets than can tank just about anything were crawling back to me wimpering because of poison. I literally had to rotate pets every lair. Mind you, I was only sending them against one spider at a time (two on occassional adds).
My buffed and armored friends only had to slow down when they had six or seven poisons stacked on them. They were fighting the entire lair at once, not the singles my pets were. In a three hour session, my friend sat down to rest twice, and that was only long enough for the stacked poisons to fade.
When going to a new lair, he was usually through the first spawn wave before my pets were even out. My support wasn't needed.
So even using your right now argument, we are an ineffective support profession as well.
Endor had a very nice spawn of insect meat a few weeks ago. After one lair my BE pets than can tank just about anything were crawling back to me wimpering because of poison. I literally had to rotate pets every lair. Mind you, I was only sending them against one spider at a time (two on occassional adds).
My buffed and armored friends only had to slow down when they had six or seven poisons stacked on them. They were fighting the entire lair at once, not the singles my pets were. In a three hour session, my friend sat down to rest twice, and that was only long enough for the stacked poisons to fade.
When going to a new lair, he was usually through the first spawn wave before my pets were even out. My support wasn't needed.
So even using your right now argument, we are an ineffective support profession as well.
Seiryuu
Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:41 pm
#29
I don't like CH, I love it.
That doesn't mean I am going to turn a blind eye when I see a deficiency. I want to see this profession be the absolute best it can be. I guess you better be prepared to hear from me when I see something that I feel needs improvement because I will speak up about it.
I may strongly disagree with someone on how to best achieve become the "greatest" profession, but as long as they are willing to discuss or agrue the point, then I know we both care. And who knows, we might find a way to satisfy both of us once we learn what the other is seeking.
That doesn't mean I am going to turn a blind eye when I see a deficiency. I want to see this profession be the absolute best it can be. I guess you better be prepared to hear from me when I see something that I feel needs improvement because I will speak up about it.
I may strongly disagree with someone on how to best achieve become the "greatest" profession, but as long as they are willing to discuss or agrue the point, then I know we both care. And who knows, we might find a way to satisfy both of us once we learn what the other is seeking.
cymoncymple
Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:22 am
#30
Please forgive the crazy text was written on a command line text editor----
Seems my thread has gotten to the point almost all CH threads do. This thread
was started to explore why i like ch and how other people might like it as
well. (yes, i included a few throw downs on the most common request for pet
armor, specials while mounted and other beat to death discussions) However, now I for one
of sick and tired of the people naysaying and throwing down nothing but how CH
sucks, how it isnÕt this or how it isnÕt that. Someone posted before that
there are other threads that are locked on the weak, sad and maybe unfair
aspects of CH...I think we got the naysay part covered else where. It seems
that a select few dominate CH disucssion with colorful additions to how it
sucks and shooting down everything and returning to their utter dislike of the
CH class. Mix in a few ideas Vets would be willing to accept; as if the game
would be better if they got to fix everything,.
Once and for all, who cares what SOE says; the reality (as i play it and see
it) is CH is a combat prof that leans toward support. Period, end of this part
of the discussion you either disagree or agree; because my siding with
'actions speak louder then words' blows whatever ever SOE says out of the
water. I am sure (and let me know i have heard) that other people blindly
accept words over that of the action...proof is in the pudding CH must be
played with more focus on support and less on pure combat..the rest is wishful
thinking (or whining about a dead point). We could sit here all day having
some Vet poster say this and that and then another point how it used to be. We
can have another Vet poster throw down how it isnÕt and it is because of this
and give insight into why they think it is this way. But frankly why turn this
thread into something that cna be found in other whiner threads?
I LIKE CH AND I WANT YOU TO LIKE IT TOO!!!!! <- that is what this thread is
about.
The reason I like CH and all the flaws in CH donÕt bother me is because I (i
might be the only one it seems) feel that the _other_ true combat profs are too
wacked out. Period, in a nut shell I agree I think my pet should be able to
fight a bounty hunter without a reduction of damage. But, I do not think that
a pure master CH should be able to take a bounty hunter....nor a Commando..nor
a TKA master. WHY? Because those are true combat classes, and for whatever
reason SOE through actions (screw what they say look at what they do) have
turned CH into a support class. You want to take a commando in pvp with your
master status you better have some pistoleer skill ot back that fight
up..otherwise the reality of the game says you die and you lose. I frankly
donÕt care to hear stories that attempt to prove it is not an effective combat
support class. Because I have stories that prove it is a support class such as
the following:
-----cymon's story of why CH is a support class
My friend and I went hunting Rancor...in the mix are three non-be grauls. We
tanked the living b-jesus out the lairs and murdered all the rancors. We
couldn't have done it with out buffs and three grauls. The gruals took the
brunt of the attack and we sat back and bled the rancors and healed our pets.
We repeated this mission killing spree till each of us made 500K....
-----the end of cymonÕs story to prove CH is a combat support class
There are two many things that can effect the outcome of a battle. Was your
pet resistant to the MOBs attack style? Do you know how to use your pet really
(not just direct to attack and hope it does ok)? Do you have the power to heal
it or do you need to feed it? Are you confused on what your pet can do vs.
what you want it to do? Do you and your grou know to target the same thing you
creature is attacking? The list goes on and on and on....but we come back to
the simple fact that CH changed....get over it or get out of it. Because, in
real life I think SWG is a true game what worked repeatedly one day might not
work so great the next day...adapt or die so to speak
I like CH and I want you to like it too...but, I think that is impossible for
some people to ever like CH...mostly because it isnÕt the stat-whore dabble
concept anymore. Well I say cry more I like it. This whole SWG game has
turnedinto a stat-whore fest and frankly I am going to do my best to be the
voice that counters such changes at every turn...more so in CH then anywhere
else because I picked CH for the pets if i wanted to be a pvp i would have
pciked what has turned into one of the twink profs . Everyone wants everything
but they want to give nothing for it or so the posts will make you think. This
isnÕt doom...there are other people here and you might need to interact with
them and have them HELP you. And frankly I suspect SOE made the limits to CH a
reality because SWG already has too many people running around in elite prof
soloing everything..so to help limnit that they nerfed (if you by that line of
thinking) CH to FORCE you to support a group rather then be your own group 24/
7. I am done wasting my time on this endless discussion of support vs pure
combat class because it comes down to when you started it seems...pre-so-called-
nerf and your more likely to be stuck in the past.,...post-so-called-nerf you
more then likely loving CH but growing tired of needing to fight past the
naysaying whiners reworded spams about the good old days. <--- that is my
personal stance just so you know.
It pisses me off that so many CHs are unable to think outside of the box on so
many topics well the majority postring anywway to me it seems. Since this
thread has been running I have made a total of 320K on JUST SELLING non-ch
mounted pets. Making that amount I know I could at the very least make enough
on another server to not have to do a mission. I might live poorer then say a
mission runner but if you want to be rich, be an eye shot BH doing normal
missions or GASP be a bot doc doing buffs so you can play Doom as you loot like
mad. IMHO there are quite a few stat-whore solo make the big money when buffed
rule PvP look like and act like the next chucklehead in your professions
already...not sure why everyone wants CH to just be like that. Well I do know
because YOU select few want to be the stat-whore solo make the big money when
beffed rule PvP look like and act like the next chucklehead in your profiession
AND GET TO HAVE CH HELP YOU TWINK OUT AND MAKE BIG MONEY WHEN BUFFED RULE PVP
and insure you never need the help of another SOE SWG player. If you got your
toital wish for CH I am willing to bet the next big thing woiuld be that type
of player would be whining for surgery droids to give buffs..surgens are docs
so those droids should buff. I am starting to suspect that SWG to most people
is less about the RP, GCW or even human interaction and all about them playing
it like a single player game. Everyone wants the high score and the best stats
because they play it like they are the only one playing. Well to me that style
of thinking has left us with a bunch of CHs who have gotten stale IMHO and are
seemingly unable to adapt, accept and/or move on. CH isnÕt ever going to be a
replacement for a pure combat prof....nor do i think SOE ever meant for it to
be...so many people need to stop looking at it like CH can only be played that
one way. There are many ways to play CH throwing your hands up and crying
because it doesnÕt work the way it did last year doesnÕt count, in my book
anyway, as playing CH. To me that style casts unfair lights upon CH and drives
away people not because CH sucks but because a very loud group is unable to
suck it up.
Case in point, I do not think players unable to think of creative ways to sell
pets counts as a reason CH sucks. I think that speaks very highly of your lack
of willingness to put forth the time to sell pets. Sorry you are not a
merchant so you need to sell your pets the hardway to the masses..which means
by hand and those masses arenÕt going to beat a path to your door (well they do
me but i have told every person who has ever bought from me to tell their
friends and if their friend buys i give them a finders fee...steal that idea it
is better then standing around crying you canÕt sell anything) Yes, there are
flaws (maybe) in our options to selling pets but to say that you can not make
any money selling pets sounds like a whiners stance. Because from where I sit
you can make money selling pets, but maybe not as much money as YOU WANT to
make selling pets Most people saying that CH sucks because they canÕt sell a
pet should say they are unable and/or unwilling to invest the time and energy
into selling pets. Or better yet they should say even while they are CHÕs they
have no concept of the markets of their servers and their lack of understanding
of the buying habits and their unwillingness to learn such buying habits have
prevented them from being able to offer pets that have market value. Get
those flames ready but, be warned I have made 320K so you better have good
points outside I am lucky to be on bloodfin. Because regardless of server, if
you have the means to open a trade window and the person you are selling to can
open a trade window then you can sell a pet. But, why should I assume people
can understand that...we still have people posting that what SOE said in a post
last year has more bearing on the reality of CH then what SOE does in regards
to CH today.
I like CH and I want you to like it too!! But, frankly I suspect some of you
EVEN if you got everything laid out in this thread would find something else to
**edit** about. So lets all take a deep breath and recollect our thoughts and
look to the real aspects that could be used to improve CH...not change it into
something else. Why is it that every good idea seems to be shot down and a
reworded rehashed concept played out in a dozen other threads is brought back?
I am sick of hearing about the good old days...I am sick of not seeing people
exchange ideas (my fav macro: /kill; /pause 3; /kill2; /pause 3; /fanshot; /
fanshot; /pause 10; /fanshot; /a1; /a2)...i am just plain sick of seeing every
post thread swamped by someone yet again giving another attempt to turn CH back
into the stat-whore fest it used to be.
I for ONE LIKE CH AND I WANT YOU TO LIKE IT TOO....but if that is too much to
ask i will change it to...i like CH and I want you to let me like it...i read
the reasons you think it sucks and how much of a dork i am for not seeing it
your way in the other thread where you posted the same reasons i, ch and other
chs like me who like it suck.
--------my ideas
More mounts
Barns (to store pets)
Fed creatures get stronger then non-fed
creatures have a friend list
a command to send a creature to the next mission waypoint
humaniod pets can be taught to speak (ex: barker humaniod)
people outside of the master who slap a pets get bit by the pets
petting a pet when you arenÕt on the friend list doesnÕt result in your pet
sitting down
the patrol command includes an optionj for non-friends to be attacked
mounted pets have storage sacks (much like a droidÕs storage)
friends of MASTER chs can ride the masters mounted pets
non-ch pets to a CH donÕt count as a pet when out
remove the damage limits in PvP on creatures lvl 40 and higher
CHs can breed pets (ex: male and female razorcats might make a baby if
instructed)
make cymon a CH community leader
chs can make their multi pets duel/fight one another
remove the dumb concept that putting my pet away heals posion infections.
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Seems my thread has gotten to the point almost all CH threads do. This thread
was started to explore why i like ch and how other people might like it as
well. (yes, i included a few throw downs on the most common request for pet
armor, specials while mounted and other beat to death discussions) However, now I for one
of sick and tired of the people naysaying and throwing down nothing but how CH
sucks, how it isnÕt this or how it isnÕt that. Someone posted before that
there are other threads that are locked on the weak, sad and maybe unfair
aspects of CH...I think we got the naysay part covered else where. It seems
that a select few dominate CH disucssion with colorful additions to how it
sucks and shooting down everything and returning to their utter dislike of the
CH class. Mix in a few ideas Vets would be willing to accept; as if the game
would be better if they got to fix everything,.
Once and for all, who cares what SOE says; the reality (as i play it and see
it) is CH is a combat prof that leans toward support. Period, end of this part
of the discussion you either disagree or agree; because my siding with
'actions speak louder then words' blows whatever ever SOE says out of the
water. I am sure (and let me know i have heard) that other people blindly
accept words over that of the action...proof is in the pudding CH must be
played with more focus on support and less on pure combat..the rest is wishful
thinking (or whining about a dead point). We could sit here all day having
some Vet poster say this and that and then another point how it used to be. We
can have another Vet poster throw down how it isnÕt and it is because of this
and give insight into why they think it is this way. But frankly why turn this
thread into something that cna be found in other whiner threads?
I LIKE CH AND I WANT YOU TO LIKE IT TOO!!!!! <- that is what this thread is
about.
The reason I like CH and all the flaws in CH donÕt bother me is because I (i
might be the only one it seems) feel that the _other_ true combat profs are too
wacked out. Period, in a nut shell I agree I think my pet should be able to
fight a bounty hunter without a reduction of damage. But, I do not think that
a pure master CH should be able to take a bounty hunter....nor a Commando..nor
a TKA master. WHY? Because those are true combat classes, and for whatever
reason SOE through actions (screw what they say look at what they do) have
turned CH into a support class. You want to take a commando in pvp with your
master status you better have some pistoleer skill ot back that fight
up..otherwise the reality of the game says you die and you lose. I frankly
donÕt care to hear stories that attempt to prove it is not an effective combat
support class. Because I have stories that prove it is a support class such as
the following:
-----cymon's story of why CH is a support class
My friend and I went hunting Rancor...in the mix are three non-be grauls. We
tanked the living b-jesus out the lairs and murdered all the rancors. We
couldn't have done it with out buffs and three grauls. The gruals took the
brunt of the attack and we sat back and bled the rancors and healed our pets.
We repeated this mission killing spree till each of us made 500K....
-----the end of cymonÕs story to prove CH is a combat support class
There are two many things that can effect the outcome of a battle. Was your
pet resistant to the MOBs attack style? Do you know how to use your pet really
(not just direct to attack and hope it does ok)? Do you have the power to heal
it or do you need to feed it? Are you confused on what your pet can do vs.
what you want it to do? Do you and your grou know to target the same thing you
creature is attacking? The list goes on and on and on....but we come back to
the simple fact that CH changed....get over it or get out of it. Because, in
real life I think SWG is a true game what worked repeatedly one day might not
work so great the next day...adapt or die so to speak
I like CH and I want you to like it too...but, I think that is impossible for
some people to ever like CH...mostly because it isnÕt the stat-whore dabble
concept anymore. Well I say cry more I like it. This whole SWG game has
turnedinto a stat-whore fest and frankly I am going to do my best to be the
voice that counters such changes at every turn...more so in CH then anywhere
else because I picked CH for the pets if i wanted to be a pvp i would have
pciked what has turned into one of the twink profs . Everyone wants everything
but they want to give nothing for it or so the posts will make you think. This
isnÕt doom...there are other people here and you might need to interact with
them and have them HELP you. And frankly I suspect SOE made the limits to CH a
reality because SWG already has too many people running around in elite prof
soloing everything..so to help limnit that they nerfed (if you by that line of
thinking) CH to FORCE you to support a group rather then be your own group 24/
7. I am done wasting my time on this endless discussion of support vs pure
combat class because it comes down to when you started it seems...pre-so-called-
nerf and your more likely to be stuck in the past.,...post-so-called-nerf you
more then likely loving CH but growing tired of needing to fight past the
naysaying whiners reworded spams about the good old days. <--- that is my
personal stance just so you know.
It pisses me off that so many CHs are unable to think outside of the box on so
many topics well the majority postring anywway to me it seems. Since this
thread has been running I have made a total of 320K on JUST SELLING non-ch
mounted pets. Making that amount I know I could at the very least make enough
on another server to not have to do a mission. I might live poorer then say a
mission runner but if you want to be rich, be an eye shot BH doing normal
missions or GASP be a bot doc doing buffs so you can play Doom as you loot like
mad. IMHO there are quite a few stat-whore solo make the big money when buffed
rule PvP look like and act like the next chucklehead in your professions
already...not sure why everyone wants CH to just be like that. Well I do know
because YOU select few want to be the stat-whore solo make the big money when
beffed rule PvP look like and act like the next chucklehead in your profiession
AND GET TO HAVE CH HELP YOU TWINK OUT AND MAKE BIG MONEY WHEN BUFFED RULE PVP
and insure you never need the help of another SOE SWG player. If you got your
toital wish for CH I am willing to bet the next big thing woiuld be that type
of player would be whining for surgery droids to give buffs..surgens are docs
so those droids should buff. I am starting to suspect that SWG to most people
is less about the RP, GCW or even human interaction and all about them playing
it like a single player game. Everyone wants the high score and the best stats
because they play it like they are the only one playing. Well to me that style
of thinking has left us with a bunch of CHs who have gotten stale IMHO and are
seemingly unable to adapt, accept and/or move on. CH isnÕt ever going to be a
replacement for a pure combat prof....nor do i think SOE ever meant for it to
be...so many people need to stop looking at it like CH can only be played that
one way. There are many ways to play CH throwing your hands up and crying
because it doesnÕt work the way it did last year doesnÕt count, in my book
anyway, as playing CH. To me that style casts unfair lights upon CH and drives
away people not because CH sucks but because a very loud group is unable to
suck it up.
Case in point, I do not think players unable to think of creative ways to sell
pets counts as a reason CH sucks. I think that speaks very highly of your lack
of willingness to put forth the time to sell pets. Sorry you are not a
merchant so you need to sell your pets the hardway to the masses..which means
by hand and those masses arenÕt going to beat a path to your door (well they do
me but i have told every person who has ever bought from me to tell their
friends and if their friend buys i give them a finders fee...steal that idea it
is better then standing around crying you canÕt sell anything) Yes, there are
flaws (maybe) in our options to selling pets but to say that you can not make
any money selling pets sounds like a whiners stance. Because from where I sit
you can make money selling pets, but maybe not as much money as YOU WANT to
make selling pets Most people saying that CH sucks because they canÕt sell a
pet should say they are unable and/or unwilling to invest the time and energy
into selling pets. Or better yet they should say even while they are CHÕs they
have no concept of the markets of their servers and their lack of understanding
of the buying habits and their unwillingness to learn such buying habits have
prevented them from being able to offer pets that have market value. Get
those flames ready but, be warned I have made 320K so you better have good
points outside I am lucky to be on bloodfin. Because regardless of server, if
you have the means to open a trade window and the person you are selling to can
open a trade window then you can sell a pet. But, why should I assume people
can understand that...we still have people posting that what SOE said in a post
last year has more bearing on the reality of CH then what SOE does in regards
to CH today.
I like CH and I want you to like it too!! But, frankly I suspect some of you
EVEN if you got everything laid out in this thread would find something else to
**edit** about. So lets all take a deep breath and recollect our thoughts and
look to the real aspects that could be used to improve CH...not change it into
something else. Why is it that every good idea seems to be shot down and a
reworded rehashed concept played out in a dozen other threads is brought back?
I am sick of hearing about the good old days...I am sick of not seeing people
exchange ideas (my fav macro: /kill; /pause 3; /kill2; /pause 3; /fanshot; /
fanshot; /pause 10; /fanshot; /a1; /a2)...i am just plain sick of seeing every
post thread swamped by someone yet again giving another attempt to turn CH back
into the stat-whore fest it used to be.
I for ONE LIKE CH AND I WANT YOU TO LIKE IT TOO....but if that is too much to
ask i will change it to...i like CH and I want you to let me like it...i read
the reasons you think it sucks and how much of a dork i am for not seeing it
your way in the other thread where you posted the same reasons i, ch and other
chs like me who like it suck.
--------my ideas
More mounts
Barns (to store pets)
Fed creatures get stronger then non-fed
creatures have a friend list
a command to send a creature to the next mission waypoint
humaniod pets can be taught to speak (ex: barker humaniod)
people outside of the master who slap a pets get bit by the pets
petting a pet when you arenÕt on the friend list doesnÕt result in your pet
sitting down
the patrol command includes an optionj for non-friends to be attacked
mounted pets have storage sacks (much like a droidÕs storage)
friends of MASTER chs can ride the masters mounted pets
non-ch pets to a CH donÕt count as a pet when out
remove the damage limits in PvP on creatures lvl 40 and higher
CHs can breed pets (ex: male and female razorcats might make a baby if
instructed)
make cymon a CH community leader
chs can make their multi pets duel/fight one another
remove the dumb concept that putting my pet away heals posion infections.
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Keaka26
Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:33 am
#31
Hmm...I like some of your ideals and concepts, but you seem to be crying just as much as the people you are crying about.
GMANHNC
Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:25 pm
#32
If anyone is still reading this, maybe we could suggest that ch be restored to pre nerf levels until the combat balance... everyone else will get their wish list items, why can't we have a month or so of fun?
Indene
Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:11 pm
#33
GMANHNC wrote:
If anyone is still reading this, maybe we could suggest that ch be restored to pre nerf levels until the combat balance... everyone else will get their wish list items, why can't we have a month or so of fun?
We have suggested this in several different threads. I don't recall seeing it added to our top 5 list though.
-Indene-
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