Creature Handler Archive
Thread: This is a complete joke! Ko-aIri PLEASE inform the clueless fools at SOE.
If i was able to search for a weapon in a pile of weapons that would let me shoot a snare as a tkm, i would search....if there was a magic weapon that allowed me to Armorbreak, snare, stun, and then do a 100pt dot every 1 second that never uses any action....lol, I would hunt...and hunt...and hunt....oh ya, and hunt, untill i found it.Even if i had to play with it for 20+ hrs. And as for the casual gamer, they can get the same abilities themselves, but obviously it will takelonger...as they are casual, but the way out for them is to have someone else train the pets, or even buy pets that are already lvld and already trained bya master.....granted the availablility of these pre-templated pets atm is rare,I imagine that will change ifa demand for those pets starts to arise.
And to the other poster, I have no delusions, and you have no reason to cast dispersions on my sanity or myself in anyway. I will agree that problems exist...but the "problem" with pet xp and training abilities is an inconvenience that you and ?alot? ?some? others really dontcare for.....well you know what? I didnt care for the investigation line of BH, but I did it. Why? because, that is part of being a BH. Now that I've done it, I'm glad its over and I wouldnt do it again, but I wouldnt hop on the forums insulting the soe staff and then continue to have a piss over it. To keep comparing the game, or the things you must perform as "a job" and to whine about them in the way that you are...I have to wonder why you bother to play at all.
Before the CU, as I stated a few posts back, my pets where just what I wanted them to be for pve & pvp, even if they had faults with the combat system of old.
My wild pets where tamed and respected and I used them for what they where. And my old BE pets had the abilities that I requested I wanted from a BE and they where crafted to my play style and needs.
I already took the long old road to grind CH to Master. Now in order to be unique, I have to mindlessly grind millions of xp to make SOE's lame clone-skin creatures better?
And while I am enhancing thier lame easy-way out carbon copy skins, I have to deal with a system that has no correct rules, guide lines, or limits to learn these abilities. Also, half of them are not working. This is not Beta we are in, this is live. Do you like paying to be a lab rat?
Lay off the Jawa Ale...please!
I love this class, its a shame that SOE has no clue at all.
WarWidow wrote:
Fett402, why do I play at all you state? Well, I play a MCH in SWG because of all my toons, this class appeals to me. And I do play to have fun. But when fun is clouded by meaningless work and no-content, the game no longer is a game.
Before the CU, as I stated a few posts back, my pets where just what I wanted them to be for pve & pvp, even if they had faults with the combat system of old.
My wild pets where tamed and respected and I used them for what they where. And my old BE pets had the abilities that I requested I wanted from a BE and they where crafted to my play style and needs.
I already took the long old road to grind CH to Master. Now in order to be unique, I have to mindlessly grind millions of xp to make SOE's lame clone-skin creatures better?
And while I am enhancing thier lame easy-way out carbon copy skins, I have to deal with a system that has no correct rules, guide lines, or limits to learn these abilities. Also, half of them are not working. This is not Beta we are in, this is live. Do you like paying to be a lab rat?
Lay off the Jawa Ale...please!
I love this class, its a shame that SOE has no clue at all.
What is meaningless and having no content to you is not necessarily to others, I have never had this much fun with CH since the days of 3 grauls. The hunt for the specials and the rolling of each pet to learn that special has been a blast. Repetitive yes but when pets cut a swath through Dath, Yavin, or Endor while looking for the next ability, there is a sense of acomplishment. I am sorry you feel that everything you have done has to be done over, but with every class revamp there has been those that feel that way.
But honestly, like so much in this game, the xp grind system on pets for CH has no backing. Once the system is unflawed and we as lab rats figure out all the loose ends, then maybe justice will be served.
Example: A Master Rifleman with a finished template and a ADKed weapon does not have to worry about endlessly grinding his next weapon since both weapon and template are complete and set.
After grinding millions of xp to enhance your level 70 pet, just remeber, it can't be ADKed.
For all this xp and all this work, pets will still not be able to hold a candle to high level content. Like the SWG handbook states: "Creature handler is only as strong as his pets".
So take that level 70 pet you have that rolled 3.6 million xp minimum to get high level 3 abilities with open slots. Watch how it handles the Webweaver level or other high level content.
Trust me, before the elite pet nerf hit, I had 3 Nargs with 7k ham each grouped with me for level 80. They where all ripped to pieces down their! A few specials ain't going to be the holy grail that we are grinding.
Unless you back your MCH with another combat profession, this hurts many players. So for all this endless grinding, will justice be given? I am unsure it will be.
WarWidow
Do you remember the old days when everyone searched and wanted a Bull Rancor and The Frenzied Graul (The latter was never found after our first revamp we have had a few by the way).
This is where the devs get the information they needed to place this pet xp sytem into the game. here motto is CH are an odd wierd bunch, give them something to look for and they will look for years, They want they're specials we'l give em specials lol It must have been very amusing to them the day they wrote out these plans for the "New Ch revamp" lol. Much like the chuckle they got implementing the village in hopes of using jedi to keep people grinding for 3 months just to attain padawan. The formular is simple much like they're imagination.
WarWidow if you sat at a table with every CH in this game and spoke face to face with them I will guarantee that the majority will agree with how we feel about it. Those that don't you won't sway with any amount of words or reasoning. You see they need a reason to login. Endless searching and endless grinding is a reason. yes a sense of accomplishment is also attained for them but in the end they will search for another reason to login. It's more habit, addiction and wanting than anything else IMO. If I am wrong I am sorry but nothing else short of this can explain why it is.
Do what I am doing hit the cancel button and write why, I already respec'd my CH characters (wich I have had since fall of 2003) this was the last straw for me. Even the CU wasn't asbad as the farse they call a pet enhancement lol
Did you stop to think that most of these specials are even broken on the professions lol if not btroken then don't have any effect worth talking about... Bleed for example lol not worth the time to hit the button and execute the move lol.
Ko-aIri
Although I am not one of your more vocal ch's I hope you understand when I say this. This does not benifit the CH community when new blood comes into the fold they will leave when after tasting the monotinous grind.
Just like the people who tried ch after the CU went live but couldn't get beyond the broken xp cap. Where was the voices then in this forum If I remember correctly only a dozen stood up for the new people joining and posted in the threads demanding a fix and action many of the so-called mch here then sat back and didnt care because it didn'teffect them. You are now a voice for all and I belive you do your job well I just hope you will not forget about those to come in apeasing some who are here.
Good night and good luck
Fett402 wrote:
And as for the casual gamer, they can get the same abilities themselves, but obviously it will takelonger...as they are casual, but the way out for them is to have someone else train the pets, or even buy pets that are already lvld and already trained bya master.....
Hot damn! I suck at CH not because I take too long to find abilities and level up my pets, I suck at it because I don't have enough time to spend playing the game. Lemmie email my resignation to my boss right now....
Guess I should just join the jedi and ask for my "I win" button.
Fett402 wrote:
lol, ok, i give up trying to be the voice of reason and positive thinking. I feel sorry for the people that pay to play a game that they hate and are unsatisfied with....lol, sucks to be you.
I don't hate it... well... don't hate it that much. Just wish it wasn't so tedious. I hate coming home from work to goto work in a game.
I feel that we should be able to find a NON-CH pet (give us the animal track ability that rangers are loosing, we are the ones who need it. Also give us the ability to fully examine the animals in the wild, not just after taming), give it to the NON-CH owner and let him GROW it. The NON-CH still needs to come to a CH for training, so this takes nothing from us. I used to tame and train NON-CH pets for free, and normally got tipped hansomely anyway.
This game is stagnating for me, as I have my template I like and won't be changing it. So the prof XP grind has nothing for me. Grinding pets SUCKS, enough said. All that is left is what content there is, ie Quests. I am not a Jedi and will not be one. Started the FS stuff and stopped at Novice Combat Reflexes, so nothing there. Hoping that the new expansion will bring cool new pets to tame, and maybe some new CH quests (as there is only ONE in the entire game, and that is fairly easy).
Ok, off my soapbox now.
if it takes an entire day to lvl 1 non ch pet to mountable size...your doing somthing wrong.... I can get 3 or 4 roll overs an hr no prob(non-ch). I have yet to find a non ch pet that I couldnt mount up that quickly
I do like the idea of being able to track and examine the pets before we tame tho...
Fett402 wrote:
...I have yet to find a non ch pet that I couldnt mount up that quickly...
Message Edited by Traie on 09-18-2005 11:10 AM