Creature Handler Archive
Thread: You know ch is not the only one in the boat.
Dodece,
Why did you come to our house to tell us what to do?
We complain and rightfully so about our legitimately broken profession in the designated place. We are all Scouts as a prerequisite for CH the profession most of us chose.
Most of us also have some other adjunct combat profession. We know the ins and outs of other professions sometimes as well as our own. Does this somehow detract from the legitimacy of our complaints?
We have been lied to more than once. While some professions may face apathy from the Devs we have seen *enmity* demonstrated against us. We have been deceived and we have been handicapped and asked to like it. This is not right treatment nor is it fair treatment.
All of us with broken professions are suffering, some of us since the release of the game and others, CH among them, have been *made* to suffer later.
And above all, this is our designated place to post our opinions and our desires for our profession. No matter what form those posts might take this is where they belong. Nobody gets to tell us what we can and cannot argue or believe in regards to our profession here.
Dodece wrote:
Exactly how is being able to switch up pets in combat a good idea. I got what eighty thousand ham in my datapad. I should have access to that at a whim. Thats not a good idea thats a nightmare. If I fail to keep my pets alive through a battle. Then its my own dang fault. So it takes 45 seconds to store a pet after combat. If your in a town or POI dungeon. Once stored you can call a new pet. Gee I have been so wronged. I should be utterly peeved my bh took damage in that battle. Well it looks pretty bad I better wait to heal up. I should have known I was getting shafted all along. My bars should immediately refill the moment combat stops. You have a 45 second wait deal with it. Everyone else does.
Dodece wrote:
Well just so you know your not the only ones deceived or lied to. If you feal your truely being lied to.
The entire logic behind the post is that you have no greater value to gripe then anyone else. There is no special entitlement for this one profession over another. Infact I am a strong beleiver in that if profession a is more broken then say a profession b. Then profession a should get the help and attention.
Everyone got mislead about something at some point. Nobodies gripe is necassarily bigger then anyothers.
taloncard wrote:Underworld line in Smuggler. Take a look. Almost no benfit. Has been like that since they nerfed Faction pets.
Do
You need to read up.
Yes all professions are hurting, but there is supposed to be a SP/power ratio in this game. The more SP a profession takes the greater the benefits. The benefits of CH are far less than any other Elite profession.
While other professions were nefed by imporveing other professions, Ch was completely revamped to be useless. It was made so there would be no benefit at all to dabbleing. Find me another profession which 1 full tree does not give you decent benefits to the profession.
The devs spanked us hard with the nerf bat long before buffs, armor and weapons were fully in the game to their full potential. I have tanked creatures as a Master rifleman that my best pet would have signifent trouble with pre nerf.
Go play in PvP with your pets see how happy you are when your best pet lasts 3 seconds and then loses vit (which they aren't supposed to do anymore).
Do PvE and watch your CL50 rancor get spanked by a group of Cu-pa's.
Then tell me that there is no problem with the profession that others don't have it worse.
Go find our issues, every aspect of our profession was nerfed including our economy. Go out and try to take an order for a mount, then try to provide it. Hope you are patient.
ZallusNuranxis wrote:taloncard wrote:Underworld line in Smuggler. Take a look. Almost no benfit. Has been like that since they nerfed Faction pets.
Do
You need to read up.
Yes all professions are hurting, but there is supposed to be a SP/power ratio in this game. The more SP a profession takes the greater the benefits. The benefits of CH are far less than any other Elite profession.
While other professions were nefed by imporveing other professions, Ch was completely revamped to be useless. It was made so there would be no benefit at all to dabbleing. Find me another profession which 1 full tree does not give you decent benefits to the profession.
The devs spanked us hard with the nerf bat long before buffs, armor and weapons were fully in the game to their full potential. I have tanked creatures as a Master rifleman that my best pet would have signifent trouble with pre nerf.
Go play in PvP with your pets see how happy you are when your best pet lasts 3 seconds and then loses vit (which they aren't supposed to do anymore).
Do PvE and watch your CL50 rancor get spanked by a group of Cu-pa's.
Then tell me that there is no problem with the profession that others don't have it worse.
Go find our issues, every aspect of our profession was nerfed including our economy. Go out and try to take an order for a mount, then try to provide it. Hope you are patient.
Ok so the other 3 tress of smuggler are useless?
My point with that statement is if you get 1 full tree to CH there is no real benefit. You either master it or waste a bunch of skill points. All the skills were distrubuted so that would be the case.
Again, let us give your weapon HAM. Let us kill your weapon. And let us kill your weapon and you have to wait 60 seconds to pull another. You are comparing apples to oranges.
3000 Damage Special attack with BH flamethrower.
12K ham pet.
4 shots the Pet is dead (not counting burn).
200 Damage pet.
3000K ham BH.
Pet does no live long enough to kill BH.
I do not see your point. Nor any intelligent argument that even would infer a point. WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME BOAT. WE WERE NERFED TO INEFFECTIVENESS. GET YOUR HOLOGRINDING DONE AND LEAVE.
Dodece wrote:
Your total professions done will help you to become a jedi. Except if you mastered a profession before publish then it don't count.
Your total professions never counted nor did any developer tell usthey did. This was beaten to death in the Jedi forums while we were still coming to grips with the "5 Random Professions" version of the unlocking system. The Devs did finally come forward and in roundabout manner admit that their lame system had been outed but without ever giving us any information we didn't already have.
Dodece wrote:
Hurrah thanks for stateing a point they just out right ignore when it comes from me.
The point of not calling out new pets in combat is that its utterly unfair. One of the bonuses of ch is extra ham but not 180000 ham. You get a huge chunk of extra ham added in with a moderate increase in attack power. If chs were able to just switch up points willy nilly then you can bet on some things they would simply just call out one pet after another.
Hey, Bubba Fezz, 180000 ham pet, dead in 5 seconds, ooo...BIG FRICKN' DEAL! And attack power? YEAH!!! I GET AN EXTRA 200 POINTS OF DAMAGE TO HIT MAYBE ONE OR 2 TIMES!!! Use a stim B pal, I think you'll be okay. And I'll give you 1 point for the willy nilly, would have been more, but gotta be more imaginative bro. And yeah, calling out one pet after another might be contrude as wrong, but hey, pulling out a carbine and doing a stat down with dizzy then pulling out a pistol and eye shotting me to death ain't very nice either. Oh OH, better yet, BH Pistoleer, hits me with Pistolwhip then eye shot me. SEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 2 different professions get the benefit of both, BUT ONLY USE ONE WEAPON!!!! HEY!!! We have to use 2 to get the beneift, where's the difference bro?
Your analogy is cracked everytime I switch up a weapon my ham dosent pop back to full. Everytime you switch up a pet you get a new full ham bar. After I am done with combat hairy enough to near kill a large creature pet. I have to step back and let my bars refill. A creature pet can get replenished by 4000 points of ham useing good pet stims in a minute. I have use stim bs for a similar result for my bh. So ch gets rehealers at no added skill costs.
WHOA!!!! Point me in the direction of these 4000 point pet stims! Most i've ever seen with pet stims are 1200 maybe 1500. Now, I will give you this, you don't need skill to use a pet stim, but however, our pets aren't the only ones getting blasted, so are we, especially if we go up and try to heal them. so while our pets might be a fresh as a daisy, guess what Bubba Fezz, we're still licking our wounds too. Why don't you do like we do, spend at least 15 points and get that novice Medic Bar and get some stim Bs.
Another thing focusing solo on ambush situation is silly. Alot of professions are vulnerable to ambushes. If a tka gets coldcocked by a riflemen at 64 meters. The tka does start at a disadvantage. The same is true for a combat medic. If someone gets the drop on them at 64 meters. The difference is that a ch can set pets to guard. You hate not being able to call pets inside dungeons. Well dungeons are supposed to be more difficult. Do not get your pet killed and take your time of it.
"Do not get your pet killed and take your time of it." OOOOOOOO!!!! HEY GUYS, DON'T GET YOUR PET KILLED!!!! WHY DIDN'T WE THINK OF THAT!!! Man, you are just so smart Bubba. Seriously, if you were at all knowlegable at CH you would realize that in Dungeons, more times than not, pets are not a viable option, cause 1) they run off, 2) you spend more time tanking for them than visa versa 3) you spend more time healing them than fighting. Then there is the all famous AUTOSTORE!! oh wait, sorry, we made that one up, cause you have never experianced it. Let your gun autostore and see if it's fair that you can't call it back out till after combat. oh wait, all non CHs only get a 5 second delay WHILE DURING COMBAT!
Not being able to just call a pet at any moment is a good idea. People would abuse it. People would simply call two pets and tank against one thing and take turns switching out the pets. Part of not being able to call a new pet every time combat stops is part of a system to keep people from playing king of the hill. Especially in town defenses. Now I am completely dumbfounded as to exactly why you think it would be fair to have something like this. After all I am sure medics would love to be able to apply wound packs in the middle of combat. To beat off diseases and burns.
Put 10k ham on your pistol there, give it the same defenses as our pets, don't let it store in combat, or allow you to change it out during combat and let us be able to target it. Then you tell me.
The game is based on checks and balances. You get a 10000 ham beasty you can use. Its only logical that haveing that gift comes at the price of something else. If you are just so consumed by the fear of pvp ambush you can simply go about with a generic pvp pet. You can buy these from be. I got one that has resists to all but cold and light sabre, and though the resists are not 80 percent kind of stuff. Thirty percent resists across the board is not bad.
30% resists = 2 seconds more of life. Generic PvP pet, that a new rare that they put out there? oh wait, that must be the Ultra Tamable Rare. Get real Bubba, unless you are going after the guys in the doc line waiting to be buffed, you are gonna do 2 things, Jack and **edit**e, and Jack left town.
A pet is and I repeat a combat multiplier. It multiplies your defense and your offense. It is not your soul defense and offense. Its also a multiplier with limits. You only get so much. I am sure that the melee classes would love to be coded to perfect evasions, or chefs would love to make 10000 ham boosters. Giveing a ch access to this much ham in any sort of combat situation not only goes beyond the limits of fairness. It goes beyond the limits of logic. You even have the option of combineing resists and different attacks by being able to call two pets at once.
Multiplies Defense....how???? Multiplies Offense the same way as a rifle multiplies your offense, how a sword multiplies someone's offence...HEY!!! BUBBA FEZZ!!! IT'S OUR WEAPON OF CHOICE!!!
Come back when you actually have a logical flaw. Not a wish of god hood.
Never once did I say god hood. I actually just want a fairness to be granted. Come the Combat Rebalance we will probably have it. I dont' want it back so that all the dabblers can have 3 rancors and kicking butt. But I want to be CH and Master CH to mean something. You obviouly have no idea what you are talking about 99.99% of the time when it comes to CH Bubba Fezz, but hey, ignorance is bliss. We don't go trolling the BH forum stating that the current state of BH is fine and that we don't see any problems and we've been playing BH for a while now.
You say myanalogies are cracked, no Bubba Fezz, the only crack around here is helping you focus more obsurly through your rose colored glasses that you are attempting to put on us. I'll say it again, maybe even slowly so even YOU can understand. Keep saying what you want, but you will get flamed every time by someone till you go back and read a bit and actually learn a bit about what you are talking about.
Ranger has2 full lines uslessand almost no point in getting master. You can be 0/1/3/0 and buy all the camo kits and there would be no difference then a Master. Beat that
ZallusNuranxis wrote:
taloncard wrote:Underworld line in Smuggler. Take a look. Almost no benfit. Has been like that since they nerfed Faction pets.
Do
You need to read up.
Yes all professions are hurting, but there is supposed to be a SP/power ratio in this game. The more SP a profession takes the greater the benefits. The benefits of CH are far less than any other Elite profession.
While other professions were nefed by imporveing other professions, Ch was completely revamped to be useless. It was made so there would be no benefit at all to dabbleing. Find me another profession which 1 full tree does not give you decent benefits to the profession.
The devs spanked us hard with the nerf bat long before buffs, armor and weapons were fully in the game to their full potential. I have tanked creatures as a Master rifleman that my best pet would have signifent trouble with pre nerf.
Go play in PvP with your pets see how happy you are when your best pet lasts 3 seconds and then loses vit (which they aren't supposed to do anymore).
Do PvE and watch your CL50 rancor get spanked by a group of Cu-pa's.
Then tell me that there is no problem with the profession that others don't have it worse.
Go find our issues, every aspect of our profession was nerfed including our economy. Go out and try to take an order for a mount, then try to provide it. Hope you are patient.