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Thread: This hate system................

enigma_writer
Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:21 pm
#27

Hate system is broken and devs ARE aware of it.


Ko-a more then anyone else on the CU team worked hard to make sure devs are aware of it and these next 2 weeks playing the game are going to be full of bugs.


Milteck (BEAST)
Wabit
Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:53 am
#28

since this game is going to the EQ2 format of play and i have alot of experiance with the hate system, tanking, and where each prof comes into play... heres my take from posts from the different profession boards... now take this with a grain of salt cause i haven't played SWG since the launch of EQ2... yet after capping out in EQ2 and the recent changes there i have no desire to play it at the moment...


the hate system is wacky right now... it'll be adjusted sometime... there are only 2 direct taunts(one single, one area) and 4 taunt multipliers... and 0 indirect taunts (group buffs are big hate generators in EQ2)...


CH fits in the roll of a cong/necro... meaning their pet will not be main tanks for encounters... they will be the utility guy... have their pets pick up agro on adds andfree dps to the group...


rifles are a pure dps profession... if they nuke hard at the start of a fight they can say hello to their corpse... they have go slowand spread their nukes out...


now depending on how some on the skills crossover(and aren't broke)here would be my ideal tank:

Trandoshan MPike/MSword/MBrawler/TK 0,0,4,4/Combat Prowess 0,0,1,4/Enhanced Reflexes 4,4,0,0


this would be one of the better hate building profs...


Wabit



I can just see a "Wait for the Combat Revamp" and "Wait for the Smuggler Revamp" quote all rolled into one.
"Wait for the Smuggbat Revamp"
Smuggbat, I like that
Jolandir
Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:20 am
#29


Sorry this got posted twice.

Message Edited by Jolandir on 04-28-2005 08:21 AM

jopenack
Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:30 am
#30


To our 3 testers who have responded to this thread


I sincerely say, Thank You


All 3 of you have given us more feedback and information that can be considered constructive and hopeful. While I am sure others have been testing dilligently for the community, you people have have both worked hard and have tried to assure te people posting in this thread that things will be ok.


The fear of violating the gag order has many people terrified of helping relieve the fears of the community, with a little play on words you all have done much inthe littleroom allowable to you.


This is not meant to belittle anyone nor insult anyone who has not posted in the thread, its simply meant to give credit where credit is due.


If I missed a tester in here then I am sorry and kudo's to you also.


As far as the 3 honorable men I have mentioned here goes, you gentleman are constantly validating the respect that each of you have earned with me. Even if we don't agree on everything its irrelivent, respect is freely given to a degree thenthe rest must be earned, and you good sirs have earned much.


/Bow


"Thank You"


Message Edited by jopenack on 04-28-2005 11:30 AM



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Ricbr
Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:19 am
#31

I try to give you all what I can...where I can...and in a way where I wont get in trouble. I dont post a ton like some of the folks since I am in testing and /bugging things as much as I can. I also try to get to my live server once a day...and I have a family (wife and 2 kids) so I do what I can. I personally think alot of what we have seen or been told behind the closed boards should be mentioned out here both to calm people down...and give them some hope.

I have been a CH since day 1...I was in the original beta test with the first 100 folks into the game and I was working on CH there. It is the profession that I will leave the game with.

I will be honest...folks that have been in here as of late bashing others like Vert had got me very down on this community (meuw is a good example of this)...but a simple post such as this is more then enough to lift a person back up again. For that I thank you Jopenack. I cant say that I have always agreed with you as of late...but we are all different and think differently.

Of my experiences in the Alpha/Beta I can honestly say that some things need work. Immediately being the "Hate". But like I said...that will be addressed early. Issues such as the pets with no HAM...this should have gone to live in a "Fixed" state. I havent been in to see for sure yet though (at work now). I am not 100 percent sure on the specials and all of that right now so I wont comment.

All in all i expect us to be close to where we were prior to the upgrade. ALot of folks wanted better...and we voiced that concern. As it was said in public a few times...It was said to us in private. Alot of things for us were out of the scope of the Upgrade. I fully expect based on the responses that we had to have some type of pass over later on to improve us and make the pets what they need to be based on the original concept for the CU with our profession. No idea on a timeline there..I wouldnt want to take a guess. But since they have more staff hopefully it will come sooner then later.

Glad I could help some of you out with the testing. And thanks again for the post Jopenack

Message Edited by Ricbr on 04-28-2005 01:21 PM

Kitoth
Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:39 am
#32

Just want to echo Jope's sentinments re: our testing crew and Vert. Of all the correspondents and testers, I had the most faith in you guys of any of them, to fight for our profession as hard as you could, even if it was futile.


As to them "fixing" the hate system or any other critical fixes that they may or may not do, if they don't do them during the time frame they've allotted for people to do respecs, a lot of people are going to be very upset. Those potential fixes could totally change someone's respec options, and if they come too late.... grrrr!






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InspGadgt
Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:12 am
#33


"On a side note alot more babies are out there.,and CL's have been rearranged alot...ex...Graul Maulers are now cl 51, prowling gurrecks are now cl56....many...many more. also it appears the max ham on tamed pets is just under 8k."


8K HAM max on a tamed pet? Geesh! My BE level 68 Kimo when converted has just over 5K HAM. I only hope the new resistances help make up for it's massive loss of HAM. Still it is extremely disheartening to know that a natural pet has a HAM almost 30% higher then my expensive near max level pets.


Message Edited by InspGadgt on 04-28-2005 12:14 PM



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