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Thread: DOH! I just spent 15mil on that pet....

Samn
Sat May 28, 2005 3:26 pm
#14

yeah, now, there's the problem... i heard that they WERN'T exploits... :/ so, was i misinformed and lied to? 'cause i was told that they were just fine, and not considered an exploit! DAG YO!
Chessack
Sat May 28, 2005 3:47 pm
#15

It was CLEARLY not correct that a level 1(0) pet would be more powerful than a level 70 pet. Anyone who did not realize this does not understand levels at all, at a minimum, or is just plain fooling himself.

We know that under the new system, "Level is King" -- that level determines EVERYTHING about a toon, be it NPC, creature, or player character -- what damage you can do, what weapon/armor you can use, what defense you have, how much health you have, etc. You can't honestly expect me or anyone else to believe you thought it was an intended design feature to make the lowest level pets in the game far more powerful than the highest level pets in the game. Or if you did, you were extremely naive.

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Electro5
Sat May 28, 2005 3:52 pm
#16

Well, indirectly, yes. You were lied to. The pets themselves are not exploits, just something that was never changed. However, using them is exploiting, taking advantage of something that shouldn't be in the game and has unbalancing effects.



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RaidCasto
Sat May 28, 2005 4:13 pm
#17

/sigh. some people take video games waay too seriously. 'unbalancing effects'??? yes, I was able to wipe out entire legions of players with it in pvp.... thousands were forever scarred.... they WERE in the game, they existed, therefore they are. those that support the CU have really supported the dumbing down of this game. rare, unique items & weapons are gone due to 'balance'...professions are all 'equal'(nerfed and similar)... even your stats which you could tinker with to get dfferent results are gone(poor ID's)... now, we are all 'equal'-and it seems much more like just a video game.



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novastarswg
Sat May 28, 2005 7:16 pm
#18

I had a 1(0) pet Gurrek from way back that I used as a pistoleer.
I actually purchased him way back when he was a level 10 BE. I simply wanted a non-ch pet I could call and he was honestly the 1st one i ran across. Then he became too powerful for a non-CH to call. NP. I became a CH. Then I left the game for a year and came back after the CU. I was able to use him, but they said he was a level 50 pet. OK, cool, NP. Now update 17 says he has illeagal stats. I really have no problem with that, except that they give me no option to respec him. I don't care if he is nerfed to proper levels, just let me do it and be able to call him. That is all I ask - do something except give me a message that he is uncallable. Gee, I kinda even think it would be better if they just deleted him. At least I would have closure.


For the people who are crying over the 1(0) pets and no sympathy. I understand your schism toward peeps who wanted to exploit, but not everyone was exploiting - some of us just like our pets. I pait 5k for him way overa year ago, so I am not out $. But, he was my companion for many adventures. It will not be the same game without him.
ZeroTolerance881
Sat May 28, 2005 8:11 pm
#19






novastarswg wrote:

I had a 1(0) pet Gurrek from way back that I used as a pistoleer.
I actually purchased him way back when he was a level 10 BE. I simply wanted a non-ch pet I could call and he was honestly the 1st one i ran across. Then he became too powerful for a non-CH to call. NP. I became a CH. Then I left the game for a year and came back after the CU. I was able to use him, but they said he was a level 50 pet. OK, cool, NP. Now update 17 says he has illeagal stats. I really have no problem with that, except that they give me no option to respec him. I don't care if he is nerfed to proper levels, just let me do it and be able to call him. That is all I ask - do something except give me a message that he is uncallable. Gee, I kinda even think it would be better if they just deleted him. At least I would have closure.


For the people who are crying over the 1(0) pets and no sympathy. I understand your schism toward peeps who wanted to exploit, but not everyone was exploiting - some of us just like our pets. I pait 5k for him way overa year ago, so I am not out $. But, he was my companion for many adventures. It will not be the same game without him.






Agreed ... but you cant realy knock the people who used the lvl 1(0)'s ... yes useing a pet like this is taking advantage of a bug



which is the exact definition of an exploit



Its this simple ...


Give us the pets ... make them have the level option that makes them the level they should be


I also prefer it to work



Where I know if my pet will come out too high


for example my lvl 1 gurreck would probably be around 60 if he got a level change



but my 600 damage rancor which is currently a lvl 50


would clearly go higher ... unfortunatley



but hey we dont even get the chance





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Chessack
Sat May 28, 2005 9:07 pm
#20

Nova --

I 100% agree with you that you should be given the option to scale your level 10 pet back to the proper power level and call him. Leaving a beloved pet "uncallable" with no possible remedy is not acceptable and SOE needs to fix this.

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Scott916
Sat May 28, 2005 10:14 pm
#21

Level 1(0) pets were one thing after the CU that gave non-jedi a fighting chance against a full-template jedi 1 on 1. If jedi could have pets they never would have been nerfed I bet. And for those who cry exploit about using "pre-nerf pets"...how many of you have a no-condition ubese shirt, bandoleer, and mabari belt with your best attachments in them?..how many of you continued to use modded BE clothing at 0/1000 condition since the mods still work? Non-jedi are nothing but meat-shields in PVP now, level 1 (0) pets didn't need to be killed off...they needed to be the norm after the CU.



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KzinKiller
Sun May 29, 2005 12:12 am
#22

No sympathy for the exploit 1(0) pets, but a lot of sympathy for people who bought good BE pets only to watch them become meek, worthless decorations.

And a *ton* of sympathy for BE's, because who is going to pay good money for an 'elite' pet now, knowing we're always one patch away from it becoming fertilizer? The devs have never understood that the most important factor in keeping the player economy alive is consumer confidence ... you must know that what you buy today will have value tomorrow, and they have made that impossible ... again ...




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Chessack
Sun May 29, 2005 12:15 am
#23



KzinKiller wrote:

And a *ton* of sympathy for BE's, because who is going to pay good money for an 'elite' pet now, knowing we're always one patch away from it becoming fertilizer? The devs have never understood that the most important factor in keeping the player economy alive is consumer confidence ... you must know that what you buy today will have value tomorrow, and they have made that impossible ... again ...




Excellent point.

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Dejah Thoris
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Ekaw
Sun May 29, 2005 9:34 am
#24



There is a big diff between pre nerf and exploit. These pets wer pre nerf, I had two level 1(0) rancors i have had FOREVER and the only people that complain about them are the folks that dont have them. Also, no non ch cannot call a rancor skin no matter the level.


ALSO, they were inferior to EVERY other pet in my datapad until the curb. I am just pissed for sentimental reasons.


I have had them forever and I can't even call them now, not that I ever used them but jeesh. They screwed me big time and I cant delete them as they were gifts.


So, every marabi armorweave belt with +20 rifle speed, every ubes shirt with +12000 meless defense should be nerfed as well.


This is a big @# to the devs.


ALSO,


WHY THE HECK are my


mantrigure screecher, gaping spider queen(S), prowling gurrek, arachne widow (if i had them bull rancor, frenzied graul, great plains stalker) not the ELITE best most uber pets in the game???


Do the devs not know how long I searched for those animals?

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Electro5
Sun May 29, 2005 10:07 am
#25

They aren't pre-nerf, they were never useable in original form. They are a byproduct of a patch, something that really was never intended to happen anyway.


Marbari Belts and Ubese shirts are pre-nerf, because they were intended to be able to hold armor attachments at one time. Do they still need to be fixed? In my opinion, not until all clothing gets the same. All clothing attachments are permanent in the system as it is now, armor attachments should be no different. If anything, those items that previously held armor attachments should be made to again, until they make it so that any clothing decayed to 0 is not wearable/does not grant mods. Both need to be fixed, screwing armor attachments but leaving clothing attachments forever permanent is not an answer.


Is using those prior armor attachment holding clothing items an exploit? Sure. Would I expect anyone using these to sometime in the future get screwed? Sure. I admit that I have 1 ubese shirt that has a +10 to thrown weapon accuracy. I don't expect to keep that forever, and I don't expect to get anything in return for it when it is fixed.


These pets are exploits in the same way. The only difference is that there is little attachment to a shirt or a belt, but perhaps you have some to a pet, not because its uber powerful (which it is, a level 1 pet with more HAM than half the creatures in the game is powerful, regardless of whether its more powerful than everything or not), but because it is your companion. I wouldn't see any harm in balancing these pets, rather than simply making them unusable. I have sympathy for that. But at the same time, you are exploiting in a minor way, so I would not expect to see anything from it. I personally would, but in the eyes of the devs maybe there isn't as much compassion.





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albybum
Sun May 29, 2005 10:17 am
#26




novastarswg wrote:

I had a 1(0) pet Gurrek from way back that I used as a pistoleer... I was able to use him, but they said he was a level 50 pet. OK, cool, NP. Now update 17 says he has illeagal stats.




Exact same situation. Mine was registering as a CL50 creature when I called it. Now I can't call it at all and didn't have an option in the matter. I just want the option to fix the pet, I don't care what her stats turn out to be.

Message Edited by albybum on 05-29-2005 01:18 PM



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