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Message Edited by Joker9125 on 04-05-2005 01:31 PM

MCH/MP/BH 3140 vs MCH/MC/BH 3410

Pistols pros/cons

Pros

Good Crowd Control and 1 on 1 fights

Better defense

Ability to wear every armor type

More state effects

Cons

Not as accurate

Not as fast

Dosent completely negate the negative effects of any armor

Carbines pros/cons

Pros

Good AOEs and Group fights

Better Speed

Better Accuracy

Cure Dizzy

More AOE attacks

Great with battle armor

Cons

Less defense

Less states

Limited Armor Avaliability

Message Edited by Joker9125 on 04-05-2005 12:58 PM

Message Edited by Combat_Medic_to_be on 04-06-2005 08:42 PM

Thank you. We need more like this. MCH/(present and future)MBH speak up! I really want to know how the CU is for CHers especially.

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Joker9125 wrote:

Pros of MCH/BH

Pros

Ability to land any state

Ability to deal 2 types of damage at once

Energy/Energy

Kinetic/Kinetic

Kinetic/Energy

Good for any situation

Cons

Unknown if CH abilites will count for hitpoints

Unknown how pets will fair in PvP and PvE

Message Edited by Joker9125 on 04-05-2005 12:58 PM

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Joker9125 wrote:

Pros of MCH/BH

Pros

Ability to land any state

Ability to deal 2 types of damage at once

Energy/Energy

Kinetic/Kinetic

Kinetic/Energy

Good for any situation

Cons

Unknown if CH abilites will count for hitpoints

Unknown how pets will fair in PvP and PvE

Message Edited by Joker9125 on 04-05-2005 12:58 PM

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Ah I didn't see this, never fear, all elite combat proffesion masteries result in more HP. And since CH was on that little chart they made, It sounds like we're officialy combat. I know this because I spent all last night looking at the ranger forum, those guys are furious that they aren't considered combat proffesions, and with just cause, they can't master another elite proffesion in addition to master ranger, so no extra HP for them....the point of it is, even CH gets the HP boosts, it's on the combat chart.

Message Edited by theorb22 on 04-06-2005 02:56 PM

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Combat_Medic_to_be wrote:
...I couldn't believe my eyes, but pistoleers get 130% mitigation to RoF alone so it looks like they could well stack past 100%
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I consider this to be more suggestive that only the highest mitigation skill that you have counts. For example from pistoleer, you can get a 30%, 40%, and 60% rate of fire mitigation, leading to the 130% you noted. I think that it is much more likely that you only get the 60% figure at master pistoleer, rather than getting a speed *bonus* from armor or even that mitigations cap at 100%.

Specifically with relation to CH + insert_favorite_elite_combat_here, I wonder how they will determine the bonuses you will get, since it has been said it will correctly relate to the weapon you are holding... Will we get the armor mitigation from CH only if we have a pet out? Only if we have a pet out and no weapon equipped (less likely, I think). Can only speculate till elite prof. testing happens, I guess.

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LecheHombre wrote:

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Combat_Medic_to_be wrote:
...I couldn't believe my eyes, but pistoleers get 130% mitigation to RoF alone so it looks like they could well stack past 100%
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I consider this to be more suggestive that only the highest mitigation skill that you have counts. For example from pistoleer, you can get a 30%, 40%, and 60% rate of fire mitigation, leading to the 130% you noted. I think that it is much more likely that you only get the 60% figure at master pistoleer, rather than getting a speed *bonus* from armor or even that mitigations cap at 100%.

Specifically with relation to CH + insert_favorite_elite_combat_here, I wonder how they will determine the bonuses you will get, since it has been said it will correctly relate to the weapon you are holding... Will we get the armor mitigation from CH only if we have a pet out? Only if we have a pet out and no weapon equipped (less likely, I think). Can only speculate till elite prof. testing happens, I guess.

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We might even get both mitigations by accident, who knows?

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theorb22 wrote:

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LecheHombre wrote:

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Combat_Medic_to_be wrote:
...I couldn't believe my eyes, but pistoleers get 130% mitigation to RoF alone so it looks like they could well stack past 100%
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I consider this to be more suggestive that only the highest mitigation skill that you have counts. For example from pistoleer, you can get a 30%, 40%, and 60% rate of fire mitigation, leading to the 130% you noted. I think that it is much more likely that you only get the 60% figure at master pistoleer, rather than getting a speed *bonus* from armor or even that mitigations cap at 100%.

Specifically with relation to CH + insert_favorite_elite_combat_here, I wonder how they will determine the bonuses you will get, since it has been said it will correctly relate to the weapon you are holding... Will we get the armor mitigation from CH only if we have a pet out? Only if we have a pet out and no weapon equipped (less likely, I think). Can only speculate till elite prof. testing happens, I guess.

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We might even get both mitigations by accident, who knows?

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not so loudly, they might hear you. its about time the CHs finally got a break.

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Cyprus301 wrote:

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theorb22 wrote:

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LecheHombre wrote:

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Combat_Medic_to_be wrote:
...I couldn't believe my eyes, but pistoleers get 130% mitigation to RoF alone so it looks like they could well stack past 100%
...

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I consider this to be more suggestive that only the highest mitigation skill that you have counts. For example from pistoleer, you can get a 30%, 40%, and 60% rate of fire mitigation, leading to the 130% you noted. I think that it is much more likely that you only get the 60% figure at master pistoleer, rather than getting a speed *bonus* from armor or even that mitigations cap at 100%.

Specifically with relation to CH + insert_favorite_elite_combat_here, I wonder how they will determine the bonuses you will get, since it has been said it will correctly relate to the weapon you are holding... Will we get the armor mitigation from CH only if we have a pet out? Only if we have a pet out and no weapon equipped (less likely, I think). Can only speculate till elite prof. testing happens, I guess.

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We might even get both mitigations by accident, who knows?

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not so loudly, they might hear you. its about time the CHs finally got a break.

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Trust me, they won't hear us. I think we got a dev in here in the JTL beta when it messed up all pet sounds, but im pretty sure no one ever saw him again. He fixed most of the sounds though....but anyway, I don't believe we've seen any other devs in a year or more :/.

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Joker9125 wrote:

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-Devil- wrote:

i am seriously considering a template along this line

MCH/MCommando/Novice Doc

tho with more testing i will decide for sure, .. just basing this on watching combat spam while fighting creatures and how they are handling the damgage ... it looks like pets may become a viable 'tank' option again which would go good with a nice ranged damage dealing prof.

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This is no longer a valid choice. As I have said many many times before and if you read the changes to AI youll know this as well. Things will attack whatever is doing the MOST damage to them so if your outdamaging your pet whatever mob your shooting is gonna ignore it and go STRAIGHT for you.

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I have read this before too, but i dont get it as it would contradict the whole concept of the CU.
What sense would the role of tankers (TKA with good defenses but moderate damage output) have, when as soon as a swordman or rifleman hits the target it runs from the tanker and takes on the damage dealer?