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Thread: Why are the devs killing CH?

glawton
Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:56 am
#14

Yep, I always said I wouldn't, but I'm very close to selling off all my uber pets for credits. And I have some good ones, too. Probably sell myflamers as welland completely retool my MCH/Flame 4 character.


Holding off until I see what Publish 7 does. Maybe Publish 8, but I don't know what the heck that's gonna do or when it's coming out.


Many professions have been nerfed, but none have been nerfed into oblivion like MCHs and CHs have.


The only thing pets are good for now is to block the view of your enemy. And they only do that for about 10 seconds and then they are dead.





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ratlif
Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:39 am
#15

trophy profession...not effective in pvp at all, noticed the resists of my pets not doing anything against the specials of people i fight.

i won't be happy until every baby is tamable and until we can have a pet match that of a at-st



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CaptVonbek
Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:08 am
#16

I am not a CH, but my friends are. I am infact a MDE. You have nothing to fear from combat droids, trust me. they are all gonna be CL10, and no new skins. just same old probot with higher damage, and no armor. If they are a flash in the pan i will be very happy as it means i can actually make some money at last. Headshot 1 from a laser will bring down a new probot with ease. Pets are still gonna dominate the field.
Wabit
Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:16 am
#17






ratlif wrote:

trophy profession...not effective in pvp at all, noticed the resists of my pets not doing anything against the specials of people i fight.

wild rancor takes 5 secs to kill so does a tamed one in PvP...


i won't be happy until every baby is tamable and until we can have a pet match that of a at-st


every baby is tamable in some way... i say NO to a pet that equals an AT-ST, thats an I WIN button for everything in the game... thats why they made them for faction only now... and they got nerfed awhile ago too (sadly)... if something like that happens, the forums here will be all NERF again (boring)



Wabit




I can just see a "Wait for the Combat Revamp" and "Wait for the Smuggler Revamp" quote all rolled into one.
"Wait for the Smuggbat Revamp"
Smuggbat, I like that
kolos42
Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:05 pm
#18




They're bringing in combat droids.






Every CH needs to be made well aware, as well as the droid consumers out there, that EVERY last combat droid will be capable of being one-shot killed by a novice of nearly any elite profession. (This includes most artisan profs as well)



Im not belittling the state of the CH profession, I am one, in fact.... but combat droids will be a flash in the pan over faster than the probot craze of June last year.



Loric


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{Loric- Master Swordsman, Brawler, TKA}
{Etrigan- Master WS, Merchant, Artisan}
{Iox- Master Pikeman, Master Medic, Master Doctor}
Thror
Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:27 pm
#19

My God, spending 5 minutes in this forum would be enough to completely destroy even Richard Simmon's perky demeanor. You CH regulars are more depressing than aroom full of undertakers.


Yeah, the CH profession is in need of some TLC right now (unless the mythical combat balance brings everything in line), and yeah our profession is riddled with bugs (I'm a 4/3/3/4 CH with intent to master), and yeah we enjoy nowhere near the power that we did in our heyday. But I honestly don't think we're useless.


You want to know what my pets do for me as a master Fencer? They spare my HAM and allow me to take down tough creatues I would ordinarily need to be buffed to bring down. They also let me do things like poison my prey, disease my enemies and apply status effects not available to a fencer. All of these things are useful, and are in keeping with the CH's role as a COMBAT SUPPORT CLASS. We're not a "support class", we're a combat support class. Our pets directly aid us in combat but they ARE NOT OUR PRIMARY WEAPONS. Get over it, you need a primary means of offense to deal out the damage your pets cannot deal, or your are wasting your time in the profession.


The way I see it, a properly educated and equipped (IE, posessing the right pets) CH is akin to a blend of doctor and combat medic. Our pets function as abuff and a DOT in one.


Please note I'm not saying the class is perfect. I want the autostoring and the cowardly pet syndrome problems to be fixed as much as the rest of you. I'd also like the Developers to get off their dead arses and give our special 1,2 and ranged attack commands the utility that they promised (without ridiculous macro workarounds). But I'm not going to come to these boards with a doom and gloom story lamenting over how badly our professions SuxX0rZ. Because we don't suck! Our role in the grand scheme of things has just changed. Deal with it or get the hell out of here.



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Cthulhu1890
Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:20 pm
#20






CaptVonbek wrote:

I am not a CH, but my friends are. I am infact a MDE. You have nothing to fear from combat droids, trust me. they are all gonna be CL10, and no new skins. just same old probot with higher damage, and no armor. If they are a flash in the pan i will be very happy as it means i can actually make some money at last. Headshot 1 from a laser will bring down a new probot with ease. Pets are still gonna dominate the field.






That whole "no armor" thing is generally considered a bug. The reason the resists and armor are so low are because right now on TC a lvl 3 armor module is the same as a lvl 4, 5, and 6.
SkyPreacher1
Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:33 pm
#21

Hey,


I like it Combat Support Class, even though it says "Elite".


Let me put it to you all, the newbs and the oldtimers, months ago we rocked. We were one of the few professions that actually functioned near to what we were supposed to. So instead of fixing every other profession to work properly ( i mean think of it, you got 30 some other professions) what is easier, to fix all them or nerf one. BINGO you got it nerf the one that is working.


Simple, I used to rely on my pets to help me kill Krayt dragons, I don't anymore, I kill them myself. When my pet steps into the fight and the combat adjustment bug (cowardly pet my a$$)goes off so do my pets. Plus I found, I DON"T NEED THEM. Sad isn't it. I use to use 2 graul maulers to hold a canyon krayt, do damage while i shot it. Now, it's me and the pet doesn't last more than 20 seconds toe to toe with a krayt dragon. So I don't use it, why lose vitality.


But, I need my pets to do Bull Rancors etc. and guess what, I solo (in a way) more dangerous mobs than anyone I know in my guild. TKA is the new meat stopper. I REFUSE TO BE TKA, I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE. Everyone and their dog is a tka, not me. I am happy dealing damage with my cl 64 razor cat and my flame thrower.


Droids, from what I read, are going to be a joke, level 20 they say, I go a level 20 droid is a dead droid. LOL had someone pull a probot out on me the other day, it didn't last 2 seconds, target, flame, Smoking ruin. Sadly I saw same person pull out a gaping spider and attack me,My razor cat when swish swish, dead spider. Don't worry about droids, I mean forget the move and the rolecons or whatever they were, we won't see them in this game, and they were cool. Poor DE's.


Don't get too down guys cause just like my sig says we are still the coolest profession in the game.





....and then no matter how hard we get nerfed, we still keep CH because we are still some of the coolest characters on the game.

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Daisame
Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:00 am
#22

Yeah... thats what they intened. They wanted people to be able to tank at least as good as a good pet and turn it back into Star Wars and less like Pet Wars. I love CH, but I did not want to see hundreds of Graul Maulers all over the place owning everything. What is the point of playing the game. Yes, they could have made the twin Graul Mauler the benchmark and adjusted all the creatures and players up to compensate, like you suggest, or they could bring down CH a notch or two. In the end, the result would have been the same, except it would have taken about 30 times as long.



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Pongo_
Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:12 am
#23

i love punishment


i am a mch/ master smuggler


talk about use less............lol............cry





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Wabit
Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:32 am
#24


SkyPreacher1 wrote:


"Simple, I used to rely on my pets to help me kill Krayt dragons, I don't anymore, I kill them myself. When my pet steps into the fight and the combat adjustment bug (cowardly pet my a$$)goes off so do my pets. Plus I found, I DON"T NEED THEM. Sad isn't it. I use to use 2 graul maulers to hold a canyon krayt, do damage while i shot it. Now, it's me and the pet doesn't last more than 20 seconds toe to toe with a krayt dragon. So I don't use it, why lose vitality."


only way that i know to completely solo a krayt are to get a canyon and juy to agro each other, and get them trapped in between houses or on a harvestor... one former is fine, the latter is an exploit (i submited a CRS ticket and asked)... just FYI, cause i do know of one person that has been banned for this (not me, i get them to agro, if i don't get killed it works great)... love your sig, its so true


Daisame wrote:


Yeah... thats what they intened. They wanted people to be able to tank at least as good as a good pet and turn it back into Star Wars and less like Pet Wars. I love CH, but I did not want to see hundreds of Graul Maulers all over the place owning everything. What is the point of playing the game. Yes, they could have made the twin Graul Mauler the benchmark and adjusted all the creatures and players up to compensate, like you suggest, or they could bring down CH a notch or two. In the end, the result would have been the same, except it would have taken about 30 times as long.


so very sad but true...


its nice to see i have a 1* fan lmao... that must mean that i hit a nerve and they can't think of a reply, or my grammer and spelling need improvement (which they do)... i'm just always curious to see why i get any ratings... i also like to have actual forum convertations about topics...


Wabit



I can just see a "Wait for the Combat Revamp" and "Wait for the Smuggler Revamp" quote all rolled into one.
"Wait for the Smuggbat Revamp"
Smuggbat, I like that
Indene
Thu Mar 11, 2004 2:21 am
#25


enigma_writer wrote:

Creature Handler is a support profession.

What they wanted was for the handlers to stop relying on their pets and use own abilities to win at pvp.





And what abilities are those? A CH gets no abilities *EXCEPT* their pets.

-Indene-



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Wabit
Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:05 am
#26






Indene wrote:




enigma_writer wrote:

Creature Handler is a support profession.


What they wanted was for the handlers to stop relying on their pets and use own abilities to win at pvp.






And what abilities are those? A CH gets no abilities *EXCEPT* their pets.

-Indene-






the for abilities hes talking about another combat profession... not /yell a and 3 GSP's attack your target (but that was alot of fun to watch :smileyvery-happy... before we learned to be buffed at all times this was one of many deadly combos... for friendly duels the norm was no DB, no pets...


PvP in itself means player verus player... i think thats what the dev's want it to be not player verus player and pets... there were times when you would see more pets than PC's fighting in Theed...


i loved my mauler combo for PvE... but i also NEEDED to be a CH as a rifleman then 2.5x mele penelty hurt bad... one hit incaps/DB from most every mid lvl creature in the game... but there wasn't anything i couldn't 'solo' then either...


now there are very few things i won't try at least once to 'solo' with pets or without... its just alot harder, and i use BE pets now instead of wild (except for my widows or gurrecks)... i had to learn new tactics for making pets useful after the great nerf... but i did and still think CH is one of the best professions in the game... but i've always used my pets for defence and i supply the offence...


as for PvP i've had some success with pets... if i can get the specials to work namely KD, disease (screecher), or poision (widow) they they are great... but thats a big IF... mostly they are incaped rather quickly so i don't try much... i take it personal if my pet lose vitality...


Wabit




I can just see a "Wait for the Combat Revamp" and "Wait for the Smuggler Revamp" quote all rolled into one.
"Wait for the Smuggbat Revamp"
Smuggbat, I like that
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