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Thread: Ranger, Pistoleer, or TKM?

dpdmj
Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:29 am
#14

Mastering Tk has been the only way i have been able to have any sucess as a wookie master CH against other players.I play with my master CH banner on and dont equip my Vks untill actually in combat. Genrally when you send your pets after an experinced PvPer they will try to ignore them and close with you. I dont have the points for master brawler so i use lunge one and then a macro which i think has blind1, dizzy/kd and unarmed hit 3 three times. By the time they realize that im on top of them i can usually drop them. Granted i also sometimes take a lightning single to the face or something like that and get dropped but its better then nothing. I also had a BE make me a level 65 kaadu with disease and poison specials. Most people laugh at it as they see it trying to run them down untill it starts doing 550-600 damage per hit rather then the 20-30 that they expected.
Shidoki
Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:54 pm
#15

It all depends on what you're trying to accomplish in the game. I set out to be the Ultimate Tank, so I went MCH/TKM/Medic. I don't want to have to rely on my aim of a gun. TK's are 20% more accurate than the 2nd most accurate proff in the game (Rifleman). There is one small problem with fighting next to your pets... the fact that they stand on top of you while they fight! Sometimes, weeding thru the fur of a Graul can be frustrating.


And for those who complain about the TK's being too powerful... I don't see Rancors with guns to shoot you from 40m away. TK's are in the **edit** all the time. There is no kiting... only fighting!


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charvakas
Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:06 pm
#16

I was a master CH and master pistoleer for a while, and I thought that was really fun.


then I tried master CH and master swordsman. WHOO boy. that's some potent shizniz. swordsman has incredible damage, more than a TKM, on pool directed strikes (mind pool!). the defense isn't as good as teras kasi defense, but as an MCH you don't care, you just want high damage output, and on that swordsman delivers.


my friend the grenadeer/CH was jealous when he saw how much damage I was doing to mobs as a swordsman, so yeah, very good damage.


to give you an idea, as a master swordsman rancors die in 3 to5 hits. now you don't hit near as fast as a TKM. but I raced a TKM at taking down rancors, and swordsman was way faster. we were both CH so we just dueled each other's rancors. I had his incaped when my rancor still had half it's life.


another advantage of swordsman over TKM is you have kinetic and blast damage, instead of just kinetic. you also have higher armour piercing (medium) vs the TKM's light.



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JanosZero
Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:40 am
#17

I'm a MCH, Master Pikeman, and medic 4/3/4/0. I think the key is what do you want to do.....PvP or PvE or good at both. I can't say pike is for PvP unless someone has like traps to hold a person in place, very low range. But for PvE, I'm not sure there is anything that I can't take down as pike. Master Pike has kd and dizzy same as tka, can't buff ourselves, but with buffs and food, who cares....you can just take some food and buff yourself, lol. this was my master template since i started, and I've not had any issues with it for what I want to do. Granted I'm not doing PvP much at all, but when I do, its sure fun to kd an atst and whoop on it with my medium damaging poleaxe . just don't get grauls if you don't like the big bastards, i don't use them. i normally use either 2 crc's orsome other combo of 8k+ pets.....either way, the pets aren't for massive damage, just mainly CC and SA's. getting money is no problem, i just hit the 26k missions on dantooine and run thru the mokk shamans like water
Aenedor
Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:24 am
#18

Ranger and Pistoller.


Tracking is great for finding babies to train, and since your pet is tanking you can stand back a bit and blast away with a pistol, which incidently damages health the same as your pet. You don't need expensive armour, in fact you don't need armour at all. You will need lots of pet stims though. I use pet stim b's.



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Kiwalek
Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:40 pm
#19

okay, i made up my mind... i will go master ch + master pikeman and 2-0-0-0 in tka as well as novice medic.
might be a bit different than general taste... at least i hope so.
why the tka the way it is? because i am a wookie and can't count on a doc buffing me 24/7, so i at least want the powerbost, as well as i like the meditate idea... just kinda fits in line with my chat concept, so why not take the benefit as well.
Kiwalek
Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:41 pm
#20

arg, meant "char concept" meaning the whole background and how i intend to roleplay my furball
ShigatsuLi
Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:20 pm
#21

As you've probably noticed your pets are not a little flighty in battle and will run all over the countryside to achieve an "ideal range" for their attacks. As a swordswoman I can tell you this makes using pets as tanks for grinding at lower levels impossible for melee.


Although, while I was working on mastering brawler, I noticed the range meter on unarmed with knucklers was completely broken. If you've got VKs equipped you can hit things from 10m+ even when you have that little red line in the range adjustor (you know that little -50 to +50 thing). I only got the message "your target is out of range" when it passed over 15m. This was standard attacks too, not the unarmed lunge, but unarmed hit was landing at 10m as well when the range meter said I was well beyond range.


If you can get your pets to hold still I'd say a brawler class would work well too (otherwise I hope you like jogging). Although from what I can tell TKA pretty much has twice the range as any other brawler class, so you might as well take this pseudo-marksman class as long as you have VKs.





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KelvinKlien
Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:08 pm
#22

Was MCH / master pistolier for 6 months. Great combo! With the wide array of dmg types for pistols, you can assume that you can take on anything in game and kill it (albeit slowly). However, I found pistolier as a class on its own not complimented by smuggler, bh, or tka VERY low damage compared to other classes.


Converted to rifleman, and even though the mind ham costs are insane (meaning you be chucking down muon and other expensive mind stuff like candy EVERY battle) the damage is incredible. With 2 pets and strafe shot2, I am killing 10 enrage bull rancors in under a minute. No bull. Tho, taking on night sisters atm is futile since I have not kenetic rifle....hoping that get fixed one day soon...


Yes, being at long range does not help being able to heal pets. Pistolier and TKA good for that if you are worried about it.


TKA is another superb combination, like others stated. BUT...you won't be soloing krayts for instance. Well not that SOE want yall to be able to do that nyways lol.
Ekhben
Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:44 pm
#23

I tried using my pets in combination with TKA. I hate to say it, but the most frequent reason I pull out pets now is to boost the missions I can pull. A doc buff is more effective for tanking than a pet; doc buffs last far longer than my average gaming session, doc buffs don't need a camp (or a retarded 30 second delay) to get each fight, doc buffs keep up with my swoop, doc buffs never autostore... should I continue?

I most recently used an arachne webmaster while trying to find a toxic merek battlelord baby. With the webmaster, I killed the initial spawn, which was two adult TMBs and a baby ... blood stained? A TMB baby spawned on the first lair pop, but in my eagerness to tame it I didn't account for the second adult TMB spawn, who saw straight through my mask scent and charged at me. I had no pet out. I still killed it fairly convincingly.

Trying to have the pet take the brunt of the attacks while you dish out the damage is difficult as a melee profession. You have to be further away from the target than your pet is, and with critters dancing all over the place to get their ideal range, you've really got to stay on your toes to be within range yourself, but not closer than your tank.

All in all, Creature Handler has been killed by a combination of heavy handed nerfing and probably deserved boosts to other professions. I sigh for the inevitable nerf of TKA that will kill that profession also.

On the flip side, I'll probably be selling my repertoire of pets shortly.





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DaBudo2
Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:17 pm
#24

I'm MCH - Ranger 3040 - Pistoleer 0240 (andnovice medic) which fits me perfectly. But then I don't do PvP. I do LOTS of exploring and harvesting- made a lot of creds doing that. Theskills you get as Scout/Ranger can not be under estimated if you are going tohunt creatures and harvest resources. Tracking is invaluablefor findingcreaturesfor eithertaming or harvesting.(Very nice for finding NPCs and players too).


Bleed Shot is great for drawing creatures away from their lair one at a time so that your pets don't have to fight several creatures at once. From a distance use Bleed Shot once or twice (with scent masked), just so that you see it take effect, then hit Peace and back off. Creature won't attack right away until it starts bleeding. When done right, its buddies won't aggro/attack so you're able to focus on just one creature. (When that tactic doesn't work, run like hell cuz they are all coming for you )


Anyway,it depends on what you want to do as CH and what style of play you prefer. It's not really the best profession for PvP.But in PvE if you want to be a tank and kill stuff, then there were a number of excellent suggestions made for companion professions.Or doyou like to explore, track and tame creatures, harvest/sell resources? Then I say Ranger/Pistoleer.



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Galaxus
Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:34 pm
#25




Was thinking about Ranger / MCH but decided against it. The biggest issue for me was that pets don't do much damage quickly. So if you let you pets do all the work you will be forever healing them. Instead I am aimingtowards MCH/M Scout/M Pistoleer. I still spendtime healing, but it is much better than without pistol.


I consider my pets to be out front blocking armor. My Wookie hide is much too sensitive to attack to be in the middle of the fray. However, with some of the ranged attack offered by pistoleer, some defense(only 1221 Pistoleernow)and pets on the front line, I can play solo and not die very often. The biggest issue is to have enough good combos that I can play an hour or two in the evening and not have to heal very much. A good pet combo still only lasts me 1 mission and then I have to switch or heal them. This maximizes xp and credits from missions.


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MScout

Pistoleer
Foth
Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:35 am
#26

with using pets, create macros and customize ur commands for each individual pet so u have them deal with several targets at once or have one attack and one guard. Though this is only an option for higher level ch's.


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