Creature Handler Archive
Thread: TH Uncensored (Frenzied?)
drewboy1324
Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:59 pm
#14
2 things i must say. first and foremost, Aakhperkare, u get /hugfromtivo 
second:
CH has been imo, one of the worst planned professions in this game. It lures you in with promises of greatness, but just as the spider lures the fly into a web and sucks the blood from the fly, the devs have sucked the life from our profession. First was the big huge massive ch nerf back in like nov/dec when they beat our pets to death with the nerf bat, then threw them down nerf hill where they drowned in nerf lake. Then they introduced rare pets. For some, it was a great idea, for others, it was a frustration, for 2 reasons. first the "tamable: yes/no" didnt work for the longest time (think it was bug number 2340984508 of 346509854608450 on my list of problems). And secondly, half of these rare pets have had no or so few babies they appear extinct (bull rancor, frenzied graul). But, there is hope. many of you have heard of a company called blizzard, the big daddy of online games. They plan to release World Of Warcraft soon. I've played the beta. They have a profession similar to CH called the hunter. Only the hunter profession in WoW is waaaaaaay better than CH. allow me to expand. First, as a hunter you can tame any beast that is equal to or less than your current level. no searching for babies that dont exist. if you see it, you tame it. No searching relentlessly for hours trying to find one lair that doesnt do anything for you except crush your hopes of having a rare pet. Second, as you gain xp and level up, so do your pets. SWG pets dont do anything except gain ham, but that even caps out when they are done growing, whereas pets in warcraft gain armor, attack strength and other stats every time they level up.
CH on SWG has really honestly surved me no purpose as of late. With good armor, buffs and food i can out tank and out last my pets by a long shot. Granted my pets are my companions, but they're almost more sentimental now than they are useful.
So according to the infinitely wise and all knowing TH, we must wait until after the combat revamp before they will consider fixing our broken/nerfed/sad profession. So our place in line is behind the combat revamp which is behind the JTL expansion. so for those of you who are going to stick it out and wait, pray they actually do this time hold true to their word. It will be a first and a great blessing to the CH profession that is long overdue for some serious revamping.
The purpose of this post is not to convert everyone over to WoW, but to make the devs realize that with a few changes to a dying profession they could revitalize the game and recapture the fun and excitement this once fun profession had in the past.
Thanks for the time
Aakhperkare
Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:22 pm
#15
Not one confirmed or unconfirmed Frenzied Graul since the nerfing. I'd say that makes them pretty untameable.
Besides. Does anyone remember when Thunderheart called the Bull Rancor the red dragon for our profession? Why would he say that if Frenzied Grauls were infact spawning babies?
And it does seem as though TH has written off the CH profession in general because it scares him.
Tell me Thunderheart. I am a Vet CH, been playing since August 2003. Would you like me to cancel my subscription? Just say the word and it's done. Is this what you think of the CH community? You just want us all to quit so we will stop scaring you? Coming here and just telling us that you don't want us playing the game anymore will send a very clear message. Because that's basically what you've said in the chat, is that the current CH community is not worth your time.
Coward...
BarboGato
Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:11 pm
#16
I'm not sure what to think of this.I'm not familiar with the way the stratics chat works, is it even possible to PM a dev during these?
Ko-aIri
Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:29 pm
#17
Hello, Thunderheart...
Frenzied Grauls do not spawn babies. Since April, I have killed 1,289 (actual number) of them with my Jedi while leveling on Dantooine. Random, no lair spawns. A lair with a single frenzied that spawns 2 more before it blows. And the fabled 4-frenzied lair, which spawns a whopping 8-10 total before it's done.
I searched far and wide for a baby. Even a screenshot of a dead one after my saber sawed it in half would be sufficient to put my fears to rest. But this was not to be.
They've stunned me, they've bled me. I killed them... I killed them all.
But their babies do not exist. Not since last year.
My CH has an old-guard frenzied in her datapad. Tucked away, extinct to most others. My precious.
Your programmer is wrong, if in fact you spoke to one at all. Tamable: Yes as a flag does not equal spawning babies. Else, all boss creatures would spawn babies. Which they do NOT.
Fix this. Fix this now. Allow all the new players to get their own mighty red graul... you have the opportunity.
I'm a sandbox tester, and if this is a combat balance issue, you better believe I'm gonna push for it... all sub-CL 70 babies must be tamable... the Frenzied is where we start.
/salute Tivo.
Frenzied Grauls do not spawn babies. Since April, I have killed 1,289 (actual number) of them with my Jedi while leveling on Dantooine. Random, no lair spawns. A lair with a single frenzied that spawns 2 more before it blows. And the fabled 4-frenzied lair, which spawns a whopping 8-10 total before it's done.
I searched far and wide for a baby. Even a screenshot of a dead one after my saber sawed it in half would be sufficient to put my fears to rest. But this was not to be.
They've stunned me, they've bled me. I killed them... I killed them all.
But their babies do not exist. Not since last year.
My CH has an old-guard frenzied in her datapad. Tucked away, extinct to most others. My precious.
Your programmer is wrong, if in fact you spoke to one at all. Tamable: Yes as a flag does not equal spawning babies. Else, all boss creatures would spawn babies. Which they do NOT.
Fix this. Fix this now. Allow all the new players to get their own mighty red graul... you have the opportunity.
I'm a sandbox tester, and if this is a combat balance issue, you better believe I'm gonna push for it... all sub-CL 70 babies must be tamable... the Frenzied is where we start.
/salute Tivo.
SkyPreacher1
Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:52 pm
#18
Guys,
You ever get the feeling you are spitting into the wind.
Talking to a wall.
We are never going to get our issues fixed, never.
The Combat Revamp talk is just that, talk. I have not seen one shred of evidence that this team has a hot clue how to fix squat. To date fix equals nerf. I am no longer willing to pay 15 american for a game that is not working. October is my last month then Sky shall leave this god forsaken game and play CoH because there, they actually fix stuff.
Roporin
Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:55 pm
#19
It's quite obvious that Rare_Hunter has passion. However, it saddens me to see personal attacks on someone in TH's position.
Put *yourself* in his shoes. If you were being called a coward and many similar negative things - I'm quite sure that is not going to make you want to respond positively with a "stimulating" post as TH suggested.
I can see why the general negativity on these forums (not just CH here) also serves to disuade people in that position coming and interacting with us.
How much you want to bet that if TH or someone did come here and post something like:
"Guys, we realise that CH's have long been neglected and in January we will release a hot fix for *one* of the following:
*All sub CL70 creatures will spawn babies - rarity rate varies.
* Fix issues of auto-storing/warping/following, pets now callable/storablein battle too - but still with delay.
* insert your most wanted fix here"
...that we wouldn't eventually turn it into a flame fest? Just look at the photoshop thread...
At the end of the day, either quit as Sky is doing or realise that we all have to wait our turn. TH is not a dev, he can only recommend to the devs and represent the community view. I doubt seriously that he is any position to do anything about dev priorities.
Plus there are 31 other professions too... some of whom are no doubt demanding attention as much and more so than we. No doubt if TH did start talking to us (if we stopped flaming him for one thread) - then some of them would start flaming instead about why they aren't getting attention...
It's a no win situation for TH/Tiggs and people of that ilk as I see it.
Rop.
"pONED! -> Pwn3d! -> Owned! -> ... -> many literacy levels down the line ->... -> I say, old chap, this fellow has emerged victorious from your competitive exchange with him."
TottDonetta
Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:45 am
#20
maybe im too much of a cynic but ive read and re-read that transcript and all i saw was "just be patient and wait for the combat rebalance" written in as many different ways as possible!
the only real deviation from that was when TH seemed to get very flustered from 'rare_hunter's questions. rare_hunter wasnt offensive. he didnt call TH any names or insult him in any way, he just asked valid questions that we have been asking for many, many months. and as to who he was, well im not sure but from the sound of him he could have been any one of a hundred very frustrated CH's that write to these forums every single day.
exactly what was TH expecting? a user that went online solely for the purposeof sucking up to him and ask fawning questions about the 'messianic' JTL? if he puts himself into a live situation with customers he has to realise that the comments can be either possitive OR negative, he then has to deal with them in a professional manner. and im sorry but from my point of view he didnt do that. im sure that in RL, Thunderheart is a very nice bloke and i hold nothing against him personaly, and i also realise that he is almost certainly under a lot of pressure with both a live game and JTL beta to organise but 'hissy fits'in a live chat do not help his corner and only serve to further disatnce him from a paying customer base. that chat was a perfect oppurtunity to make peace with not only the CH's but with every other aggreived profession.
all he had to do was acknowledge that the game wasnt perfect, and that they will be addressing the issues that we all have but they havevery limited resources and priorities have to be made, but your issues WILL be addressed.
we didnt get that.
just look at the very 1st question:
Rare_Hunter: so lets cut to the chase. first question. when do you guys
plan to release the revamp notes?
TH: will talk about it soon
Rare_Hunter: soon meaning...by the end of the September?
TH: unknown, though I will post some details about when we will talk about
it soon.
plan to release the revamp notes?
TH: will talk about it soon
Rare_Hunter: soon meaning...by the end of the September?
TH: unknown, though I will post some details about when we will talk about
it soon.
that was a perfectly valid question , which wasnt answered or addressed in any way, shape or form. it was an informal chat that wasnt legaly binding. he could have just said im not sure but were expecting it to be about XXXXXXXX. hell he could have said it wount be until early 2006 at the very earliest, at least it would have been better than that. 'we'll talk about it soon'.... erm, your talking about it now. also how comes he cant even tell the month or quarterthat its pencilied in for? there must be some form of scheduling that their trying to stick to, if they havent even penciled it in then the only conclusion is that it just plain doesnt exist and its just a satndard exscuse to shut up the complainers. i know from working in a large and award winning customer relations department for 4 years that if something just plain didnt exist we told the customers that the details were being finalised and as soon as anything was decided we'd be in touch.
episodes like this just serve to further erode what little confidence and optimism i have left for this game. at the moment i hardly ever log on and even then its just to put maint on my house. it seems to me that i play not for the game but for the possiblilty of what this game could be. and as its set in possibly the richest, largest and most influential sci-fi universe there is, it should be unquestionably the best MMO game there is. everquest and warcraft are great games, but lets face it they shouldnt be able to stand against the might of star wars! could you imagine people spending hours queing round the block to see a warcraft movie? could you imagine a everquest film radicaly altering the entire movie industry. could you imagine people like peter jackson, ridley scott andspeilbergsaying one of the reasons they knew they could make movies like LOTR or Alien was because they spent an entire summer watching Everquest: the movie a dozen times. can you imagine coming out of the cinema and seeing a hundred kids pretending their playing with orc swords or elven bows, no? how about if they were imagining lightsabres? when i came out of AOTC i thought that the cimema had a major bee problem.
ive played damn near every SW game thats been released in the past 10 years and this is the only one that DOESNT feel like its star wars. this is the only game that has almost totaly eradicated the sense of funthat isan intrinsic (and i thought inescapable) part of the SW phenomenon.this is the only SW game that actualy feels like a chore to play!
lots of people are realy building there hopes up over JTL. they think it will 'save' the game. and ive heard that exact phrase more times than i care to think about. 'save' the game. me personaly, im not getting too excited over a game made by the same people that gave us the current bug-free emotional roller-coaster ride of grinding and deliver/destroy missions that we all know, love and regularly post about our complete and total satisfaction with now. (and THAT was sarcasm)
oh and for those of you that say well if i dont like it so much why do i still hand over 1 hours wages every month, you seriously think that me paying for this game gives me LESS right to voice my opinions and grievances than a non-paying customer? man i almost wish i still worked in customer relations and all our customers had your mind set!
MrHawat
Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:21 am
#21
Oh yes, the famous combat rebalance. I have been hearing about that since Dec. If it takes them over a month to release the notes from the meeting how long is it going to take them to actually release code?? I think I am out of here. This was it for me. First the bannings and now this. Hey TH, you are supposed to be a customer relations manager. Also, in some states, trying to solicitate vital statistics from minors on the internet is against the law.
Wallach1
Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:11 am
#22
jopenack wrote:
the more i read this the more i ask myself
how mature is TH seems to be alot like myself when i was 14 lol
and why is he asking the age hmmm
me thinks ah forget what i think its an easy ban to say that lol
i didnt think rare-hunter was impolite he was direct, straight forward, and very well spoken
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Rare_Hunter: why not let a few respected CH's on the forum discuss with Vert what the REAL stats of the creatures should be. we know them inside/out
TH: we might be able to do that in the Combat Upgrade, but Im making no
promises
Rare_Hunter: see, i like this
Rare_Hunter: this is so much better TH
Rare_Hunter: why cant we communicate like this on the forum? not trying to
be a smart you know what
Rare_Hunter: i mean, we have SO many ideas
TH: because there are no leaders that helpo maintain the discussion like in
the old days and it turns into a flamefest.
Rare_Hunter: thats not true
TH: how much you want to bet if I show up and post something stimulating?
Rare_Hunter: before the last week or so there have been many well put
together threads
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if he visited one of our multi page threads on mounts, corals, ... why wouldnt we talk inteligently its the absence of the devs that create the hostility.
hedoesnt think much of us by this reply
hmm stimulating it reminds me of the question of how old are you lol
that's okay, I had to read it twice to realize it was a real chat, cause reading it and seeing the comments by TH, I thought it was another parody, how the hell can acorespondent be that immature?
Message Edited by Wallach1 on 09-24-2004 07:53 AM
Aakhperkare
Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:30 am
#23
Thunderheart, your lack of professionalism makes me sick...
Skuzz
Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:12 am
#25
Wow... im not sure what to say on this. I understand TH's lack of desire to appear in our CH forum (as its QUITE hostile) AND... i fully understand why the CH community is so hostile (I was MCH in beta and since shortly after launch so ive lived thru the Nerf beatings). Its a terrible catch 22 situation that im not sure how to resolve. 
As far as the frenzied graul baby situation... They DO NOT exist. There "is" a Graul valley on Dantooine, its the same place it was waaaaay back when on the western side of dantooine, and ive milked countless wild frenzied graul lairs there, and i havent seen a single baby ever. I got a frenzied but its an extremely old and beaten pet from way back. Id love to get a new healthy one =/
As far as the frenzied graul baby situation... They DO NOT exist. There "is" a Graul valley on Dantooine, its the same place it was waaaaay back when on the western side of dantooine, and ive milked countless wild frenzied graul lairs there, and i havent seen a single baby ever. I got a frenzied but its an extremely old and beaten pet from way back. Id love to get a new healthy one =/
mikedealer
Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:47 am
#26
one of the people that posted in here earlier was right, this is a flame fest. Thunderheart is not a dev, why throw him under the bus.
i think some of you need a good laugh so take a look at this.. this is not real, i REPEAT!!! NOT REAL WHATSOEVER!! Someone made this as a joke. have a laugh for a second
http://www.leftcorner.com/swg/ff/ff6.htm
AGAIN THIS IS NOT REAL!