Creature Handler Archive
Thread: Swimming mounts and combat a question from a BH
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theorb22
Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:13 pm
#14
Swimming to escape BH is definently an exploit, using pets to fire while swimming is most certainly not. it's actually quite logical if you think about it. And besides, without specials, its not a viable form of combat which could possibly impact anyone but exploiting jedi.
So since its absolute only balance related effect in the game is to allow us to attack NPC which are exploiting in the water and attack exploiting jedi, there really is no basis to cry 'EXPLOIT'!!!!
As for CSR.....i've heard many accounts of their foolishness, my advice is that if a jedi is exploiting and says he'll call a CSR, you call a CSR too, that way while the 2 CSR are godmode dueling it out 
You can finish the jedi with something while in the water on the mount.
You can finish the jedi with something while in the water on the mount.
KawikaMacGuyver
Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:16 am
#15
SioBabble wrote:
I don't know about the rest of you, but I've about had it with the biggest group of crybaby asshats in the game: Jedi.
I throw out my newest phrase: Jedi didnt ruin the game, incompetance did.
Once upon a time, we could attack while swimming. Then for some unknown reason, they changed it so we couldnt attack. Yet low and behold, mobs still could, and for a time being, pets could too.
Currently you or your pet cannot attack while swimming. If you are able to, it either may be 1) you hit a shallow spot so you or your pet are able to stand, or 2) a bug
By SOE's definition, use of a bug to do something that the game does not it intend MAY be considered an exploit, tho not necessarily will it be deemed one nor would any action necessarily be taken against the player(s) that use this bug. (Look at how many weaponsmiths got away with the no-serial geo cube bug to mass produce scythes).
The game is dynamic...thus when you find a way to gain advantage....invariably someone will figure a way to negate that advantage. Jedi had the safety of water to save them. Now BH's find this little loophole that allows them to attack jedi while they're swimming.
Does the problem need to be fixed? Yep...in some form or another. Heck, i say bring back being able to attack while swimming as there's no reason i can currently think of why you cant and mobs seems to be able to do it.
For the current situation....like someone posted....BH had mounts...so jedi...go and get a mount.
Travin64068
Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:37 am
#16
This would be like complaining that my Male Brackaset mount is exploiting because he's so tall that he doesn't have to swim through most rivers and run through at full speed. I bet if they had a mount they could fight back in the water. An exploit is when someone uses a bug in the system to their advantage. This is not an exploit, it's called strategy.
- Ivoe
KawikaMacGuyver
Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:12 pm
#17
hopefully vertexon can get some clarification on this.
Ipersonnaly dont understand why they took out attacking while swimming so long ago. And moreso that it only affected players and not mobs as mobs can still attack you while they're swimming. The need to allow us to attack while swimming, even if it's only default attacks.
As for attacking while riding on a mount....for the moment, i'd consider it a bug as i remember an occasion on dant where i hit a river riding a mount then i got the system message "you cannot attack while swimming".
As we all know, 'fixes' can be undone unintentionally by subsequent 'fixes'. A lot of times we call them 'stealth nerf'...however in this case...maybe 'stealth un-nerf'?
enigma_writer
Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:35 pm
#18
I would say this is not an exploit and would cheer for any bh innovative enough to try to use a mount in this manner. I have seen many exploits used against me and would say this is definitely not one.
Then again I am not running away from BH anymore 
Milteck (BEAST)
Capt
Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:16 pm
#19
KawikaMacGuyver wrote:As for attacking while riding on a mount....for the moment, i'd consider it a bug as i remember an occasion on dant where i hit a river riding a mount then i got the system message "you cannot attack while swimming".
I've only actually had it a few times while swimming on (kitty), my lesser dewback [yes, I did pick the name
].I've typically found it's when swimming around, and you're on a low mount so your legs start getting covered by water - the swim tag keeps flipping at that stage.. you're in water, wait you're on a mount, but you're in water...
The main reason I'm looking for clarification is because most of us BHs want to make sure any tactic we use when hunting is not by use of a bug, as there are a few Jedi who will scream exploit the second they are attacked, and we'd rather not help fuel their claims.
However, I am aware that there are a few BHs that do the opposite - scream exploit in things Jedi do, that aren't exploits (Feign Death, anyone?)
Thanks for all the input so far.
Message Edited by Capt on 12-30-2004 09:18 PM
KawikaMacGuyver
Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:33 pm
#20
Capt wrote:
KawikaMacGuyver wrote:
As for attacking while riding on a mount....for the moment, i'd consider it a bug as i remember an occasion on dant where i hit a river riding a mount then i got the system message "you cannot attack while swimming".
I've only actually had it a few times while swimming on (kitty), my lesser dewback [yes, I did pick the name
I've typically found it's when swimming around, and you're on a low mount so your legs start getting covered by water - the swim tag keeps flipping at that stage.. you're in water, wait you're on a mount, but you're in water...
The main reason I'm looking for clarification is because most of us BHs want to make sure any tactic we use when hunting is not by use of a bug, as there are a few Jedi who will scream exploit the second they are attacked, and we'd rather not help fuel their claims.
However, I am aware that there are a few BHs that do the opposite - scream exploit in things Jedi do, that aren't exploits (Feign Death, anyone?)
Thanks for all the input so far.
Message Edited by Capt on 12-30-2004 09:18 PM
Ido applaud you going about this in a proper manner (getting clarification). I am hoping fora couple of things actually, 1) that it isnt abug, 2) allow us to at least do default attacks while swimming, 3) allow melee to use default attacks while mounted if target is within range (and on mounts using default attacks, this will be hard so as a BH i wouldnt get too worried about this).
Ifor one dont consider the swimming for safety or feigning exploits either. cheesy yes....but not an exploit. default attacks while swimming will minimize the cheesiness of the swimmers. as for feigning....it's an earned skill, so like it or not, they should be able to use it if they have the skill for it. And it's a saftey valve for avoiding getting screwed over by the borked PvP / TEF system. You cant blame a jedi for trying to survive no more than we can blame BH's for playing their 'content'.
The other overlooked issue is that this is furthur drawing attention to the issue of non-CH pets and that particular controversy. I too do not think this is an exploit, however many ppl feel that they are and they may get nerfed. The end result will be how many hits you think youcan get inon a 900 ham mount before you start swimming.
JeCy
Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:57 pm
#21
hehe this is great,,
its an exploit im trying to escape but instead of treading water in the middle of a lake and logging in and out now i cant cuase you are exploiting by riding a mount WAAAAAAAAA I WANT MY MOMMY ! ! !
God stupid lame ass jedi stay off the terminals... I know plenty of jedi,, some that have had then 6+ months and never once got on the terminals or a bounty hunter after them,.,. A few others say bring it on and kill every BH sent there way.. please get real this has got to be the biggest frigging joke there is.
Je'Cy
Joker9125
Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:51 pm
#22
Hmm This thread gives me an idea................What if you got a really tall creature that could stand in deep water without swimming. Since pets no longer suffer the PvP damage reduction and since jedi wear no armor this could be an effective means for taking them out.
theorb22
Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:39 pm
#23
Joker9125 wrote:
Hmm This thread gives me an idea................What if you got a really tall creature that could stand in deep water without swimming. Since pets no longer suffer the PvP damage reduction and since jedi wear no armor this could be an effective means for taking them out.
./agree, i was fighting a jedi the other day and i saw my pets taking noticable if small chunks out of him before he decided to do the 3 hits necesary to kill them. Against an unbuffed jedi it sliced through him like a hot knife through butter, but of course if he had had the time he still could of killed them in 3 hits.
KawikaMacGuyver
Mon Jan 03, 2005 12:33 pm
#24
Joker9125 wrote:
Hmm This thread gives me an idea................What if you got a really tall creature that could stand in deep water without swimming. Since pets no longer suffer the PvP damage reduction and since jedi wear no armor this could be an effective means for taking them out.
IMO, it still doesnt help much because i think the damage pets deal out is insignificant to the damage they can absorb. So while they can dish out full damage, they take full damage as well. And the damage they do is ap0, so they still wouldnt do anything against normal players in armor.
as far as the whole swimming thing is concerned...they should just let us attack things while swimming again. never understood why they took it out to begin with.
Message Edited by KawikaMacGuyver on 01-03-2005 09:34 AM
Joker9125
Mon Jan 03, 2005 5:58 pm
#25
Jedi DONT wear armor and while they are swimming they CANNOT fight back. get 3 pets with strong poison that are tall enough to stand in most water and send em after a jedi and eventually the dots will stack up enough to do some serious damage.
KawikaMacGuyver wrote:
Joker9125 wrote:
Hmm This thread gives me an idea................What if you got a really tall creature that could stand in deep water without swimming. Since pets no longer suffer the PvP damage reduction and since jedi wear no armor this could be an effective means for taking them out.
IMO, it still doesnt help much because i think the damage pets deal out is insignificant to the damage they can absorb. So while they can dish out full damage, they take full damage as well. And the damage they do is ap0, so they still wouldnt do anything against normal players in armor.
as far as the whole swimming thing is concerned...they should just let us attack things while swimming again. never understood why they took it out to begin with.
Message Edited by KawikaMacGuyver on 01-03-2005 09:34 AM
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