Creature Handler Archive

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Meuw wrote:

You know I have seen this post a thousand times, and I know it is way past it's intended shelf life but alas I must say some things:

First let me clear out the people who won't enjoy nor comprehend most of this post. I think the amount of people screaming and squaking about a flying mount are ....well let us be nice and say silly. What point is there to a flying mount in a game where nothing flies. Even the flying creatures do not fly. Even the jet pack does not fly, it just hops kinda high. This is a ground based game and that is not going to ever change. There is no point to nor a use for a "flying" creature other than a 2 second pause in gameplay to say "oooooh!". It is totally lacking in creative thought. No offense intended.

Now that the people who wouldn't enjoy this discussion have stopped reading and are thinking of neat ways to call my mother names therest of us can get to work. Let me start this off by pointing out to those who do not know me that I make my living in SWG by selling non-ch mounts. I will admit I would benefit from the thoughts I am abotu to express here, but I am not worried about me. In fact makign the changes I suggest would hurt my business by making every CH a competitor. So when you listen to this take into account that I am doing this out of a desire to see the game thrive, not to see myself thrive.

There are some very simple facts about mounts that everyone seems to want to ignore. There is no reason to have every mount a CH only perk. Anyone who suggests that is, I am sorry to say, being totally selfish. Never, ever, ever, ever ,ever in the entire history of the entire world has it ever been that a tamed mount was only ridable by the person who tamed it. The entire action of taming a creature and mounting it means that it is "broken" and anyone with the skill to sit can ride it.

When we are talking specifically about creatures such as bantha, cu pa, kaadu, and the other timid breeds there is no place for a discussion on being CH only. It is absolute idiocy for them to be. If a dimwitted, moronic, barely able to walk Gungan can ride a Kaadu then anyone can. When it is tamed it is domesticated. Domesticated creatures by definition are trained to be able to exist in conjunction with mankind(or zabrak kind ir whatever.) It is foolish for us to keep creatures from non-ch players who are definately domesticated and docile to begin with.

Whether more intense training is required or a restriction on commands placed for a domesticated mount is for the devs to decide. I think both would be best. The more work I have to do to train these things the more credits the service will run for. It is as simple as making two training options, one would be to train a non-aggressive pet to be domesticated, the other would be to train it as a CH companion. The CH pet could remain to be taught just as it is now. (with maybe the possibility to effect stats by aggression training, or endurance training etc...) While the Domesticated training style would allow only a small number of commands to be taught in only maybe two or three groups.

1 group would be mount training where the pet could be taught to follow, gallop, sprint, maybe a trick or two and at a penalty an attack command.(A penalty such as learnign attack costs 3 points while the other only 1)

2 group would be defense training (like guard dogs) with commands like attack, guard, patrol, etc...

3 group would be for domesticated/entertainer pets. They could be taught tricks and dances and would have a major penalty to stats aggressiveness and damage. Which wouldnt matter much since they would not be allowed the command to attack.

These three training types could add a good deal of control to proliferation while still allowing CH's a place at the table economically. You would not have to worry much about people buying uber pets to go out and fight for them, their pets would have a limited control ability and perhaps once sent in to fight they could not recieve most commands until battle ended. (maybe a leash command could be implemented where a player to pull a pet trained to be an attack dogoff a target would have to walk over and basically drag it by the collar away from the target.

These levels of control would allow you to finally open the Non-Ch pet field up. Allowing Non-CH players to own and use pets that fully trained were beyond their abilities. People could now have a Bantha mount without having to pay me to buy aBE made one, grow it then train it.(not that I mind) because otherwise you are saying every stormtrooper, tusken, or any other race in the galaxy was a CH before they were allowed to ride a dewback, bantha or tautaun.

Message Edited by Meuw on 03-26-2005 09:27 PM

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Message Edited by hossp on 03-27-2005 09:49 AM

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Meuw wrote:

I thought you said you read it, try again. I said non-aggressive creatures. Pack animals and load beasts. never did I ever say to let a non-ch use a rancor.

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You missed the point iam making. In the game context, only the Creature Handlers should be able to really handle creatures, thus making it a desirable profession in the game. You make it too complicated, and it really is not. I can break it down in 5 sentences.

1. Master Creature Handlers should be the ONLY ones to handle aggressive creatures.

2. Creature Handlers should be the only ones to be able to use creatures in combat, aggresive orotherwise.

3. Non-ch pets should be restricted to non-aggresive mounts that WILL NOT FIGHT due to them being "broken" by a ch for menial use.

4. Creature Handlers should be allowed to farm resources from the creatures like milk, wool for clothing, etc. (this does not mean hides/bone/meat, as these resources should remain the domain of the ranger. However the resources from the Creature Handlers stables would yield much better resources for example, which would entice the MCH/MR combo)

5. Noone...not even jedi should be able to control a creature that has been fully trained by an MCH.

You can get brainy and all...but at the end of the day you and I are still just dudes that play a video game for too much time lol.

Sapiu

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Meuw wrote:

Ok I understand you Saipu. The only thing I think makes that not viable is the fact that creatures are not useful enough to draw the desire you speak of. We all of us know that we first got CH because of the thought of catching creatures and training them and using them to help us fight. And all of us were totally depressed to find out that they are really not that useful.

But what I am speaking about here is not taming creatures. Nor am I talking about making it natural pets only. I am tlaking about what this post is about....mounts. If you don't like the idea of non-ch players using attack pets then that is one thing. But why would you want to say that no one but us should be able to use mounts. This is a roleplaying game and in the universe we are in there are people who ride beasts. They are not creature handlers, they just ride them. Perhaps we should discuss the limitations for using these mounts instead of blasting the entire idea. If it bothers you the idea of people using non-ch pets to attack or tank then why not say we should make them mounts only with no skills except follow, stay, and store.

The list I gave was just some ideas, they were totally up to discussion.

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Whammo! iam with ya!, mounts for the rest of the peeps, and CH get the fighting perks plus especialized rides that only us can ride due to our affininty as ch's. I can live with that, as long as the mounts that are CH only are truly set apart from the regular mounts.

Sapiu

Here is an oldie but goodie.