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TrickDaddyDollars

Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:35 pm

OK, this will probably make for a heated thread. We all know BE pets that show level 1 but are more like level 50 caliber are bugged. But is it considered a punishable/bannable offense to use one?

Yodogn
Master Swordsman

SioBabble

Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:37 pm

#2

If it isn't, it should be. At the very least, the pet should be taken away and destroyed by a CSR.

No one who has not invested the SP to aquire the skills to control a creature at that level should be allowed to call it. Period, end of discussion.

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ArkadyRossovich

Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:09 pm

#3

i dont think it should be bannable.

i have a lvl 0 narglatch back from when i wasa BE. it was was the first pet i made, back when you could not customize them. a razor cat was a razor cat, a kaadu was a kaadu, the good ole days.

then again i am a Master Creature handler, so i'm biased.

Not playing anymore buy my stuff to help newbs.

Wokka

Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:10 pm

#4

It was supposed to be fixed already.

BUT! What I've noticed is that whenever they say they fixed something that I never noticed, is when it BECOMES a problem. They said pets no longer stop at zone lines, then I noticemy pets now stop at zone lines. They said they fixed the problem with pets auto-storing during a fight, I said "oh no, now they're gonna store during a fight". And they started doing that. There's plenty of other examples, I just can't remember all of them. Start noticing though, its a blast.

Wokka-wokka

Asher76

Fri Mar 26, 2004 5:48 pm

#5

they tried to fix this by means of the valid pet check, which of course failed miserably and affected everything other than what it was intended too. While the lvl 10 10k ham super critters are still callable CH's are getting invalid pet messages for beefed up BE pets level 12 and up. One even stated he got the invalid message on a lvl 24 pet. As for the banning questoin i haven't seen any instance of it. And since the part of it that is considered an exploit, or was at the time, is on the BE's part, well actually i dont know how that relates to the buyer. Good Luck.

Asher'

Sooty

Fri Mar 26, 2004 7:33 pm

#6

Is it a bug? Quite clearly yes

Do you know its a bug? Also, yes

Wouldit be areasonable expectation of any player to consider a level 1 or level 0 pet that is a level 50+ in the wild to be a bug? Again, clearly yes.

Is knowingly using a bug for personal advantage the definition of exploit? Yes

Is this particular instance of an exploit a bannable offense? We have no definitive answer, but for info I know of two people that I knew for a fact used to use these pets for hunting (in passing, not as friends) - neither of them logs on any more. They may have quit, they may have been banned, I honestly don't know.

The questions you should be askingare - Is this game really so difficult that a person needs to cheat in order to play? And is the gain someone would get from using this cheat worth losing their account over?

Message Edited by Sooty on 03-27-2004 09:28 AM

Korrack

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:20 am

#7

I thought they had fixed the buggy exploit pets over the past two patches?

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DaBudo2

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:20 am

#8

SioBabble wrote:

If it isn't, it should be. At the very least, the pet should be taken away and destroyed by a CSR.

No one who has not invested the SP to aquire the skills to control a creature at that level should be allowed to call it. Period, end of discussion.

Yep. Can't say it any better.

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TrickDaddyDollars

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:47 am

#9

No this was not fixed even though it was listed in the patch notes. I knew this thread would provoke some strong opinions, however any facts out there? Is this a bannable offense to use one? Does anyone know of any bans or suspensions related to using this bug?

Yodogn
Master Swordsman

SioBabble

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:50 am

#10

TrickDaddyDollars wrote:
No this was not fixed even though it was listed in the patch notes. I knew this thread would provoke some strong opinions, however any facts out there? Is this a bannable offense to use one? Does anyone know of any bans or suspensions related to using this bug?

I don't know of a ban, no.

I know it was discussed as bannable, back just after publish 5.

But then again, SOE only makes a habit of reporting mass bannings for farily specific offenses (the double slice exploit, for example).

I would say that if you purchase one of these bugged critters, you do so at your own risk.

Tazz vonMannstein Baron-Administrator of Corellia, master navigator of Corellia, captain of the Gregarious Gurreck

Sio Babble MBH/MCH/Cabana Boy; master of Tyson, the GNORT OF DEATH

Jeffn Akbar Nerfed from here to Lok MD/MCM

Zanti Agaesia Bothan MBE, 12 point Master Chef, Havoc Squadron Ace pilot

NlMH

Sun Mar 28, 2004 10:49 am

#11

It's really only bannable if a lot of people take notice and submit tickets, but in your case, most people will either not bother examining your pet or won't be able to see your pet's stats anyway, that andthey don't know if you're aMCH or not.

As long as you have it, you might as well use it. You can deal with the guilt later, heeheh.

Now, if you happen to have say, 5 of these guys out at once, then people will take notice and would run a high risk of being banned.

"Dogs have masters. Cats have staff" -Anonymous

Pluto9Moon

Sun Mar 28, 2004 11:58 am

#12

Is the question "is it bannable" or "should it be bannable"?

OK. Follow with me here.

SOE creates a bug that works against me such autostore. YES.

SOE knows this is a bug. YES.

SOE uses that bug against CH. YES.

SOE exploits CH. YES

Look all I am saying is if SOE has bugs that work against me. Why can I not use the bugs that work for me? This is not just a matter of ethics. This is about playabilty. I had both my pets autostore on me during a friends Part 3 of Act III last night. I am currently a MDoc/MCH all I was there for was crowd control. She is MDoc and some Carbine. Wave 2. No more pets. We were lucky to stay alive. The cowardly nature of which I play my CH (LOL Enchanter instincts from EQ) is the main reason I survived. SOE no more cares about the bugs that work against us than Jihad terrorist care about innocent victims. Should bugs that work for you be bannable? I say no. Autostore is more offensive to me than anyone and I do mean anyone using a 1(0) bug. And I am really against non-CH's having powerful pets. But I see little difference from the CL1 and the CL10 with 10K ham. The point is that the bugs that work against me should mean the Devs get replaced/banned for leaving them in game IF indeed they are going to ban people for using ones that work in our favor.

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taloncard

Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:00 pm

#13

Um no offence but if you are gonna call my CL 1 kaduu with 800HAM an exploit I will laugh at the CSR that bans me

I really don't know if this is one of the bugged pets but really? 800 ham and no resists a exploit?

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