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Thread: Hmm what is wrong with a lvl54 master CH

lostswede
Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:43 pm
#1

Before CU was it fine to be master CH only, i could use mask scent and sneak up and tame rancor and voritor babies. It was a thrill, it was a challange, if mask scent failed i was dead by the mom to the baby.


After CU do mask scent not work agaisnt things my own lvl or higher so the mom agro more often, ok i can accept that it got abit more of a challange. The pet remap did add another problem, the hostil baby. Yes the baby is yellow but it act as an adult. The baby is hostile towards me even before i try to tame it so mask scent is my only defense and it doesnt work. Slinking voritor hunter babies means my death they are lvl55.


A lvl80 CH can go around and not even agroo 20 adults laying close to the baby, so for them has the challange been removed, my friend tells me go lvl80 ch as he did and you can tame even vl70 pets without any risk, another issue then the weaker mask scentis the harder it is to tame a pet. before CU did my ithorian with BIO clothes and food only take 1-3 tries to tame something, now i need ot take 10-20 tries to get something as a slinking voritor hunter, together with weaker mask scent it means it hasnt been a little harder it has been alot harder.


It feels that be a master CH without any combat proffession to back it up been absolete, i loved CH and the pets to defend my self when i was surveying, i could also do easier quests and theam parks for my self. I was also now after CU able to run and follow my friends on special quest as the mydrill caves and ryatt trail, but with the new pet system so do i need to collect pet skills just as the rest of you and get new pets and it makes me feel useless, because it is to hard for me.


Every one doesnt want to be a BH or what ever and mix with CH, most ppl that try to convince me to go to lvl80 is BHs.


This is the CH forum so i will here try to point out a flaw with lvl54 CHs, i know i will prob get some BH/CH on me and tell me to go lvl80 but it is the CH forum and not the BH forum and a lvl54 CH is just as much CH as them. They amy go un haressed and tame what ever they want i am dead meat. Those who say it is my choice itell them yes it is my choice, but i did sign up for being a CH and not a CH/BH, why should aCH mixed with BH be better on tame animals then a pure CH,i hope that some one notice that some kind of balance needs ot be done, CH bonus ot mask scent would be some aid but i think the problem is some where else.


Horn out



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Anobaca
Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:24 am
#2






Sethna wrote:

I'm assuming you are using the Mask Scent BE-clothes,but have you tried the camo-kits that rangers can make. Do they make any difference?










I have a ranger friend that gives me camo kits when she helps me look for pets to tame. Even though I am level 80 and most the things we have looked for lately are below 60 I will lose camo from time to time. Seems random to me when it happens. Sorry I know this does not help much.






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lostswede
Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:41 am
#3






Sethna wrote:

I'm assuming you are using the Mask Scent BE-clothes,but have you tried the camo-kits that rangers can make. Do they make any difference?










I got BE clothes i got food, i have tried camo and i have tried camo from rangers, nothing work. The lowered agression fron critters 10 lvls below you helsp the lvl80 CH but for me would that be lvl44 critters and i can say this lvl44 critters nad belwo is easy to go and tame. Thx for the advice but i had all ready tried it before and after CU.



It seems as the thing that keeps us from being overpower is really crippling to the weaker of us, this system only rewards the lvl80 warrior. I dont say i shall be able to fight as good as oen of them because i cant because i ahve no real combat proffession, but when it comesto tame animals and handle them for trainning and stuff would i say i shall be just as good as a lvl80 because i am a master and no other proffession buffs up CH to that. The hostile yellow dot babies doesnt make this easier either, the babies of a bull rancor kills me in no time even if i get past parents before i even try to tame it.


Add BH to doc doesnt make it a better Doc, why should BH added to CH give a better CH.



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Darkcrest
Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:08 am
#4

well my two cents even though Im lvl 80 (mch/mrifles) I do notice a difference when wearing my mask scent/camo clothing when hunting for babies especially on the more hostile planets like yavin 4 klikniks spot me 90% of the time (lvl 72-79) I usually use when hunting mask scent +15 camo + 15 spec ops duster, camo kits and jawa beer and on rare occasions the looted aroma buff that adds to mask scent even with all these I do get spotted on occasion


one of the things you can try with all the above items is if you spot a baby try to wait it out and see if it strays away from parents/adults when it does walk up to it slowly at an angle so your not in direct eyesite I find this helps ( learned from old pre cu days when sampleing from a mutant rancor ) dont speeder up just walk faster movement tends to draw attention faster. some of the other food you can use while taming is the pikatta pie or air cake it adds to dodge from attacks and also any food that will add to your ranged/melee defences so babies wont hit as often if you do keep your speeder out most babies/adults will only chase you for 100m then drop off I usually reapply the camo kit when running from baby and go right back as soon as it drops pursuit


I hope some of this helps





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lostswede
Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:14 am
#5

I sneak on foot and wait as you describe, but it dont help when the baby is just as agressive as the adults and allmost as deadly.


Horn out





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OddWan
Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:31 am
#6

The biggest problem for you at level 54 is the CL of most of the mobs around you, and hate aggrivation they have towards anything weaker than them. My BE is cl57 and I have to be very wary when I set foot on a wild planet. Now this is my choice - I want to be a BE/CH and I have novice med to heal myself (witht he modded clothes too) and some pistol to defend myself. So not a bit of BH in sight there.

My other choice on my main was to retain the template I have always had since live - the CH/TK. It makes me cl80 for combat, again ignoring all good advice as to how weak I was in combat and "should go this - or that"

You are playing the way you want to play - always please yourself first. You just need to adapt your play style to the new "hate" bags that is all mobs are now. Creature level is everything - but the modded clothes can give you work rounds.




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lostswede
Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:39 am
#7


The clothes help for critters lvl45-50 maybe but a lvl55 voritor hunter notice me the same minute i get within 40 meters from them. Somethign strange happend when my sl/pistoleer grouped with a BE lvl17, she coudl easy sneak up and take samples from lvl65-70 critters. Normaly didnt the critters care if you had one higher in group , they agroo agaisnt the lower lvl any way but this went smooth with all critters exept klikniks on yavin, i will try if the same goes for CH later. But a stronger mask scent woudl help CHs and BEs in work and not be totaly unbalancing if mask scent was broken the moment you attack and taming and sampling didnt count as attacks.


Hornout




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Dodece
Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:33 am
#8

Here are some things to help.


1. Tame from speeders yeah you can tame from speeders useing radial con and tame from that. Quicker getaway.usually before you take a hit.


2. Maskscent only against viscious creatures otherwise and you have it up if it breaks it actually gives you aggro.


3. Simply group with a level 80 player.


Your right maskscent and camo are really kind of jokes now. They work only at times when you really dont need them. Sneaking past something that wont aggro anyway is not a real accomplishment and when you see something you dont want to fight odds bigger then you. You cant slip by.


SLEIBHEEN
Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:44 am
#9

also remember that speed breaks mask scent so walk,don't run.



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KMad
Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:06 am
#10






Dodece wrote:

3. Simply group with a level 80 player.




that has a good side anda bad side. good, in that if you do get aggro, the mobs hit you for less than they would, because you are considered CL80 instead of CL54 so your defenses are better against mobs your level or higher. but, when you're considered CL80 and you're not really CL80, mobs con as grey even when they're not (an aggro CL60 will attack you if you don't have mask scent up, for example) so you have to pay more attention to your surroundings, using tab instead of trusting the radar con colors.




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SlickRiptide
Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:32 am
#11







Dodece wrote:

3. Simply group with a level 80 player.





If that really worked like a true "sidekick" system then you wouldn't hear all the CL1 entertainers and crafters complaining about how horribly gimped they are post-CU. Unfortunately, the benefits of grouping are only applicable during battle. There are no benefits to it if your intention is to avoid battle. You're still considered CL1 or CL54 or whatever for purposes of mobs aggroing on you, and your life points are still at their normal level, soa CL1 isa one-hit incap for most high CL mobs.


For the grouping thing to work they need to make you a "full sidekick", with a true CL80 and all of the accoutrements that go with it while you're grouped.

DaBudo2
Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:24 am
#12

IMHO, all professions were negatively impacted by the new Combat Level system, particularly non-combat professions. Though I think CH faired worse than any other combat profession. The CL system does practically force one to have two elite combat professions. Practically speaking, one has only two options: be combat or be non-combat. Well, a third option would be to be really ineffective in combat.
So, an unfortunate side effect, so to speak, of the CL system is that a CL54 CH (or any CL54 combat profession) is just not going to be as effective as CL80. Just the way it is.



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miodac
Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:37 am
#13

Just to clarify what level is say a TKM on its own or a swordman, noone is just one profession when they get 250 points to spend.



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