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Thread: better get that Bull Rancor baby now
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DeeNee
Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:09 pm
#1
from reading the posts from the devs people need to realise that mob strengths are N|OT yet final. THings like corellian butterflies, durni's etc are on the main part higher level.
in old pre CU land if you were buffed a red con would mean easy kill still.
Post CU if it is above white when there is much harder fight. Until we see what level mobs are its hard to know what we can/can't kill - so dont give up if you can't kill a durni yet!
in old pre CU land if you were buffed a red con would mean easy kill still.
Post CU if it is above white when there is much harder fight. Until we see what level mobs are its hard to know what we can/can't kill - so dont give up if you can't kill a durni yet!
jedi4tw
Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:38 pm
#2
Sinnaman wrote:I see no way I will be able to solo Bull Rancor Lairs anymore. Looks like I either need to quadrouple my time on Dath in the next month or just give up.
And this is why im concerned about the CU, too many "spoiled" players from old combat system that got used to "soloing" everything in game that was NOT intended to be soloed. And by the way, its not the group its "WHO" you group with that makes the difference!
damn whinning kiddies, always "me me me me"
Skull-Taker
Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:05 pm
#4
I gave up trying to find a baby bull rancor after countless days and nights "and a few death's" I just got a BE to make me a few rancors with simular stats and a few other nasty little critters.
valetman
Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:19 pm
#5
DeeNee wrote:
from reading the posts from the devs people need to realise that mob strengths are N|OT yet final. THings like corellian butterflies, durni's etc are on the main part higher level.
in old pre CU land if you were buffed a red con would mean easy kill still.
Post CU if it is above white when there is much harder fight. Until we see what level mobs are its hard to know what we can/can't kill - so dont give up if you can't kill a durni yet!
This is absolutely correct.
firstly, creature levels on anything not on tat are not balanced yet, presently most wild alirs on tat are now bugged since yesterdays patch too, level 120 kreetle for instance
we also do not know what level players will be post CU with completed templates, so its all conjecture.
however, i will point out one thing.
Everyone else that wants to kill rancors will need a group as well, not just CH, and people LOVE to kill rancors, so I dont see getting a group too difficult.
Your thinking noone groups now, so nop one willl then, and your going to be left outin the cold.
truth is, everyone will be grouping for high level stuff, and I have a feeling CH with good pets will be most welcome in a group.
Sinnaman
Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:39 pm
#6
jedi4tw wrote:
Sinnaman wrote:
I see no way I will be able to solo Bull Rancor Lairs anymore. Looks like I either need to quadrouple my time on Dath in the next month or just give up.
And this is why im concerned about the CU, too many "spoiled" players from old combat system that got used to "soloing" everything in game that was NOT intended to be soloed. And by the way, its not the group its "WHO" you group with that makes the difference!
damn whinning kiddies, always "me me me me"
Jedi4tw, you must be on crack.
if you honestly think a master ch and master pistoleer is "spoiled" in the current combat system then you need to check yourself into rehab, and i suggest as quickly as possible. And as for me being a "whining kiddie", my wife and daughter would definitely disagree, and I find no reason to insult me in this or any other forum because I have expressed my opinion. I have lots of friends, and do rancor missions with them on occasion. However as I have stated, it is much more difficult to control the situation and keep people happy trying to get something they don't care about. They want to kill rancors and could care less about waiting for babies to spawn. Boom boom on the lair and they'vegotten their reward and they're off to the next kill. I'm not whining, merely making a statement of fact for everyone who actually cares about CH to read. Oh and maybe you need to learn how to spell while you try and relax.
theorb22
Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:18 pm
#7
Sinnaman wrote:
jedi4tw wrote:
Sinnaman wrote:I see no way I will be able to solo Bull Rancor Lairs anymore. Looks like I either need to quadrouple my time on Dath in the next month or just give up.
And this is why im concerned about the CU, too many "spoiled" players from old combat system that got used to "soloing" everything in game that was NOT intended to be soloed. And by the way, its not the group its "WHO" you group with that makes the difference!
damn whinning kiddies, always "me me me me"Jedi4tw, you must be on crack.if you honestly think a master ch and master pistoleer is "spoiled" in the current combat system then you need to check yourself into rehab, and i suggest as quickly as possible. And as for me being a "whining kiddie", my wife and daughter would definitely disagree, and I find no reason to insult me in this or any other forum because I have expressed my opinion. I have lots of friends, and do rancor missions with them on occasion. However as I have stated, it is much more difficult to control the situation and keep people happy trying to get something they don't care about. They want to kill rancors and could care less about waiting for babies to spawn. Boom boom on the lair and they've gotten their reward and they're off to the next kill. I'm not whining, merely making a statement of fact for everyone who actually cares about CH to read. Oh and maybe you need to learn how to spell while you try and relax.
The man has a point about his template, that was actually the first one I ever tried, and I can say personally it's the epitome of brokenness/nerfdom. And there was one idea I had awhile ago about how the people grinding rancors are in it for money and don't want to take breaks to do anything else. What if a person simply set up an auction asking for any rancor huntery people to be on the lookout for bull rancor babies, and posting a signifigant reward for any successful tames which might result? People certainly do it for all the critters people need in those knight quests, and a bull rancor baby is quite a deal harder to find than any of those creatures, so it seems justified to me to let other's do the work and offer a reward for it :/. Sure it's not exactly the hard way that takes 6 months and 1000+ lairs (or 5 if your joker), but still, isn't it all about the final tame?
Message Edited by theorb22 on 04-03-2005 07:20 PM
DaBudo2
Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:52 pm
#8
Well, so far, I'd say that group hunting is definitely going to make a come-back. I've had more fun on TC than I've had in a long time because of grouping. TC reminds me a lot of the "old" days when you'd go to Dantooine to do group hunting - had to hunt in groups. I know some prefer to solo, but for me I always had the most fun in those group hunts. I agree with Valetman, people are going to want to group and a CH is going to be most welcome in any group.
It maybe that we'll have to have groups to hunt bull rancors, though, as was pointed out, it's too soon to know much of anything yet. Still, let's say we will need to group. Certainly the risk of a baby bull getting killed is greater for the very reasons Sinnamon cites. However, per Orb22's thought, I think it will be possible to form groups to hunt bull rancors with the express purpose of finding a baby. I know only too well how frustrating it is to try to find a baby bull rancor, and I doubt it's going to get any less frustrating. But I do think it will definitely still be possible.
oWsCloned
Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:56 pm
#9
The problem is SWG was a game that was marketed as a MMORPG that could be played either solo or grouped. Now they want to change it to grouped only. Of course people who play solo are going to be upset. Thats why we play this MMO, because we don't want to be forced to group. We want to be able to explore, tame creatures, fight, without the hassles of being in a group. Sometimes groups are good, many times they are a waste of time. I want the choice to either play alone or group up. I don't want that choice decided for me by the devs who make the creature so tough I have to group. If you want to group, I have now problem with that. Make lairs bigger with groups, make missions exponentially bigger with groups, give skill bonuses to groups, etc. I don't care. Just don't make it so that I can't search for a rare without 6-8 other players in tow.
jedi4tw wrote:
Sinnaman wrote:
I see no way I will be able to solo Bull Rancor Lairs anymore. Looks like I either need to quadrouple my time on Dath in the next month or just give up.
And this is why im concerned about the CU, too many "spoiled" players from old combat system that got used to "soloing" everything in game that was NOT intended to be soloed. And by the way, its not the group its "WHO" you group with that makes the difference!
damn whinning kiddies, always "me me me me"
hossp
Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:14 pm
#10
i have to agree, what i like about this game is the abilty to play solo, most of my in game friends are also adults , with jobs, and families, so arranging group time is difficult and i would say about 90% of the time i play solo..i am not against grouping, but it is just often very impractical..if SOE removes that aspect of the game, i think they will find the only people playing the bills are soccer moms of 13yr olds, who can play 24/7..for many of us gametime has to revolve around RL, and if the only time we can play effectivly is when everyone from various parts of the country has free time simotaneously, then we probably won't play much at all
Sinnaman
Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:59 am
#11
How many of us are going to be able to get a group of friends to accompany us on our Bull Rancor baby search after the CU? Sure you might get some to go with you once in a while, but then you have to deal with the frustration of the melees, the impatience of the masses and most of all, the big OOPS i didn't mean to kill it factor. Since I can't seem to even solo a gorg on TC at the moment, I see no way I will be able to solo Bull Rancor Lairs anymore. Looks like I either need to quadrouple my time on Dath in the next month or just give up. And of course there is no guarantee I'll find one in the next month, i've been looking for a year now (I have done almost 300 lairs and don't spend every waking minute on Dath cause I would go crazy.) 
Good luck everyone, get hunting
jopenack
Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:28 am
#12
Well everytime I see the old "No one should be able to solo a rancor" sentence I think to myself true except CH. yea I know people will yell blah blah blah
I look at it from this perspective.
CH do not solo = We are a group.
We group with 2-3 pets and should be able to solo a rancor lair.
MCH + Bull Rancor + lvl 20ish ranged pet vs Rancor lair, 2 Rancors in a spawn.
Lure one away if possible and you should win, even having pet take agro vs 2 at a time you should be close to victory. My take on it is 50/50 chance of winning, I like those odds.
Of coarse the hate system could ruin this, only time shall tell.
To Sum this up "We do not solo, we group with pets, therefore we should be fine"
Tycalibur
Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:05 pm
#13
On the note of the original post, better get ANY creature you've been thinking about for awhile. Do it now, while you still can.
Even just a standard rancor. Or a Greater Sludge Panther. Lesser creatures, greater creatures, bio-pets, anything you think you're going to need...get it now and plan to keep it for awhile.
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