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Thread: Vertexon, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt ...
KzinKiller wrote:
It's not 'all the changes made in the past few months', it's one set of specific changes in Pub 5 that the devs clearly stated, right here in these forums, they knew made the CH profession overly weak but would work out "in the balance when it's implemented." Since the balance was not implemented and we have no idea when (or if) it will, the quite reasonable question is "Why did you stick us with this crappy code that relied on other game changes that never took place?"
Look at it from your own perspective. I don't know your line of work, so I will use some example.
Say you're a clerk in a lawyer's office. You spent weeks upon weeks coming up with a filing system that you swear will work wonders. A few months down the line, some interns tell you that your system sucks. You got paid to think up and implement that system. Would you tell your boss, "Hey, sorry, boss, but that didn't work out after all. I'm going to need another month to put it back to the way it was." If you would, then you have a forgiving boss who doesn't mind losing all that money. Furthermore, your boss doesn't mind sending a message to the clients. That message is, "We don't care enough to do it right the first time." Not many bosses are like that. And I bet Sony bosses are not like that either.
So, to answer your question: <b>"why they would not revert to the earlier code when it became clear the Balance was a mirage that might never happen."</b> They aren't going to admit to any mistakes to the higher-ups. They probably also honestly thought the Balance was going to happen, but bureaucracy wins again.
In either case, petitioning to roll back one section of code and force the devs to explain to the bosses why their money was not well-spent is a worthless cause.
And asking why they didn't abort their plan at the moment is equally quixotic. What explanation could they give will satisfy the user? There really isn't one.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=creature_handler&message.id=175740
It isn't going to happen. We have had more attention than most professions combined, so we cannot expect any more soon. I don't like it, but that is the way it is.
The real question to me, is whether it is worth waiting around for the fixes to be made?
Seiryuu wrote:
While I whole-heartedly agree something needs to be done, we should all realize nothing will change. Why? Because if they don't have the time and man-power to implement the Combat Balance, where are they going to find the time to undo the changes they have already made? Then change them back when the Balance does go through?
It isn't going to happen. We have had more attention than most professions combined, so we cannot expect any more soon. I don't like it, but that is the way it is.
The real question to me, is whether it is worth waiting around for the fixes to be made?
We had more attention than other professions because we worked, and the others didn't, and we had to be as broken as they were.
This is the bottom line. Nerf those professions that are working, and drag them down to the morass of mediocrity.
It isn't going to happen. We have had more attention than most professions combined, so we cannot expect any more soon. I don't like it, but that is the way it is.
KzinKiller wrote:
I'd still like an answer on how "my" correspondent feels about this ... I think a lot of MCH's do. Do you support or oppose a rollback of the Pub 5 nerf, and have you communicated this to the devs? Have you received any feedback?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Mental masturbation at best. Such a thing will not happen.
Sure, there have been some mistakes realized in SWG and other games. In these cases, the powers that be will catch the mistake and make changes within a week.
You’re talking about scrapping all the changes made in the past few months. Why would the devs even consider this? How does this look for them? It tells the higher-ups that they aren’t doing their job right. So, why do you think they would listen to your suggestion?
Is it worth deleting? Probably not, but this certainly is one of the least constructive threads. Nothing will be done about it. You might as well post a thread about, "You know what? Let’s have Hoth but the Rebels win this time."
It’s good to care about such things, but face it; asking to roll back the game several months is about the most worthless thing you can do. The image they want to portray to the higher-ups and the customers is "progress." People don’t see progress if you reverse changes.
Sorry, but that’s life. Propose some changes that will stick, instead.
You’re talking about scrapping all the changes made in the past few months. Why would the devs even consider this? How does this look for them? It tells the higher-ups that they aren’t doing their job right. So, why do you think they would listen to your suggestion?
Well, of course the deleted thread had many articulate posts that spoke to these questions.
Why would they do it? Because the changes completely failed to achieve any real game 'balacing' objective and were made in anticipation of a Combat Balance happening 4 months ago that has never taken place .... the reasonable question would be why they would not revert to the earlier code when it became clear the Balance was a mirage that might never happen.
It's not 'all the changes made in the past few months', it's one set of specific changes in Pub 5 that the devs clearly stated, right here in these forums, they knew made the CH profession overly weak but would work out "in the balance when it's implemented." Since the balance was not implemented and we have no idea when (or if) it will, the quite reasonable question is "Why did you stick us with this crappy code that relied on other game changes that never took place?"
With every publish up to 6, we have had significant attention to the profession. Most of this attention was nerfs or balance, some of which broke working things, as Sio said. This is time spent on the profession. In the developers' eyes, this equates to attention.
Look at Droid Engineers. Publish 7 was a joke despite its name. Publish 8 is the first real attention they have gotten. Chefs got one publish. BEs got one. Squad Leader, Pikeman and many others have yet to get anything.
We had six. Don't expect anything soon.
(Judging by their past track record, do you really think getting attention is going to improve our lot any? Call me jaded, cynical and bitter, but I kind of like not being involved in a patch.)
(Judging by their past track record, do you really think getting attention is going to improve our lot any? Call me jaded, cynical and bitter, but I kind of like not being involved in a patch.)