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Thread: ATTN: DEVS--Request for a voting system for CU
Message Edited by ArythBandar on 03-20-2005 02:05 AM
Message Edited by ArythBandar on 03-22-2005 02:27 PM
ArythBandar wrote:
I figured this would be an apropriate place to post this. Reading the CU Update post I noticed that there were 65pages (at last count) of people supporting the upgrade of supporting the current format.I know in my guild (87 strong) most don't like this new upgrade and have huge doubts about it. Given the current description of what is going to happen I can't say that I blame them (in fact I have written a few posts about how much I dislike this new supposed "upgrade").
This is what I suggest: Let the ppl who pay $15 a month to play this version of SWG decide if they want this upgrade or not. Set up a simple vote and count them. Whether it be as simple as a Dev Moderated Thread that asks for a "Yes" or "No" to this upgrade or something as elaborate as a program where each account can vote once and they'll be automatically tallied.
I say this b/c right now it seems like you are not listenig to the paying customers. The people that pay you're salaries and help keep SOE in business. I understand that a lot of time and money went into crafting this upgrade, butI'm sure you can keep somethings (let's not go out of our way to change characters that some ppl have had for over a year on, seemingly, a whim).
I honestly don't think you're Marketing Department is doing their job. Do you think you'll be able to bring in enough people to cover the number of people who leave? (I know a lot of people threaten, and it's been done in the past, but in the 1.5yrs I've played this game I have not once felt the overwhelming desire to quit this game--I've taken my fair share of breaks, though).
They won't do it, its all or nothing....and they devs decided so its going to be all..
Message Edited by ArythBandar on 03-20-2005 02:03 AM
ArythBandar wrote:How very very sad. How can ppl be so blind as to what the public outcry is for? They're retooling the game to get rid of veteran players and make way for new ones. I knew something was up when they started giving us some nice (and valuable) veteran rewards.Message Edited by ArythBandar on 03-20-2005 02:03 AM
well, the forums here only represent about 25% of the actual playing community. the sysetm would have to be set up where the vote box and details were in the portal that opens when you go to log on. so, would you rather them program something like that, or continue spending time actually working on the game? it is a bit of an extreme comparison, but it always paints a more clear picture.
one other thing...
i have been one who cries out for the community to be heard as well, but for one specific reason: the devs showed no clear signs of a "plan" early on. the community had great ideas and a great plan so i supported listening to the community outcry. however, in the past couple of months the dev team has shown me two things:
1. they DO have a plan
2. they intend on carrying out that plan
they allow things to be changed and tweaked here and there by the community, but overall they are trying to keep their vision intact. it is not yours or my place to determine whether that vision is right or wrong, only if we like it or not. if there 65 pages of support for the CU changes, then that pretty much says the board community supports it even if your guild and 80 other players on your server don't.
you can't leave the major decisions in the hands of the supporters. the "leader" has to choose a direction and go. if it is wrong, and they are a good leader, they will admit they're wrong and turn around. listening to public outcry does NOT make you a good leader. being able to make a decision in the face of extreme adversity does. if they ever actually get this done, the players will adapt. we always have, so there is no reason to think we won't this time. remember, it's a game, not a substitution for face-to-face human interaction.
_Neko wrote:
What you saw was the first page of many, many upcoming pages of info.
Read it all first then make a post like this
Trust me, I read it...all. And I didn't like what I read.
Mor-Dan wrote:
ArythBandar wrote:
How very very sad. How can ppl be so blind as to what the public outcry is for? They're retooling the game to get rid of veteran players and make way for new ones. I knew something was up when they started giving us some nice (and valuable) veteran rewards.
Message Edited by ArythBandar on 03-20-2005 02:03 AM
well, the forums here only represent about 25% of the actual playing community. the sysetm would have to be set up where the vote box and details were in the portal that opens when you go to log on. so, would you rather them program something like that, or continue spending time actually working on the game? it is a bit of an extreme comparison, but it always paints a more clear picture.
one other thing...
i have been one who cries out for the community to be heard as well, but for one specific reason: the devs showed no clear signs of a "plan" early on. the community had great ideas and a great plan so i supported listening to the community outcry. however, in the past couple of months the dev team has shown me two things:
1. they DO have a plan
2. they intend on carrying out that plan
they allow things to be changed and tweaked here and there by the community, but overall they are trying to keep their vision intact. it is not yours or my place to determine whether that vision is right or wrong, only if we like it or not. if there 65 pages of support for the CU changes, then that pretty much says the board community supports it even if your guild and 80 other players on your server don't.
If you read my post carefully you would have noted that there aren't 65 pages supporting the CU. It varies from praise, to unenthusiastic acceptance, to down right hating this new system. I think a lot of players are gonna get the short end of the stick here. I wish I can say I have faith in the Devs and their vision, but I can't. As a veteran player with over 1.5yrs of play (since 9/03), it's been my impression that the Devs' vision is cloudy, at best (anyone remember the Smuggler love that was promised back in November of 2003--last I saw there was a nice post in the Smuggler forum showing a timeline of Dev promises that were never fullfilled).
You do have a point about the voting system, though. I remember there was a forum related voting for JTL beta (and one right after signing out), so hopefully those who are allowed to test it will be able to get their voices heard (and paid attention to) during that phase and it won't be as bad as it appears to be.
Mor-Dan wrote:
ArythBandar wrote:
Mor-Dan wrote:
ArythBandar wrote:
How very very sad. How can ppl be so blind as to what the public outcry is for? They're retooling the game to get rid of veteran players and make way for new ones. I knew something was up when they started giving us some nice (and valuable) veteran rewards.
Message Edited by ArythBandar on 03-20-2005 02:03 AM
well, the forums here only represent about 25% of the actual playing community. the sysetm would have to be set up where the vote box and details were in the portal that opens when you go to log on. so, would you rather them program something like that, or continue spending time actually working on the game? it is a bit of an extreme comparison, but it always paints a more clear picture.
one other thing...
i have been one who cries out for the community to be heard as well, but for one specific reason: the devs showed no clear signs of a "plan" early on. the community had great ideas and a great plan so i supported listening to the community outcry. however, in the past couple of months the dev team has shown me two things:
1. they DO have a plan
2. they intend on carrying out that plan
they allow things to be changed and tweaked here and there by the community, but overall they are trying to keep their vision intact. it is not yours or my place to determine whether that vision is right or wrong, only if we like it or not. if there 65 pages of support for the CU changes, then that pretty much says the board community supports it even if your guild and 80 other players on your server don't.
If you read my post carefully you would have noted that there aren't 65 pages supporting the CU. It varies from praise, to unenthusiastic acceptance, to down right hating this new system. I think a lot of players are gonna get the short end of the stick here. I wish I can say I have faith in the Devs and their vision, but I can't. As a veteran player with over 1.5yrs of play (since 9/03), it's been my impression that the Devs' vision is cloudy, at best (anyone remember the Smuggler love that was promised back in November of 2003--last I saw there was a nice post in the Smuggler forum showing a timeline of Dev promises that were never fullfilled).
You do have a point about the voting system, though. I remember there was a forum related voting for JTL beta (and one right after signing out), so hopefully those who are allowed to test it will be able to get their voices heard (and paid attention to) during that phase and it won't be as bad as it appears to be.
perhaps it is YOU who should read your post carefully.. i have quoted it for you below so you can see what you said that i simply quoted previously:
ArythBandar wrote:
I figured this would be an apropriate place to post this. Reading the CU Update post I noticed that there were 65pages (at last count) of people supporting the upgrade of supporting the current format. I know in my guild (87 strong) most don't like this new upgrade and have huge doubts about it.
your sentance structure hereis terrible and i can easily see how anyone could misconstrue what you said into thinking it said "65 pages of support". i know people don't care much for grammar, punctuation, or sentance structure these days when they aren' actually writing a paper, but if you are going to comment on something and expect others to understand what you say, it would be nice if you tidyed up a bit. i know i have to go back often and make sure i didn't omit whole words because "i thought it, so i must have typed it".
ArythBandar wrote:
Mor-Dan wrote:
ArythBandar wrote:
How very very sad. How can ppl be so blind as to what the public outcry is for? They're retooling the game to get rid of veteran players and make way for new ones. I knew something was up when they started giving us some nice (and valuable) veteran rewards.
Message Edited by ArythBandar on 03-20-2005 02:03 AM
well, the forums here only represent about 25% of the actual playing community. the sysetm would have to be set up where the vote box and details were in the portal that opens when you go to log on. so, would you rather them program something like that, or continue spending time actually working on the game? it is a bit of an extreme comparison, but it always paints a more clear picture.
one other thing...
i have been one who cries out for the community to be heard as well, but for one specific reason: the devs showed no clear signs of a "plan" early on. the community had great ideas and a great plan so i supported listening to the community outcry. however, in the past couple of months the dev team has shown me two things:
1. they DO have a plan
2. they intend on carrying out that plan
they allow things to be changed and tweaked here and there by the community, but overall they are trying to keep their vision intact. it is not yours or my place to determine whether that vision is right or wrong, only if we like it or not. if there 65 pages of support for the CU changes, then that pretty much says the board community supports it even if your guild and 80 other players on your server don't.
If you read my post carefully you would have noted that there aren't 65 pages supporting the CU. It varies from praise, to unenthusiastic acceptance, to down right hating this new system. I think a lot of players are gonna get the short end of the stick here. I wish I can say I have faith in the Devs and their vision, but I can't. As a veteran player with over 1.5yrs of play (since 9/03), it's been my impression that the Devs' vision is cloudy, at best (anyone remember the Smuggler love that was promised back in November of 2003--last I saw there was a nice post in the Smuggler forum showing a timeline of Dev promises that were never fullfilled).
You do have a point about the voting system, though. I remember there was a forum related voting for JTL beta (and one right after signing out), so hopefully those who are allowed to test it will be able to get their voices heard (and paid attention to) during that phase and it won't be as bad as it appears to be.
perhaps it is YOU who should read your post carefully.. i have quoted it for you below so you can see what you said that i simply quoted previously:
<br><blockquote><hr>ArythBandar wrote:<br><DIV></DIV><DIV>I figured this would be an apropriate place to post this. Reading the CU Update post I noticed that there were 65pages (at last count) of people supporting the upgrade of supporting the current format. I know in my guild (87 strong) most don't like this new upgrade and have huge doubts about it.<br><hr></blockquote><br>
your sentance structure hereis terrible and i can easily see how anyone could misconstrue what you said into thinking it said "65 pages of support". i know people don't care much for grammar, punctuation, or sentance structure these days when they aren' actually writing a paper, but if you are going to comment on something and expect others to understand what you say, it would be nice if you tidyed up a bit. i know i have to go back often and make sure i didn't omit whole words because "i thought it, so i must have typed it".
ArythBandar wrote:
I figured this would be an apropriate place to post this. Reading the CU Update post I noticed that there were 65pages (at last count) of people supporting the upgrade or supporting the current format.I know in my guild (87 strong) most don't like this new upgrade and have huge doubts about it. Given the current description of what is going to happen I can't say that I blame them (in fact I have written a few posts about how much I dislike this new supposed "upgrade").
This is what I suggest: Let the ppl who pay $15 a month to play this version of SWG decide if they want this upgrade or not. Set up a simple vote and count them. Whether it be as simple as a Dev Moderated Thread that asks for a "Yes" or "No" to this upgrade or something as elaborate as a program where each account can vote once and they'll be automatically tallied.
I say this b/c right now it seems like you are not listenig to the paying customers. The people that pay you're salaries and help keep SOE in business. I understand that a lot of time and money went into crafting this upgrade, butI'm sure you can keep somethings (let's not go out of our way to change characters that some ppl have had for over a year on, seemingly, a whim).
I honestly don't think you're Marketing Department is doing their job. Do you think you'll be able to bring in enough people to cover the number of people who leave? (I know a lot of people threaten, and it's been done in the past, but in the 1.5yrs I've played this game I have not once felt the overwhelming desire to quit this game--I've taken my fair share of breaks, though--untill now).
Message Edited by ArythBandar on 03-20-2005 02:05 AM
Message Edited by ArythBandar on 03-22-2005 02:27 PM
Agree entirely. Another case of SWG SOE bypassing the all-important feedback loop. They should introduce alternative ideas, get community/customer feedback, evaluate the feedback, and repeat as necessary until we get some workable, satisfactory solutions.
Instead, they jump right from *complaints* to *beta testing,* skipping all the inbetween feedback and evaluation. Really, really dismal project management, and they never seem to learn from their mistakes to this very day.