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Message Edited by Frolykk on 01-25-2005 06:02 PM
I wish more people would pay attention to you Cal by posting in the Core Systems instead of the Game guides forum when they want to have a discussion.
Calandryll_SOE wrote:
UJA wrote:
AnthonyGunsalves wrote:
I would like for there to be a suggestions board...strictly for suggestions
If there is one could you please point it out to me?
Thanks
i agree 100% cuz i have some suggestions that do not fit anywhere
If you have a suggestion that doesn't fit on a specific board, feel free to post it in Core Systems.
The game guides forum has become the discussions forumand it never was intended for that purpose.
Calandryll_SOE wrote:
But, you are right. There are a lot of wonderful ideas on the forums and we do read many of them. But fact is, we can only do so much. Also when we want feedback on something we are working on we'll start a thread after posting it to In Development. You'll be seeing more information there in the coming weeks.
Calandryll_SOE wrote:
We read a lot more posts than we respond to. A lot of the problem with responding to an idea is that often gets taken as a promise that we will impliment it. We've all seen that happen and a general suggestions forum won't change that.
But, you are right. There are a lot of wonderful ideas on the forums and we do read many of them. But fact is, we can only do so much. Also when we want feedback on something we are working on we'll start a thread after posting it to In Development. You'll be seeing more information there in the coming weeks.
Calandryll_SOE wrote:
You'll be seeing more information there in the coming weeks.
Not a dig at you C....but we have been hearing this for a year and a half. I guess what it comes down to for many of us is that we get tired of never getting over the rainbow and digging into the pot of gold. There always seems to be more rainbow.
Actions speak louder than words, and the time for action is now. Today. Not tomorrow, not later this week, not in the coming weeks. There area couple things you guys could do to inject some synthetic patience into us (as our natural reserve is gone)...things like answering questions about the patch loading on the servers right now. Details on this possibly insane house maintenance thing and how it works, and WHY it was put in like this. Then maybe giving us some hard numbers in the form of Metrics on profession distribution, or a server-by-server rank of the amount of creds coming into and leaving the system (indicating whether the economy is running at a deficit or not).
I admit to being a little moody this morning (had to fight for 15 minutes to get through the forum login), but I get a little exasperated only hearing cheery promises.
Calandryll_SOE wrote: You can post suggestions and ideas in any forum as long as the suggestion or idea is on topic for that board. If you can't find a board that fits your topic, you can post in the "Core Systems" board under Professions.
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Calandryll_SOE wrote:
Frolykk wrote:
If it was true, then you'd be absolutely right.
Of the post i've read from developers on the profession forums preety much all of them have been joking around with the community instead of responding to the sometimes brilliant ideas that the community has.
I'm not asking that the developers promise anything about the ideas, but simply responding with a "Hi cool idea, i didn't have time to read all of it, but i'll check back when i can find more time"
All of us wants SWG to be the best game it can be, so feedback should work both ways.
Ofcourse i understand that you guys want to take part in the fun and game on the forums with the rest of us, and you are more then welcome.
But it shouldn't be that the expence of time take to give the community feedback on their ideas.
The more feedback the community get on their ideas, the better the ideas get, and the easier they become to impliment if wanted.
We read a lot more posts than we respond to. A lot of the problem with responding to an idea is that often gets taken as a promise that we will impliment it. We've all seen that happen and a general suggestions forum won't change that.
I'm sorry, I give you guys a lot of compliments and kudos and /applause for the good things that have been happening short-term, ie. the last week or three, and its sincerely hopefulof a turnaround for the success of the game, but...
This statement is a cop-out and a lousy excuse for lousy communication. The quoted incidents when the customers have held SOE to the fire for, treating them as promises, are clearly quoted, direct quotes about things being done or currently planned, or soon to be launched. Yeah, I'd take statements like that as something I'd try to rely on. Looks specific. In all the SOE quotes going back to 1993 that are quoted in evidence lately and around here, none that I have seen are coming down on SOE for saying things like "conceptually that's a good idea that I hope we have the opportunity to explore," or "that's worth considering, I'm not sure where something like that fits into future plans but.."
So do us all a favor and stop hiding behind the "gets taken as a promise." The evidence says otherwise. I can see this being used as an excuse throughout the SOE office discussions, and nobody apparently has the moxi to step up and call it what it is... misinformation. Just make sure you're not makinga commitment when you reply. I think we've shown that we know how to read English, with maybe few exceptions.
All in all though, not to take away from the great things happening around here, more communication, and leadership around ideas to form and storm around, would be another improvement.
Message Edited by BleuDestiny on 01-25-2005 11:12 AM
Agreed. Rubbed me the wrong way too. Ivory tower.
Tymtraveler wrote:
First, it is really good to see SOE and Lucasarts making strides to fix bugs and create new content in a more timely fashion. I m very happy with the first two publishes of the New Year. Excellent Work! Keep it Up!
Now to your quote: "when we want feedback on something we are working on we'll start a thread after posting it to In Development." Read it aloud. Sounds really negative.
BleuDestiny wrote:
Calandryll_SOE wrote:
Frolykk wrote:
If it was true, then you'd be absolutely right.
Of the post i've read from developers on the profession forums preety much all of them have been joking around with the community instead of responding to the sometimes brilliant ideas that the community has.
I'm not asking that the developers promise anything about the ideas, but simply responding with a "Hi cool idea, i didn't have time to read all of it, but i'll check back when i can find more time"
All of us wants SWG to be the best game it can be, so feedback should work both ways.
Ofcourse i understand that you guys want to take part in the fun and game on the forums with the rest of us, and you are more then welcome.
But it shouldn't be that the expence of time take to give the community feedback on their ideas.
The more feedback the community get on their ideas, the better the ideas get, and the easier they become to impliment if wanted.
We read a lot more posts than we respond to. A lot of the problem with responding to an idea is that often gets taken as a promise that we will impliment it. We've all seen that happen and a general suggestions forum won't change that.
I'm sorry, I give you guys a lot of compliments and kudos and /applause for the good things that have been happening short-term, ie. the last week or three, and its sincerely hopefulof a turnaround for the success of the game, but...
This statement is a cop-out and a lousy excuse for lousy communication. The quoted incidents when the customers have held SOE to the fire for, treating them as promises, are clearly quoted, direct quotes about things being done or currently planned, or soon to be launched. Yeah, I'd take statements like that as something I'd try to rely on. Looks specific. In all the SOE quotes going back to 1993 that are quoted in evidence lately and around here, none that I have seen are coming down on SOE for saying things like "conceptually that's a good idea that I hope we have the opportunity to explore," or "that's worth considering, I'm not sure where something like that fits into future plans but.."
So do us all a favor and stop hiding behind the "gets taken as a promise." The evidence says otherwise. I can see this being used as an excuse throughout the SOE office discussions, and nobody apparently has the moxi to step up and call it what it is... misinformation. Just make sure you're not makinga commitment when you reply. I think we've shown that we know how to read English, with maybe few exceptions.
All in all though, not to take away from the great things happening around here, more communication, and leadership around ideas to form and storm around, would be another improvement.
Message Edited by BleuDestiny on 01-25-2005 11:12 AM
JediKnightCZ wrote:
BleuDestiny wrote:
Calandryll_SOE wrote:
We read a lot more posts than we respond to. A lot of the problem with responding to an idea is that often gets taken as a promise that we will impliment it. We've all seen that happen and a general suggestions forum won't change that.
I'm sorry, I give you guys a lot of compliments and kudos and /applause for the good things that have been happening short-term, ie. the last week or three, and its sincerely hopefulof a turnaround for the success of the game, but...
This statement is a cop-out and a lousy excuse for lousy communication. The quoted incidents when the customers have held SOE to the fire for, treating them as promises, are clearly quoted, direct quotes about things being done or currently planned, or soon to be launched. Yeah, I'd take statements like that as something I'd try to rely on. Looks specific. In all the SOE quotes going back to 1993 that are quoted in evidence lately and around here, none that I have seen are coming down on SOE for saying things like "conceptually that's a good idea that I hope we have the opportunity to explore," or "that's worth considering, I'm not sure where something like that fits into future plans but.."
So do us all a favor and stop hiding behind the "gets taken as a promise." The evidence says otherwise. I can see this being used as an excuse throughout the SOE office discussions, and nobody apparently has the moxi to step up and call it what it is... misinformation. Just make sure you're not makinga commitment when you reply. I think we've shown that we know how to read English, with maybe few exceptions.
All in all though, not to take away from the great things happening around here, more communication, and leadership around ideas to form and storm around, would be another improvement.
Devs are communicating enough. It's not their problem everyone here take all what they say as a promise. It's our problem- the community.
/bow
If you're going to reply to someone off of their quote, at least make it relevant to the comment you're quoting.
SOE: "A lot of the problem with responding to an idea is that often gets taken as a promise that we will impliment it. We've all seen that happen and a general suggestions forum won't change that"
BlueDestiny: "This statement is a cop-out. The quoted incidents when the customers have held SOE to the fire for, treating them as promises, are clearly quoted, direct quotes about things being done or currently planned, or soon to be launched. So do us all a favor and stop hiding behind the "gets taken as a promise." The evidence says otherwise. I can see this being used as an excuse throughout the SOE office discussions, and nobody apparently has the moxi to step up and call it what it is... misinformation.
JediKnightCZ: "Devs are communicating enough. It's not their problem everyone here take all what they say as a promise."
I think the point is JediKnight, if you read what you were quoting, which asserted falselythat we all take "concepts" and treat them as "a promise," this is misinformation.
We do not take concepts and treat them as promises. We do however, take quoted specific statements about things SOE has been quoted, direct quotes about things "that will be coming," "currently planned," or "soon to be launched," and posting those quotes rather frequently. There's a difference betweenstatements aboutthings coming, versus concepts beingbrainstormed. SOE, don't accuse us of interpretting commitments from concepts. We don't, and further, we get little input at all at the conceptual level, but rather get things handed to us after its too late to change anything.
I don't think there's any question that the quotes being presented in the boards by the customers are the former, not the latter. So JediKnight, your reply is out of context,and you're trying to assign blame to a problem that I'm saying is fiction to begin with.
Don't buy the big Lie brother. Don't listen to the Man. 
It's misinformation to keep us down.
.
Message Edited by BleuDestiny on 01-25-2005 02:29 PM
BleuDestiny wrote:
JediKnightCZ wrote:
BleuDestiny wrote:
Calandryll_SOE wrote:
We read a lot more posts than we respond to. A lot of the problem with responding to an idea is that often gets taken as a promise that we will impliment it. We've all seen that happen and a general suggestions forum won't change that.
I'm sorry, I give you guys a lot of compliments and kudos and /applause for the good things that have been happening short-term, ie. the last week or three, and its sincerely hopefulof a turnaround for the success of the game, but...
This statement is a cop-out and a lousy excuse for lousy communication. The quoted incidents when the customers have held SOE to the fire for, treating them as promises, are clearly quoted, direct quotes about things being done or currently planned, or soon to be launched. Yeah, I'd take statements like that as something I'd try to rely on. Looks specific. In all the SOE quotes going back to 1993 that are quoted in evidence lately and around here, none that I have seen are coming down on SOE for saying things like "conceptually that's a good idea that I hope we have the opportunity to explore," or "that's worth considering, I'm not sure where something like that fits into future plans but.."
So do us all a favor and stop hiding behind the "gets taken as a promise." The evidence says otherwise. I can see this being used as an excuse throughout the SOE office discussions, and nobody apparently has the moxi to step up and call it what it is... misinformation. Just make sure you're not makinga commitment when you reply. I think we've shown that we know how to read English, with maybe few exceptions.
All in all though, not to take away from the great things happening around here, more communication, and leadership around ideas to form and storm around, would be another improvement.
Devs are communicating enough. It's not their problem everyone here take all what they say as a promise. It's our problem- the community.
/bow
If you're going to reply to someone off of their quote, at least make it relevant to the comment you're quoting.
SOE: "A lot of the problem with responding to an idea is that often gets taken as a promise that we will impliment it. We've all seen that happen and a general suggestions forum won't change that"
BlueDestiny: "This statement is a cop-out. The quoted incidents when the customers have held SOE to the fire for, treating them as promises, are clearly quoted, direct quotes about things being done or currently planned, or soon to be launched. So do us all a favor and stop hiding behind the "gets taken as a promise." The evidence says otherwise. I can see this being used as an excuse throughout the SOE office discussions, and nobody apparently has the moxi to step up and call it what it is... misinformation.
JediKnightCZ: "Devs are communicating enough. It's not their problem everyone here take all what they say as a promise."
I think the point is JediKnight, if you read what you were quoting, which asserted falselythat we all take "concepts" and treat them as "a promise," this is misinformation.
We do not take concepts and treat them as promises. We do however, take quoted specific statements about things SOE has been quoted, direct quotes about things "that will be coming," "currently planned," or "soon to be launched," and posting those quotes rather frequently. There's a difference betweenstatements aboutthings coming, versus concepts beingbrainstormed. SOE, don't accuse us of interpretting commitments from concepts. We don't, and further, we get little input at all at the conceptual level, but rather get things handed to us after its too late to change anything.
I don't think there's any question that the quotes being presented in the boards by the customers are the former, not the latter. So JediKnight, your reply is out of context,and you're trying to assign blame to a problem that I'm saying is fiction to begin with.
Don't buy the big Lie brother. Don't listen to the Man.
It's misinformation to keep us down.
.
Message Edited by BleuDestiny on 01-25-2005 02:29 PM
Difference? If you wish... Ignore that "will be in soon" and everything in communication will be OK. No one is perfect, SOE especially isn't.
And seriously, I would rather have something handed to us late than seeing all this trash talk on these boards.