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Thread: Want to know why the Profession is still broken?

Seiryu5
Sun Mar 14, 2004 6:00 am
#1

Because there is too much whining going on. I'm a commando and I know it needs work, but after reading a lot of these threads I'm embarrassed to call myself one and it comes as no surprise to me that we're not the top priority on the devs list. Now some of you, like Raptor and the correspondent, havefiled the complaints in a civilized manner, with most others throwing baby fits about it every time they die in pvp or run across a nightsister. Try talking about it in a mature manner...visiting this forum hurts my eyes and reminds me of the bounty hunter forum way too much. I'm sure a lot of it comes from frustration, and I know where you are coming from with it. But for the love of God, every other thread is a /whine post, just like in the CM forums every other thread is a nerf post. Where is the content? I know you will label thisas auseless thread, flaming, etc etc but someone needed to post it.


P.S. I apologize in advance for the loss ofsleep or hurt feelings this post may have caused



Korb
TechnoHic
Sun Mar 14, 2004 6:18 am
#2

I have to admit, I start reading some of these lately and want to post an idea but then I stop and think whats the point, any support I can give seems to just give people more reason to be upset and the conversation goes down.


Then you get posts going where people are being positive and then some other profession comes in here and says the ever so famous "you guys should suck one on one and only thrive when there is confusion in groups."Then it all goes down hill from there. I just dont respond anymore at that point, it irritates me but why bother? They can say all they want, it doesnt mean it will be that way and there aint nothing you can do to convince them otherwise so just walk away.





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tacwraith
Sun Mar 14, 2004 6:42 am
#3

mature, to the point posts dont get soe to do anything. they respond only to massive whining or blatant arse licking posts.

if you dont believe me do a search under a dev name and look at the threads they post in (not that they create).

the proffession is broken because soe does not play the game and have no clue what affects what.




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Seiryu5
Sun Mar 14, 2004 6:45 am
#4

Not a good excuse to whine imo



Korb
Spyrochete
Sun Mar 14, 2004 8:38 am
#5


I second that... I love my character, Flame 4 and Master CH, with a wee bit of medic. Though I do not think of myself as a Combat God. Note: If i solo a pack of Mutant Rancors, there is a good chance I might not win...

I have no complaints and will continue to give SOE my money every month. I will just smile when I run through a spawn of those pesky Rancors and say to my trusty Kimo, "Well, it is a good day for you to die." This is said as I desperately hit the Peace and Burst Run buttons, of course...

My advice to everyone is to be civil... You catch more flys with sugar Grandma Spiro always said... Go out and hunt or beat the crap out of one another, become a Master Chef, whatever floats your boat... Just don't waist everyones time on the message board whining. Please, I beg of you. Log on and surrender all of your combat skills and start over. The profession and the Galaxy will be better off. Oh yes, one more thing for the complainers, its ok that you still live with your parents and don't worry about it, everyone has those occasional bed wetting issues. STOP COMPLAINING!!!
zenixoda
Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:14 am
#6

y pay for a broken game that basicly still in beta



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Jaxtrax
Sun Mar 14, 2004 4:36 pm
#7

On one level i agree with you. However All you have to do is look at thunderhearts "what are the top 5 issues" post and read the posts and you will realize. We have posted many mature constructive requests and concerns from day one. and yet after 540+ post none of those requests have been addressed. The result of almost a year of no results have resulted in Whine posts. The worst part is instead of fixing us they nerfed us. Due to whiners from other proffessions. This just reinforces the thought that unless you are whining... They wont do anything.


On the other hand. This is indeed a forum and a game that imature people use. So you are going to get imature posts and complaints. Regardless of what they do with this proffession. this happens on any forum that draws that crowd. I dont envy the devs that have to sort through the forums for problems. However i cant speak for other proffessions but i know this one is not being listened to. That is really frustraiting and causes more whinning than the average proffession.


Seiryu5
Sun Mar 14, 2004 5:42 pm
#8

Well just look at the ranger profession...they are useless beyond anything in the game(except maybe squad leader), but their community is top notch. Just one example...



Korb
Seiryu5
Sun Mar 14, 2004 5:43 pm
#9

Also, I remember a dev posting about the commando forums...that there is too much whining and they will no respond nor listen to posts like that.



Korb
Seiryu5
Sun Mar 14, 2004 5:46 pm
#10

*not* respond, that is.



Korb
tacwraith
Sun Mar 14, 2004 5:53 pm
#11

sry but you are wrong. The ranger proffession is VERY solid and works very well. Camo works as it should, tracking , the only problem they have is their camps dont have their automated defenses enabled, but the camps do everything else they are set to do. Traps work as they should, so does their terrain neg, creature knowledge and creature to hit bonuses.

Now, that the ranger profession is not suited to pvp or not largely suited to PVE in general (face it, nobody needs a ranger unless you're a BE that needs to DNA sample stuff in hot places or someone who needs to find a very, very specific creature or player.. and those cases are rare thanks to the spawning of cities everywhere and the fact that creatures have practically static spawn points where you know you can always find one plus the vehicles make the job even easier) is another matter. Rangers work as intended minus the camp defenses thats about it. Commando doesnt work at all because not even the devs care about defining what a commando is intended to do AND they cave in to the whining masses.

TH is a perfect example of that. His now world famous commando vs commando flamethrower test he made after a massive flamethrower whinefest thread in the defunct general discussions forums is the best proof there is. Not only that he went ahead and pushed for flamer nerfs, the fire blanket, etc.

Arse lickers and whinefests. all they listen to. No matter how many times they come here and say 'we dont listen to whines' and add a couple of paragraphs about the 'paradigm' they face with the game and how overloaded they are with work..you know, giving riflemen better heavy weapons than ours and planning how many more lipstick colors they can give the image designers... the facts are the facts and they are proven by their actions. They nerfed commando based on whines of others. That is the fact.

Talk is cheap and SOE talks a lot. But does nothing. Unless you whine like hell of course.




'Foolish boy. Don't you know anything about Fantasia? It's the world of human fantasy. Every part, every creature of it, is a piece of the dreams and hopes of mankind. Therefor, it has no boundaries.'
'But why is Fantasia dying then?'
'Because people have begun to loose their hopes and forget their dreams. So the nothing grows stronger. It's the emptiness that's left. It's like a despair, destroying this world. And I have been trying to help it.'
'But why?'
'Because people who have no hopes are easy to control. And whoever has control has the power'
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Seiryu5
Sun Mar 14, 2004 5:58 pm
#12

Sure the ranger profession is working as intended, but it is still basically useless unless you have one standing at the krayt POI usnig area track to find you the next krayt spawn. They still are one of the best communities, when I was a ranger I loved reading their threads...they had constructive criticism, which you don't find many places. Broken or not, ranger doesn't come close to the usefulness of the flamethrower or launcher pistol if you have some pistoleer. But there is still a wide gap in the quality of each forums' posts.



Korb
TechnoHic
Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:48 pm
#13

Actually now when I look at it, I just dont like to get people all stirred up, not that they are whining, just they dont need anymore to frustrate them the way I am getting more frustreated so I just dont post on things that get me that way but I dont know if I call it whining.


Maybe theres diferent definitions of whining, but a lot of what I see is just pointing out our several flaws, and most have constructive ways of fixing them, it just seems after a while it gets redundant to where its frustrating and then some of us lose our nerve, even me, but thats just because we are broken so badly.


Rangers maybe useless, I dunno, but Im sure they work ok. I know a few people that have fun with it PvE, and thats what its supposed to be used for is PvE. Maybe for PvP they could make it to where camo actually helped against PC players but certainly they dont have enough messing with them to make them as frustrated as several of us are.


BHs are also frustrated because, while not quite as broken as us, they spend a god amount of skill points and are still broken in many ways.


The important part is we try to stay calm, but we must deliver our feedback as to what is wrong with our profession. If someone flies off the handle sometimes, your going to have that. I see you are at 81 posts. Now, not to call you noob or anything like that, I just want to say, when you get up to around 700 or in some cases, thousands of posts, some of these guys have made those thousands of posts fighting for commado and may be the only reason commando is even useable at that point and deserve a chance to be overlooked when they fly off the handle.





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