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Thread: Is commando the way to go with unlocking fs trees?
Message Edited by swabbster on 12-29-2004 08:03 PM
TKA-MC wrote:
/applaud Minirova!
I am glad that you called out those other fellow's for flaming the way they did, glad to see there are Mature Adult's posting in this Forum still.
I agree...Just because people may use their character in ways that others don't agree with, that doesn't mean they should be flamed...For all we know the Devs PURPOSEFULLY allowed things to work they way they do with our Grenades (encouraging folks to try out Commando)...
Personally It's my opinion that the FS Exchange rate system is flawed and when the Devs decide to "fix" things I hope they make the "appropriate fixes" and not hurt us internally, but time will tell...But in the mean time, how other's play their characters, as long as they aren't exploiting, is their business and while we are all allowed to express our opinions, I'd ask that you try and not to flame or get personal...You can say you don't agree with out they are doing things withing calling someone an idiot...
The bright side of this whole thing is that more people are getting a taste of our pain...They are seeing how flawed our Grenades are (I get many daily PM's from folks new to the Commando profession asking if theirs away around killing themselves with their own grenades...when I tell them of our pain, we gain more supporters for fixing us)...So while some may dislike FS dabblers or think they are just trying to take the "easy road", try to see if from the other side...the more people that see how screwed up our grenades are, the more likely we'll get some Dev love...That's why I don't discourage the FS Dabblers and I encourage them in gaining a taste of our pain...
Zade_Taerin wrote:
While I can see your point I need to make an arguement in the other direction. The more usefull a grenade is in it's useage for another means outside of "Commando Specific", ie. FS Grinding, the greater then chance of it being seen as a "flaw" and further restricted in it's usefullness. The grenades to the commando community are useless tools that are broken and flawed (why the heck can a CM chuck Poisons and Medicines in a Flask with close to 100% accuracy to unreasonable ranges when we can even hit with a grenade at 10m?). While they will receive attention in the CU this is a long way down the path. Grenades are receiving positive attention as tools of the FS grind. I'd rather see that they receive proper attention in a possible increase to range and damage potential. This won't particularly happen if it goes towards benefitting the FS grind.
I'm not one to typically rant or be negative. However when there is a constant deluge of FS XP and Grenade questions it does get somewhat grating. Especially considering that as a loyal Commando limited attention has been paid to fixing our profession of the "one-burn pony". This in no way reflects on your ability as a Correspondent, Garvin is the best in all of the communities. It's just the fact of the profession.
The arguement against that is that the game is designed to make elements outside one's choosen profession "useful" to encourage them to "dabble"...Commandos often take up Pistoleer or Smuggler for more pistol abilities...We often dabble medic for healing abilities...etc...We are all dabblers in this game in some area...
Right now the biggest issue is that Combat XP FS Exchange rate makes our Grenades very desirable thanks to the bonus combat xp they grant (which is because we also have a higher Combat XP requirement and a lower cap on our per kill xp totals)...Some have suggested this may lead to a NERF to our grenade XP, but as I've (and others) have pointed out, changing the XP totals or type of our grenades will have a nasty cascading effect and the Devs may actually take the easier way (if pushed) of just removing Combat XP from the FS XP exchange system...Either way, I can say with 95% certainty that this issue won't likely even be addressed by the Devs until after the CU (or possibly during which means it won't be live for several months and we'll have time to discuss it on the sandboxtest servers).
So the idea of making something appear more "useful" via another profession IS a good thing...it's exactly what the devs are going for in the way things are set up...and if, by making our grenades more useful, others inturn gain more sympathy for our profession, all the better...besides...we all spend the same amount of skill points to get to Novice Commando...so how they dabble, what they dabble, and what they do with what they get is up to their personal preference, just like I dabble slightly into Medic just get Stim B's...If I knew of a certain tree in a certain profession that I knew would help me with a part of the game, or in reality, help create a more enjoyable experience for me in this game, absolutely would I dabble in that direction...even if it was only temporary...the key is that I want my money spent to equal the enjoyment coming back...
Message Edited by garvin on 12-30-2004 09:38 AM
a- i dont see flames in here
b- is the grenade fs issue discussed all over the borards and (no offense mr. original poster)
-- dozens of posts about how it works are spread , so why new ones every 3 days (or so)
whatever, im typing too much today lol
cheers,
Azag
Azagthoth23 wrote:
your all right in some way, sure BUT :
a- i dont see flames in here
b- is the grenade fs issue discussed all over the borards and (no offense mr. original poster)
-- dozens of posts about how it works are spread , so why new ones every 3 days (or so)
whatever, im typing too much today lol
cheers,
Azag
One poster stated "people like you make me sick"...to me that is approaching flame status as it can be seen a personal attack and wasn't really called for...A better response would have been something like "Personally I don't agree with the route you are taking" or "Personally I'm against using grenades in that way"...
As for being discussed all over...your right, it's discussed quite a bit in the Force Sensetive forum, but Grenades have always been and always will be a "Commando Tool" and therefore it makes perfect sense to come to the Commando forum as one of your first stops to find info on the subject when you have Grenade related questions...not everyone knows that the Jedi forum has spawned a Force Sensitive forum spin off, and things move kinda fast in the Jedi forum to find info on that specific topic easily...If I had a question about using Rifleman to grind my FS XP, I'd likely go ask about peoples thoughts in the Rifleman forum rather then the Force Sensetive or Jedi forums...
Questions will always get repeated...Some people will try and search for the answers first and some will see an inviting forum like ours and figure the community won't mind their question...A lot of folks believe we Commandos have the most friendly community out there and I'd like to keep it that way...that's why I don't mind repeating myself over various posts...if it gets to be a problem we'll sticky something at the top (I believe someone might be working on a FS via Grenades FAQ for us, but if not, if someone would like to take on that task, I'll sticky it)...
Message Edited by garvin on 12-30-2004 10:26 AM