Commando Archive
Thread: Flamethrower vs. LLC
is this with stacking DoTs? is that how u are solo killing Kimos?
how do they stack, Flame single 1 stacks with Flame cone 1, etc? and isn't this being nerfed?
being a commando i noticed a tone of things have 100% resit heat
and seems like alot lees have any resit vers elc
ok now down to the facts
llc ap1 usel maxdam 784 speed 4.3
flamer ap 0 usle max dam 838 5.1
skill mods at master for llc speed 60 ac 80
skill mods ar mater for the flamer spd45 ac 110
speciels for llc 16m max rang and litel or no delay no dot
specils for flamer 16m max rang and long delay flame dot tics every 10 sec for 500-3500(im not sure about this tho so dont flame me if im rong)
undocumented facts (but true)
llc can shoot for every 2 secs doing a avreg of 6k dam
flamer can shoot evry 8.5 sec doing 7k dam and a added 2k evry 10 sec becous of dot
so llc evry 10 sec can do a toltel of 30k dam give or take a few
a flamer every 10 sec can do a toltel of 16k dam give or take a few
now lets add the misses in (you will always miss lol)
ok a llc misses what 2/5 times so that cuts dam by down to about 24k dam evry 10 secs
a flamer misses abut 2/5 time i say this meens could be any were from9k dam to 7k dam evry 10 secs
Now ham cost
LLC about 90 to 120 action (vereys on your stats)
FLAMER 15to 22 life (vereys on your stats)
ham is avously more with llc so that cuts overall valu down to about 20k dam
famer remanes were its at
end conclusion
LLC IS BETTER
if you see some thing i meesed or you dont agree plzs post what and why
The only thing I was able to decipher was LLC IS BETTER at the end...seriously man, look into Hooked on Phonics, it'll work for you.
maddogs wrote:
being a commando i noticed a tone of things have 100% resit heat
and seems like alot lees have any resit vers elc
ok now down to the facts
llc ap1 usel maxdam 784 speed 4.3
flamer ap 0 usle max dam 838 5.1
skill mods at master for llc speed 60 ac 80
skill mods ar mater for the flamer spd45 ac 110
speciels for llc 16m max rang and litel or no delay no dot
specils for flamer 16m max rang and long delay flame dot tics every 10 sec for 500-3500(im not sure about this tho so dont flame me if im rong)
undocumented facts (but true)
llc can shoot for every 2 secs doing a avreg of 6k dam
flamer can shoot evry 8.5 sec doing 7k dam and a added 2k evry 10 sec becous of dot
so llc evry 10 sec can do a toltel of 30k dam give or take a few
a flamer every 10 sec can do a toltel of 16k dam give or take a few
now lets add the misses in (you will always miss lol)
ok a llc misses what 2/5 times so that cuts dam by down to about 24k dam evry 10 secs
a flamer misses abut 2/5 time i say this meens could be any were from9k dam to 7k dam evry 10 secs
Now ham cost
LLC about 90 to 120 action (vereys on your stats)
FLAMER 15to 22 life (vereys on your stats)
ham is avously more with llc so that cuts overall valu down to about 20k dam
famer remanes were its at
end conclusion
LLC IS BETTER
if you see some thing i meesed or you dont agree plzs post what and why
soassuming ub3r buffs or a doc in the group (neglecting ham costs) we have
- LLC .. AP1, max dmg784, speed 4.3
- specials every 2 seconds @ 6k damage
- +80 accuracy
- Random HAM
- Flamethrower.. AP0 max dmg 838, speed 5.1
- specials every 10 seconds @ 7k damage + 2k damagedot.
- +110 accuracy
- Random HAM plus Health fire dot
dont know how to calculate % accuracy from the +80 / +110, so just assume you miss 1 special in 30 seconds..
if you're fighting an AP 0 critter then
LLC ....14 hits at 6k damage = 84kthen +25% AP dmg = 105k dmg to a random HAM (35k to each on avg)
Flamethrower...2 hits at 7k + 3hits at 2k dot= 14k to a random HAM plus 6k to Health, max 20kto Health
if you're fighting an AP 1 critter then
LLC ....14 hits at 6k damage = 84kto a random HAM (28k to each attribute on avg)
Flame...2 hits at 7k +3hitsof 2k dot= 14k - 25%= 10.5kto a random HAM +6k to health = 16k max to health
did i mess up or is LLC way better after a 30 second fight? trying to be fair saying only 1 miss, butlots of times i miss 3 times in a row making my FT damage = 0 after 30 sec ![]()
Darknyte25 wrote:
The only thing I was able to decipher was LLC IS BETTER at the end...seriously man, look into Hooked on Phonics, it'll work for you.
bounty hunters are better with their heavy weapons than the heavy weapons experts int his game.
yet somehow, they still manage to muster enough audacity to complain about us.
/cry
LLC has no DOT. I've master both commando and BH. And given the fact that you have ALOT more breathing room with skill points as a commando using flamthrower.. I would take that into account. You have to master both scout and markman to even be certed for a LLC.
Now is it worth it? And sure the LLC is fast, but it also eats HAM. And with it being so fast it east HAM even faster.....
CyberData4 wrote:LLC has no DOT. I've master both commando and BH. And given the fact that you have ALOT more breathing room with skill points as a commando using flamthrower.. I would take that into account. You have to master both scout and markman to even be certed for a LLC.
Now is it worth it? And sure the LLC is fast, but it also eats HAM. And with it being so fast it east HAM even faster.....
Well, the HAM cost for the LLC may not be an issue. Just max out your secondary action stats and eat sunburn - you could spam the specials all night.
That even _almost_ works for carbineers (though they do less damage, of course).