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Thread: Flamethrower vs. LLC

Aet0s
Fri Jan 30, 2004 7:37 am
#1

i have Flame2 so far, going for Master Commando.


so is the Flamethrower at 1k dmg every 5 seconds really all that much better than an LLCfiring once per sec at 1k dmg?


tell me it gets better at master..... the specials have an 11 second delay.. only doing 3k dmg max so far, when an LLC can do 3k+ specials every, what.. 2 seconds?


i'd like to get Master Commando, but if LLC is better i might take all of commando except the flamethrower.

Hahjik
Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:06 am
#2

I just got Flame Thrower 4 last night, and i started soloing Kimo's on lok. and i saw a BH fihgitng one he was doing 2-3k per 2seconds. but with my normal shot i am doing 1k-1.5k every 1.5 seconds or so and when i put On Fire on it, it goes down quick. and they mroe speed and about the same dmg as us but they Dont have On Fire with it.
Aet0s
Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:20 am
#3

is this with stacking DoTs? is that how u are solo killing Kimos?


how do they stack, Flame single 1 stacks with Flame cone 1, etc? and isn't this being nerfed?


maddogs
Fri Jan 30, 2004 9:12 am
#4


being a commando i noticed a tone of things have 100% resit heat


and seems like alot lees have any resit vers elc


ok now down to the facts


llc ap1 usel maxdam 784 speed 4.3


flamer ap 0 usle max dam 838 5.1


skill mods at master for llc speed 60 ac 80


skill mods ar mater for the flamer spd45 ac 110


speciels for llc 16m max rang and litel or no delay no dot


specils for flamer 16m max rang and long delay flame dot tics every 10 sec for 500-3500(im not sure about this tho so dont flame me if im rong)


undocumented facts (but true)


llc can shoot for every 2 secs doing a avreg of 6k dam


flamer can shoot evry 8.5 sec doing 7k dam and a added 2k evry 10 sec becous of dot


so llc evry 10 sec can do a toltel of 30k dam give or take a few


a flamer every 10 sec can do a toltel of 16k dam give or take a few


now lets add the misses in (you will always miss lol)


ok a llc misses what 2/5 times so that cuts dam by down to about 24k dam evry 10 secs


a flamer misses abut 2/5 time i say this meens could be any were from9k dam to 7k dam evry 10 secs


Now ham cost


LLC about 90 to 120 action (vereys on your stats)


FLAMER 15to 22 life (vereys on your stats)


ham is avously more with llc so that cuts overall valu down to about 20k dam


famer remanes were its at


end conclusion


LLC IS BETTER




if you see some thing i meesed or you dont agree plzs post what and why




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Daniel' Judson-Leonheart

Darknyte25
Fri Jan 30, 2004 9:36 am
#5






maddogs wrote:


being a commando i noticed a tone of things have 100% resit heat


and seems like alot lees have any resit vers elc


ok now down to the facts


llc ap1 usel maxdam 784 speed 4.3


flamer ap 0 usle max dam 838 5.1


skill mods at master for llc speed 60 ac 80


skill mods ar mater for the flamer spd45 ac 110


speciels for llc 16m max rang and litel or no delay no dot


specils for flamer 16m max rang and long delay flame dot tics every 10 sec for 500-3500(im not sure about this tho so dont flame me if im rong)


undocumented facts (but true)


llc can shoot for every 2 secs doing a avreg of 6k dam


flamer can shoot evry 8.5 sec doing 7k dam and a added 2k evry 10 sec becous of dot


so llc evry 10 sec can do a toltel of 30k dam give or take a few


a flamer every 10 sec can do a toltel of 16k dam give or take a few


now lets add the misses in (you will always miss lol)


ok a llc misses what 2/5 times so that cuts dam by down to about 24k dam evry 10 secs


a flamer misses abut 2/5 time i say this meens could be any were from9k dam to 7k dam evry 10 secs


Now ham cost


LLC about 90 to 120 action (vereys on your stats)


FLAMER 15to 22 life (vereys on your stats)


ham is avously more with llc so that cuts overall valu down to about 20k dam


famer remanes were its at


end conclusion


LLC IS BETTER




if you see some thing i meesed or you dont agree plzs post what and why





The only thing I was able to decipher was LLC IS BETTER at the end...seriously man, look into Hooked on Phonics, it'll work for you.




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Davrow
Fri Jan 30, 2004 10:06 am
#6

My god man!!! Use the spell check!!! Please!!!



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Aet0s
Fri Jan 30, 2004 10:09 am
#7

soassuming ub3r buffs or a doc in the group (neglecting ham costs) we have



  • LLC .. AP1, max dmg784, speed 4.3

  • specials every 2 seconds @ 6k damage

  • +80 accuracy

  • Random HAM



  • Flamethrower.. AP0 max dmg 838, speed 5.1

  • specials every 10 seconds @ 7k damage + 2k damagedot.

  • +110 accuracy

  • Random HAM plus Health fire dot


dont know how to calculate % accuracy from the +80 / +110, so just assume you miss 1 special in 30 seconds..


if you're fighting an AP 0 critter then


LLC ....14 hits at 6k damage = 84kthen +25% AP dmg = 105k dmg to a random HAM (35k to each on avg)


Flamethrower...2 hits at 7k + 3hits at 2k dot= 14k to a random HAM plus 6k to Health, max 20kto Health



if you're fighting an AP 1 critter then


LLC ....14 hits at 6k damage = 84kto a random HAM (28k to each attribute on avg)


Flame...2 hits at 7k +3hitsof 2k dot= 14k - 25%= 10.5kto a random HAM +6k to health = 16k max to health




did i mess up or is LLC way better after a 30 second fight? trying to be fair saying only 1 miss, butlots of times i miss 3 times in a row making my FT damage = 0 after 30 sec


RankorCity
Fri Jan 30, 2004 12:18 pm
#8








Darknyte25 wrote:


The only thing I was able to decipher was LLC IS BETTER at the end...seriously man, look into Hooked on Phonics, it'll work for you.








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zenixoda
Fri Jan 30, 2004 12:38 pm
#9

dont piss him off after all he is a maddog


good job





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Fondler
Fri Jan 30, 2004 11:24 pm
#10

yes my friend, what you understand is correct...

bounty hunters are better with their heavy weapons than the heavy weapons experts int his game.

yet somehow, they still manage to muster enough audacity to complain about us.

/cry



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CyberData4
Fri Jan 30, 2004 11:30 pm
#11

LLC has no DOT. I've master both commando and BH. And given the fact that you have ALOT more breathing room with skill points as a commando using flamthrower.. I would take that into account. You have to master both scout and markman to even be certed for a LLC.



Now is it worth it? And sure the LLC is fast, but it also eats HAM. And with it being so fast it east HAM even faster.....


Tob
Sat Jan 31, 2004 11:10 am
#12



CyberData4 wrote:

LLC has no DOT. I've master both commando and BH. And given the fact that you have ALOT more breathing room with skill points as a commando using flamthrower.. I would take that into account. You have to master both scout and markman to even be certed for a LLC.

Now is it worth it? And sure the LLC is fast, but it also eats HAM. And with it being so fast it east HAM even faster.....






Well, the HAM cost for the LLC may not be an issue. Just max out your secondary action stats and eat sunburn - you could spam the specials all night.

That even _almost_ works for carbineers (though they do less damage, of course).
maddogs
Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:54 pm
#13

ham cost on llc is nothing a BOH and some rychat make no ham


as i have sed many time befor i can fix ham but i cant fix lac of dam


llc hasdps were the flamer dont

and with next pach the flamer even will be wors then it is now on dps



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