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Thread: WOW I Mean WOW!

Skeptic666
Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:53 am
#1


yay a another double post

Message Edited by Skeptic666 on 06-23-2004 08:51 AM



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Ster
Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:28 am
#2






Skeptic666 wrote:


wow check out this forum


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=combat_medic&message.id=35335


this just says that the cms will not get a 75% reduction but instead the smuglars are getting a Spice for poison mitigation or something. What the heck is up with that






It is basically a fire blanket, but without the need of a doctor around. At least I thought you needed a doctor to administer it...



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cloudshaper
Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:41 am
#3

yay!!



cloudshaper
garvin
Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:42 am
#4

Now I'm going to sound like a Dev, but "Wait for the Combat Balance"...yuck yuck yuck...you made me say it...ugggh!!!!


The CB will effect Combat Medics along with all other Combat Professions...how they are, and for that matter, how we are, is not how we will all be after the Combat Balance...it's then, after the CB, that every profession will need to be looked at for being "over" or "under" powered...


The Devs know that CM's are a source of many issues with non-CM players...it's the same when everyone thought we were over-powered and were screaming bloody NERF...


The CB will probably be a NERF for some and a positive change for others...I can't see us getting much worse then our profession is at now (only way is if they nerf the FT further without fixing anything else) so I only see the CB as a postive thing for us...we should come out of it better then we are now...


Remember also that HAM, Defenses, Accuracy, Speed, etc will change they way they are effected and the way they effect others during combat...Since a CM's poison and desease attacks target HAM and are effected by defenses, things will be definitely different post CB in some fashion (whether for better or worse)...


So really...anytime of complaints at this point is just a lot of hot air unfortunately and an invitation for a Dev to fire back with "Wait for the Combat Balance"...



Garvin Lansdowne
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Evelas
Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:52 am
#5

Garvin, you need a vaccation. That sounded way too much like the Devs we so want to massacre.



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ghola_flurry
Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:57 am
#6

Why would they alter the CM damage in the Jedi update?

Oh and Garvin re: Us not getting any worse. Please, hold your tongue lest the devs implement /stopdroproll on us!



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garvin
Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:00 am
#7






Evelas wrote:

Garvin, you need a vaccation. That sounded way too much like the Devs we so want to massacre.







Your probably right...I need to do a good public rant...lol...most of mine lately have been over in the private Correspondent Forum...


I just know that any Combat complaint or suggestion pre-CB will be met with "Wait for the Combat Balance"...


So I've set myself to wait for the CB when it comes to my ranting...if it doesn't live up to the expectations the Devs have set, then the rants will resume even more loudly then before...problem is, I see no sense it being upset with any Combat profession currently since all well be effected by the CB...


It's like complaining you are hungry now when dinner is just an hour away...sure, you'll have to suffer for a bit, but in an hour you MAY be full and happy...OR...you MAY be still hungry and wanting more...it all depends on what dinner actually consists of I guess...and until we know what we are getting for dinner, it seems pointless to sit and whine how hungry we are or how CM's are less hungry then us (that they should be made to be more hungry by taking away that box of crackers in their pocket)....


This doesn't mean I've stopped fighting for improvements and fixes...I don't see the CB as the Answer to everything...I think our Grenades, Rocket Launcher and other issues on our Top5 should be addressed long before the CB or at least confirmed fixed via the CB....

Message Edited by garvin on 06-23-2004 11:06 AM



Garvin Lansdowne
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Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

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Yoda2397
Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:20 pm
#8

The problem is that "dinner" is NOT just an hour away, it's the equivalent of several days in this metaphor... I can't believe that we (all combat professions) are put on the back burner for months while SOE devotes all its resources to a prof that is supposed to be RARE... CB will "feed" more people, shouldn't that be a priority???





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XearoPhaktor
Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:40 pm
#9






Yoda2397 wrote:

The problem is that "dinner" is NOT just an hour away, it's the equivalent of several days in this metaphor... I can't believe that we (all combat professions) are put on the back burner for months while SOE devotes all its resources to a prof that is supposed to be RARE... CB will "feed" more people, shouldn't that be a priority???









Seriously, the devs are spending all their time catering to the 1%, and leave the majority to wallow in bugs while they take forever on jedi.




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Skeptic666
Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:40 pm
#10

why did they not leave commando alone and say wait for the Revamp for us?



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garvin
Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:44 pm
#11






Yoda2397 wrote:

The problem is that "dinner" is NOT just an hour away, it's the equivalent of several days in this metaphor... I can't believe that we (all combat professions) are put on the back burner for months while SOE devotes all its resources to a prof that is supposed to be RARE... CB will "feed" more people, shouldn't that be a priority???







Ahh...but your example highlights the EXACT reason why the Jedi revamp came first in my mind....The CB was started long before the Jedi Revamp and they haven't stopped working on it even during the Jedi Revamp...They've spent far more time working on the CB then the Jedi revamp...the Jedi Revamp is going live first and is their main focus so that, once again, after it's complete and they can mark that off their list of things to do, they can point their full attention back to the CB...


The Jedi revamp impacts a small group...so it needs less time to complete then a change that effects many groups...


PLUS, the jedi revamp impacts all professions with the addition of Force Sensitivity that can be used by any profession as they exist now...They need to get this Force Sensitivity into the system prior to rebalancing the way Combat works rather then throw off all their hard work by introducing a major combat enhancement after combat has been rebalanced.


Would you rather the devs give an uber weapon to a profession, then balance it via the Combat Balance, or do the Combat Balance first, then give that profession the uber weapon? Which makes more sense?


In this case, the Jedi Revamp HAD to come before the Combat Rebalance...so it too could be balanced properly with other professions when the Combat Testing begins...





Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

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Ster
Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:50 pm
#12


The Jedi revamp impacts a small group...so it needs less time to complete then a change that effects many groups...


If this was the case, then why spend two full publishes on it?



In this case, the Jedi Revamp HAD to come before the Combat Rebalance...so it too could be balanced properly with other professions when the Combat Testing begins...


That I might believe. Still, there are so many other people playing the other professions (*cough* Commando) who have been waiting since launch for mulitple fixes. But a profession that has one of the lowest populations in the game and has only been out for a couple of months get first priority. The Jedis said jump and the DEVs said how high...

Message Edited by Ster on 06-23-2004 02:03 PM



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garvin
Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:07 pm
#13






Ster wrote:

The Jedi revamp impacts a small group...so it needs less time to complete then a change that effects many groups...


If this was the case, then why spend two full publishes on it?





Which seems longer...


Publish 9 + 10


Or...


Publish 5, 6, 7...all they way up to Publish 11? The CB impacts a larger group and therefore they've spent a larger amount of time comparatively...


The work on the Combat Balance never stopped...it started with 3 full publishes but was delayed to set up a testing environment....during that time it was retooled and the ideas for the Jedi Revamp came to light (which meant that the CB had to be retooled again to fit witht he Jedi Revamp)...


The Jedi revamp specifically targets a small group directly...but it effects EVERYONE...Everyone can become force sensitive without becoming a full Jedi...the revamp mainly effects the Jedi player, the way they unlock, they way they progress, even their weapons and specials...it all changes...


But the Jedi Revamp doesn't take anything away from other professions...instead it gives to them by allowing force sensitive "enhancers" to be added...There are survey enhances, crafting enhancers, accuracy bonuses, etc...And these "enhancers" need to fit in with the goals of the Combat Rebalance...so, at least to me, it makes sense to add them in prior to the CB going live rather then NERF something later as a result..





Garvin Lansdowne
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Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

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