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Svenskiller

Thu May 20, 2004 3:40 pm

So, flame blankets were introduced because there was one planet with scarce water, so folks could not douse the flames. SOE has, in one fell swoop, disemboweled the usefulness of a commando in PvP.

Commando specials are very short range. To get one off, you have to be on top of your target. With today's emphasis on combat medics and riflemen, the majority of PvP takes place at range. So, you need to wade well into the range of everyone else before you can use the only really useful weapon we have -- the flamethrower. Once you get your special off, you need to get the heck out of Dodge before you are poisoned/diseased/mindshot to hell. Either that or resign yourself to being a kamikazi.

Before flameblankets, we could at least count on putting a DOT on someone before we either got chopped up or pulled back far enough for our docs to remove all those nasty combat medic effects. Now, the flameblankets put out the flames before they can tick a single time. Combine this with 80% plus heat resists on armor and and long timer before we can shoot again, and why the heck are we still here?

SOE fails to understand the fact that the commando's only decent weapon is the flamethrower, and that allowing someone to cancel its effects before they even take effect makes us ineffective. For gosh sakes, combat medics have better damage, longer range and more varieties of HAM targets than we have by far, and we are "heavy weapons" specialists? I guess "heavy" relates to weight and not damage or usefulness.

I have been a commando for a LONG time, and have adjusted my tactics to every change in the game. However, I am a commando trapped in a rifleman/combat medic world, and am not liking it. If I am going to have to get within 15-18m of my target before I can use any specials, at least make it worth it for me to.

Remove flame blankets, or reduce their effectiveness. I am trying to justify keeping commando myself, and for a PvP oriented player, the denial is getting thick.

garvin

Thu May 20, 2004 3:46 pm

#2

Unless SWG changed something recently that I don't know about, using a flame blanket requires 65 med use...so really only a Doctor (or a hybridtemplate with Doctor)can use these blankets...they can of course use on a grouped friend to dose a DoT or on themselves, but it's rare that you should see someone using one on themselves unless you are fighting a Doctor template...

Plus using a Flame Blanket is suppose to drain the mind...so when they use one, it's like the Commando did a mind attack on the Doctor...

Personally, my opinion is that with the Med Use level and the Mind Drain, these blanket are more trouble then helpful for our opponents...so because of that I have no issue with them...

Message Edited by garvin on 05-20-2004 04:03 PM

Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie
Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith
ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

Skeptic666

Thu May 20, 2004 4:07 pm

#3

If they have a good mind buff it does not do to much from what ive seen. But I totaly agree. I stoped being able to justify being a commando weeks ago. But alas I am a commando at heart so instead of moving to the FOTM I just moved on to another game to keep my self sain (and save money on going out 4 timesa week). I will be back in like october or when ever the SE and CB comes out. But untill then its hard to justify the points and cost of our wepons behind the damage that we do not do any more with our wepons. I got very sick of walking up to a TK Flame II hitting them with there comp armor and doing like 135 dots but I usualy only seen the first dot becuase im on my back getting head hit or Unarmed 3 spammed or what not heheh. I hear ya and I dont know what to say. More and more of us each day are having a hard time justifying our profession.

Be well my brotheren, Our day will come im sure (the day before the game gets canned) so buck up. We have seen the dark we have been pushed and beat down to being the laughing joke of this game. But Its always darkest before the dawn and stuff. Lets hope that they can not do any thing else to make us angry or even less usefull. I dont think they can right now but hey what do I know hehe. I just hope that they soon will fix every thing and I we will see some love and we will say hey im glad to be a commando and we will wear our Master Commando Tags with honor again.

O ya Rock on Garvin Keep up the awesome work. I feel your pretty much the only hope we have because you work while all we here is wait for the cb. ROCK ON MAN! IGNITE THOSE FLAMES! TUN UP THE HEAT! LET THEM FEEL OUR DISCONTENT.

Yes I know caps was on I was on a roll hehe

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BravenIrish

Thu May 20, 2004 4:11 pm

#4

Garvin's actually right.

Prior to the release of Flame Blankets..there was a HUGE panic here. Some of us assumed that anyone could use them, but it turns out that only Docs can and at a nice mind expence. Most of the time they are either a non-factor or an actual advantage [for a group with a Commando] during group PVP. Trust me, Docs like thier mind a bit more then someone running around on fire (especially now with heat resists and our reduced DOT),AND if there'sa Rifleman or any mind bleeder in the opposing group...forget about seeing a silver blankie appearing anytime soon.

Non-factor...give them thier cake!

Slainte'

§BravenIrish§
Loyal Commando for 18 months
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Honored member of Sandbox: Team Commando
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thiostan

Thu May 20, 2004 4:42 pm

#5

I'm kinda inclinded to agree with Skeptic666 in that I like commando but right now I feel very useless. If I play at all, it is with a novice rifleman on another server. I don't play nearly as much as I used to tho. I don't see anything worthwhile happening to commando. Lots of empty promises. Hopefully I'm wrong. I'm not going to worry about it.

I just get that feeling that I'm useless at ranges further than 17m. I'm trying to wait patiently for the CB (akin to Vaporware in my mind). I still think we will get the short end of the rope when the CB comes out.

<shrug> Just thinking about it makes me want to go play another game. . . .

Skeptic666

Thu May 20, 2004 5:32 pm

#6

hehe come over to City of heros Server Justice

Ya it sounds pretty stupid but its pretty fun

heheh thats what im doing untill october when the SE and CB come out

Its just not worth getting mad any more at a game ya know? I've seen how we were and I loved it. Then they changed it. Now I see how we are and I despise it. And peopel all the time say well try a new profession. I am born and raised commando ya know. When you have that BOOM running through your veins. But alas ive found venting my anger does nothing but frustrate garvin hehehe. So im not realy mad any more but I still tell it how it is.

Love for my brothers (and sisters what few ive seen) Let us all set the Galaxies on fire. HEHEH. Actualy Im thinking of getting a few commandos together on a server and go and mass PVP with our LP with good buffs and COmp armor in Coronet and Theed.

))

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KnightHawk420

Thu May 20, 2004 7:05 pm

#7

Heres reality......

Out of 10 guild doctors, only one of us carries flame blankets (and only because I'm **edit**).

Commandos have far worse problems facing them than the fact doctors have blankets. Players actually need a reason to want to have a blanket used on them in the first place.

Cheylin Mena - R.I.P.
Menon Mena - R.I.P.
Hunglo Bavmador - R.I.P.

Space_Gunny

Thu May 20, 2004 11:06 pm

#8

I hate to jump on the DEVs Combat rebalance train but they have said they will address issues such as this in that rebalance. Personally i do not do much PVP for just that reason. TKA/Commando = death in PVP unless you get lucky enough to sneak up on someone.

Hopefully they do a good job of tweaking the way specials and HAM works to eliminate the ability to spam specials such as Mind Shot.

Eeten Keth-ITEC (Creature Handler/Rifleman)
Agen Kolar-ITEC (Shipwright/Weaponsmith)
Kurran Bekar-ITEC (Doctor/TKA)
Raien Keth- ITEC (Dancer/Musician/Tailor)
Khaemir Sarin- ITEC (Swordsman/TK/Fencer)

Skeptic666

Fri May 21, 2004 7:23 am

#9

was thata burn that our dots suck?

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RJSmokeX

Fri May 21, 2004 9:43 am

#10

yeah, i think it was...and ya know what? he's right. the flame DoT in PVP is a total joke now. with the exception of wacking an unsuspecting target (i.e. no armor/unbuffed) the DoT is countered by buffs, good armor, blankets (even if they are rare).

here's my idea - Pre-nerff flame DoT damage in a world of buffs,blankets,good armor. I could have been shot in the head to many times, but that seems really balanced to me... If there were poopie armor, and no blanket maybe the current DoT would actually incap the majority of the time...but as it stands it really doesn't.

The combat world has changed since people were flame dabbling and getting us in trouble. If there were a DoT nerff and no blankets, or no DoT nerff and blankets, i think we could still be ok. The only problem is as i just said: PVP is no longer the Flame tree dablers, but we got wacked anyway...

But thats just my take on the situation, and what do i know? i stopped paying for my Master commando almost three months ago.

bahhh

Elhimac

Sat May 22, 2004 5:59 am

#11

Yup, we basically have to wait for the combat revamp, which has been in the works since, what, november ?

Feelixx

Sun May 23, 2004 5:12 pm

#12

I agree - this makes no sense at all. Especially after they ripped out he guts on Flamethrowers and reduced the damage they do by an incredible amount.

Commando was my starting goal, and I have kept it since I made Master. I refused to holo-grind because Master Commando was the vision that I had for my main character from before the start. Even now - I can't bring myself to change class. I keep hoping that some Dev will wake up and smell the coffee. I keep hoping that maybe they hire someone as a Military consultant and put a little bit of reality into a continually devolving combat system. FOR GOD SAKE - stop making the Commandoes Nuetered "Barbie Dolls".

I can appreciate that there needs to be balance, and that there are technical issues, but what has been going on is ridiculous. Commando was a joke at the start - our weapons did not work, then we got a glimmer of hope - we had flamethrowers that worked. Now we can't hit a damn thing with grenades (but cm's can hit anything with their "grenades") our flamethrowers have been dummed down (and fireblankets kill any usefullness) rifleman can take out an AT-ST faster than a commando w/ heavy weapons....... it goes on and on.

Why not just remove commando from the game completely? Be easier on the poor overworked devs..... it would remove tons of frustration of trying to make it with a useless profession...... and it would save all of us commandoes from the next combat update (if it ever shows on time cause Lord knows we needed the Deathwatch bunker before game mechanics are worked out) and what is sure to be the complete oversight, or furhter nullification of the profession.

Feelixx Asbjorn
Master Commando / Master Rifleman

garvin

Sun May 23, 2004 9:00 pm

#13

Repost from other Fire Blanket Thread:

Unless SWG changed something recently that I don't know about, using a flame blanket requires 65 med use...so really only a Doctor (or a hybridtemplate with Doctor)can use these blankets...they can of course use on a grouped friend to dose a DoT or on themselves, but it's rare that you should see someone using one on themselves unless you are fighting a Doctor template...

Plus using a Flame Blanket is suppose to drain the mind...so when they use one, it's like the Commando did a mind attack on the Doctor...

Personally, my opinion is that with the Med Use level and the Mind Drain, these blanket are more trouble then helpful for our opponents...so because of that I have no issue with them...

Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie
Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith
ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

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