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Thread: UNLOCK NEW CLASS SOLDIER
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BH001
Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:42 pm
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what would a commando think if you were to do a quest to unlock a mandalore type soldier class?
nuetral so neither side was too strong also "soldier" would be opposed to reb/imp this soldier would be the gcw wild card
the only combat equal would be jedi knight to balance the JEDI vs NON-JEDI struggle
the mercenary "soldier" could do missions on jedi of any faction reb or imp
with improved skills in combat and a defense line consisting of jet-pack (defensive)or rocket-pack (offensive)
the soldier could craft his own grenades,gadgets,missiles/warheads, but could not trade or sell them like jedi with lightsabers
with an assortment of skills to choose from to be as varied as the player so no two soldiers are alike.
swg should use this quest class to explore the uncharted territory of the mysterious mandalore for those who have no desire to go jedi.
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Kyodor
Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:31 pm
#2
This sounds too much like a BH carrying a Flamethrower and grenades. No. Commando should not be a BH with a Flamethrower instead of a LLC. BH hunts Jedi. Commando blows stuff up.
BH001 wrote:
what would a commando think if you were to do a quest to unlock a mandalore type soldier class?
They'd feel like Jedi.
nuetral so neither side was too strong also "soldier" would be opposed to reb/imp this soldier would be the gcw wild card
Like a BH....
the only combat equal would be jedi knight to balance the JEDI vs NON-JEDI struggle
Like what BH was supposed to be...
the mercenary "soldier" could do missions on jedi of any faction reb or imp
Like a BH....
with improved skills in combat and a defense line consisting of jet-pack (defensive)or rocket-pack (offensive)
Like a BH....
the soldier could craft his own grenades,gadgets,missiles/warheads, but could not trade or sell them like jedi with lightsabers
Grenades - WS. Warheads - WS. WS makes weapons. Not other people.
with an assortment of skills to choose from to be as varied as the player so no two soldiers are alike.
Too much work to implement
swg should use this quest class to explore the uncharted territory of the mysterious mandalore for those who have no desire to go jedi.
Wouldn't be mysterious if everyone grinds to get it..
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StarNick
Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:01 pm
#3
BH001 wrote:
what would a commando think if you were to do a quest to unlock a mandalore type soldier class?
They'd feel like Jedi.
Actually no....cuz they dont have LS nor Force powers, they rely on uber equipment and tactical knowhow.
nuetral so neither side was too strong also "soldier" would be opposed to reb/imp this soldier would be the gcw wild card
Like a BH....
*Cant Stop Laughing* BH isnt the GCW wild card....its not even a wild card at all
the only combat equal would be jedi knight to balance the JEDI vs NON-JEDI struggle
Like what BH was supposed to be...
Have you noticed that BH cant take on Jedi alone? They must hunt Jedi in groups...a Mandalorian could take a jedi on its own...remember, we must not be balanced verse the jedi....they must be at a disadvantage, as they are renegades in this time period as well as rare....atm they're stronger then us....as a whole, the non-jedi must have advantage over the jedi....BH should be able to take on Jedi...but they cant....maybe the Mandalorian Warrior combines the aspects of both Commando and BH....Boba Fett wasnt the greatest BH in the galaxy by just mastering BH....
the mercenary "soldier" could do missions on jedi of any faction reb or imp
Like a BH....
Having a second class...of which a BH can aspire to become (or a commando as well) that can hunt Jedi...even better...would be cool
with improved skills in combat and a defense line consisting of jet-pack (defensive)or rocket-pack (offensive)
Like a BH....
Umm...Jetpacks can be used by all...both statements I dislike....the Mandalorian should have better skills with it (the jetpack) and ranged combat skills that can either outmatch or match Jedi melee skills (and ranged skills hehe)...possibly also some mando melee too
the soldier could craft his own grenades,gadgets,missiles/warheads, but could not trade or sell them like jedi with lightsabers
Grenades - WS. Warheads - WS. WS makes weapons. Not other people.
I dislike both statements....first, commandos were to craft their own weapons, so i dont like your statement....and the first statement i dislike as Mandalorians were warriors...
with an assortment of skills to choose from to be as varied as the player so no two soldiers are alike.
Too much work to implement
Sad. Dont shut down this idea cuz it'll be too much work, Never EVER do that. After JTL the dev team will become stronger and we may see stuff like this
swg should use this quest class to explore the uncharted territory of the mysterious mandalore for those who have no desire to go jedi.
Wouldn't be mysterious if everyone grinds to get it..
Then Make it Commando/BH only and as Hard as the jedi Grind (or less as hard), either that or have it as a very mysterious path..random for every1...like how jedi once was, but not the same in implenation (quests different for everyone..Dynamic, random etc)
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This sounds too much like a BH carrying a Flamethrower and grenades. No. Commando should not be a BH with a Flamethrower instead of a LLC. BH hunts Jedi. Commando blows stuff up.
Again i dislike the statement, BH Hunts bounties...so it can hunt Jedi...Mandalorians could be an evolved Jedi Hunter....and Commandos originally blew stuff up....atm we dont have a purpose...and most ppl want commandos to be similiar to the mandalorians on a reduced scale....Repeater Rifles, Particle Cannons, Big Lasers...E-webs...not a Flamethrower trooper with a rocket launcher solely
Edit: Btw....a MW would be an evolved form of MC and BH...most likely needing skills from both trees...combing the two to make the ultimate Jedi Killer....it wouldnt be a Commando with Flamer Hunting Jedi...cuz it wouldnt be commando at all...but an Elite Hybrid that needs to be unlocked
Message Edited by StarNick on 08-15-2004 07:41 PM
BH001
Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:21 pm
#4
kyodor thanks for taking the time to respond to what i thought was an excellent idea for an alternate unlockable character.as you may have noticed there were alot of similarities with the new class soldier and bounty hunter.you have also observed that many of the descriptions for this new class were bh oriented clearly showing that bh is not where it is supposed to be with the various...like a bh, like a bh ,like a bh.
so allow me to speak about the mandalore if you will.the mandalore was the only group to threaten galaxies by their occupation of soldier
they did blow stuff up and when they became lost/stranded became mercs.which is why bh,commando,ranger,squad leader are the only ones who can wear mandalore armor in the game. bh have speed, commando have strength, ranger has outdoor survival/tracking, squad leader has leadership.
put these four together and you now have a psuedo mandalore squad without being "mandalore" the various skills would compliment eachother in combat if anyone ever discovered this.the alternative option of a different kind of quest is for those who dont want to play yet another jedi in yet another star wars game.
weaponsmiths are not the only weaponmakers in the game,you have scouts and rangerswho can make traps for creatures,and jedi who can make lightsabers.the ability for a soldier to make his own weapons would be an elite-elite function that only the quester could perform because the soldier has a working knowledge of what makes his tools go BOOM.i am certain that a person with the essential ingredients can make any form of weapon if they had the materials at their disposal like say a commando or a navy seal,or other elite soldier in real.
i would rather grind a quest to a new class than hop on the band-wagon to jedi when i can play a jedi on 32 other games for the xbox,ps2 with the push of a button and have instant jedi.
funny you should mention that thisincredibly freshidea in gamingis a bh with a flamethrower and grenades because this is my current skill set i dropped grenades earlier to pickup flamethrower
bh4004
commando 0030 love that low ham flamethrower compared to llc
tkm
what happens when we all become jedi masters?
StarNick
Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:39 pm
#5
My eyes...paragraphs pls!!! 
Btw I see out of your idea for a Mandalorian Warrior as an Advanced BH....
Lets face it, most Bounty Hunters cant stand up to Jedi..ingame NOR in the movies...it took the most skilled....like the Fett's...who are rumored to be...Mandalorian!
I see this idea as the next step up...BH is the bounty hunter/jedi hunter....the MW is the Jedi Annahilator...(a step up wouldnt you say?)
BH001
Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:44 pm
#6
star nick thanks for responding to the post as well.i know bh is not a wild card at all what i was trying to say was a nuetral mandalore soldier/warrior would be a risk in the jedi civil war because when they show up you wouldnt know who they are gunning for until they opened fire.
imagine this:
you are at your faction base awaiting for the other faction to attack.all troops have heard the call to report to the base for an impending raid.
battle takes place there goes the first turret and some of your guildmates are going down due to knights taking out your men.
when out of the corner of your radar 3 blus dots approach on jetpacks and proceed to open on the leading knight who has a bounty on his head.the forces retreat the raid is stopping when the mandalore pursue the force running jedi by jet pack followed by a volley of rockets and flames coming from mandalore flamethrowers.and one day the overt farming ceased in a single moment...
Vagrantprodigy
Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:47 pm
#7
This topic made me think of something I'd only thought of a few times before, IE why there aren't third tier classes. Like from Commando you could go on to specialize more in demolitions, stealth, antipersonnel, or some other thing.Or from fencer or pistoleer you could specialize in duelwielding.
StarNick
Sun Aug 15, 2004 5:12 pm
#8
and one day the overt farming ceased in a single moment...
Music to my ears....
Also I hope the devs could add "further specialization" in elite/hybrid skills that are like the FS...either a small bonus for 1 SP per skill...or another Full fledged Profession Tree (14 SP) with alot of new mods/certs/etc
Raptor2k1
Sun Aug 15, 2004 5:15 pm
#9
Personally, I really don't like the idea of even more unlockable professions. Jedi is bad enough. All this would really do would be to encourage more grinding - which is a bad thing.
StarNick
Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:47 pm
#10
Personally, I really don't like the idea of even more unlockable professions. Jedi is bad enough. All this would really do would be to encourage more grinding - which is a bad thing.
To make Jedi hard....you need to grind...
This should be more like RIS....gotta collect stuff, maybe seek out training (Like Hero of Tat spawns)....pure quest, but very very lengthy....and can only get it if you are a MBH or MC....
No grinding to unlock it....
Arkelion
Sun Aug 15, 2004 8:34 pm
#11
I think this idea rocks... but, if it was implemented, I dont think it should be exclusive to a specific combat profession, but all combat professions. Surely not all mandolorians were the Commando or Bounty Hunting type. From what I know, most of them were pretty much commando's, then after they were defeated they took up the bounty hunting business. I dont think it would be a far stretch to think they had a few riflemen, or pistoleers in there either though.
I like the idea of it being quest based, or to collect specific very rare items, like someone else said... There are also a lot of people who arent interested in Jedi, butthat option also dooms them to never win against them in pvp.. which is very frusterating, andto unlock apowerful mandolorian soldierprofession to better fight them, would be amazingly great.
I still wouldnt ask to be more, or even equally as powerful as a jedi though. After all, the Jedi DID win the war. But, just simply more powerful than an average elite combat profession. And heck, we already have the Death Watch Bunker implemented, which could be a focal point for unlocking this new profession.
So long as this profession is hard but not impossible to obtain (unlike Mandolorian armor) I think a whole lot of interest would come back into SWG. Because face it... its something to do, and somethingto work towards that isnt Jedi related. What else can you really say that about? Sure we have our distractions like getting RIS armor, or Mando... but this would really keep the game going. I seriously hope the devolopers check this thread out.
And if theres any questions of continuity about the Mandolorians in this timeline... it could instead be called "Death Watch Soldier" instead of mandolorian. Basically the same thing.. but it keeps Boba as the last remaining actual mandolorian, who didnt join/form into a splinter group. Again, I'd love to see this implemented... awesome idea BH001.
Falcor Krevan - Starsider
Message Edited by Arkelion on 08-15-2004 08:36 PM
nbd9k
Sun Aug 15, 2004 9:14 pm
#12
this whole idea makes me ill, seriously.
theymay look cool, but jedi are ruining the game, and some kind of ubersoldier would do the same thing. its great when you plan to pit them against eachother, but what abotu the rest of the game? it all goes down the tubes.
think for a second about how people got p1ssed when the corvette came out with personnel (not including SBD) with 100% resists to various weaponry. asking for uberskills is asking for them to increase the dificulty level on everythnig in the game. pretty soon a newbie wont be able to kill a chuba without assistance.
what we need isnt more power (weapons, HAM or otherwise), what we need is the game returned to a realistic level from which we can all play again. and yes, that means putting the jedi into hiding. heck i think if a jedi walks into any starport, an entire platoon of STs or security should instantly spawn and take them out. the jedi are supposed to be all but extinct, and i see more and more of them every day. and the new patch is only going to make it worse.
this is the stuff we should worry about, not new soldier classes or hidden hybrid specs.
harvard ferrier
master commando, master TK
bria server
im boycotting JTL until the combat rebalance. shouldnt all commandos?
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