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Thread: commandos VS Jedis-really why should we lose?

JIJA
Thu May 12, 2005 2:27 am
#1

ahh my fellow commandos while watching star wars I was brought to the realism of many things like:

obi wan could not block jangos rocket laucher

and windus robe was burned to a crisp


im so sick of seeing the word blocked on a rocket launcher attack or a flamethrower, there is no possible way a jedi could block it maybe evade it and move out of the way but not block it

at range jedis shouldnt win against a commando at all, meele sure cut our heads off what ever.


but simple fact you can not block rockets or fire with a lightsaber.


Tbh jedis are overpowered in most things geosonians can kill jedis and jedis fear droidekas.


a basic jedi with no training from a Master or acess to the jedi archives would be uber weak for a jedi and the devs have turned them into the prime star wars darth maul killing machines.



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Lersdi
Thu May 12, 2005 3:21 am
#2

"obi wan could not block jangos rocket laucher
and windus robe was burned to a crisp"

And Jango died. You left that part out.




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JIJA
Thu May 12, 2005 3:44 am
#3

no but I did say



at range jedis shouldnt win against a commando at all, meele sure cut our heads off what ever-exact methord jango died by (not only that but mace windu was no.1 with a lightsaber) and jango took a jedi before he went.



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NeoEcks
Thu May 12, 2005 6:57 am
#4


i understand what you are saying. it would be nice to see the word -Evade- rather than the word -Block- if you shoot your Plasma Flame Thrower at at Jedi

the PROBLEM is it requires more coding on the Dev's part and i would like to see the CORE SYSTEMS problems fixed before i see a graphical upgrade like the word -Evade- in my combat spam....


not picking a fight, but there are FAR bigger issues at hand at the moment.




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WoodenDummy
Thu May 12, 2005 5:57 pm
#5

Why do people always use the Windu argument for why Jedis should be all powerful?


Windu was 2nd to Yoda and not some "post Clone Wars try his hardest to be Luke" Jedi.


Raptor2k1
Thu May 12, 2005 6:05 pm
#6

Windu was a Master Defender/Master Lightsaber (relfecting shots while falling off a cliff?!). Anyone who's not should be like that guy Jango shot off the balcony.



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WoodenDummy
Thu May 12, 2005 7:58 pm
#7

Yeah but I don't think it's wrong to think that Clone War Jedi are far stronger than GCW Jedi (of which hardly any should be about).


In fact I don't think the Jedi should be anything that special in the game, you don't just GET to be a Jedi that was the whole point and the ones that made it past the early learning stage didnt get there by killing Gurks everyday on Lok, but of course everyone moans that SW is all about the Jedi when it's clear from watching the films that SW isnt just about the Jedi. You can see that when they overlap space battles with Jedi fights in the films, it shows that the Jedi at the end of it all are dis-connected from the rest of the universe fighting there own battle with each other.


I don't see any reason why someone with a well placed missile wouldnt take out a Jedi, Bobba nearly got a shot in on Luke one of the more powerful Jedi of the GCW and while it was in for more of a joke moment when blind Han hits him I think it does show that EVEN a Jedi is open to that one well placed shot.
Vcardossk
Fri May 13, 2005 11:32 am
#8







WoodenDummy wrote:

Yeah but I don't think it's wrong to think that Clone War Jedi are far stronger than GCW Jedi (of which hardly any should be about).


In fact I don't think the Jedi should be anything that special in the game, you don't just GET to be a Jedi that was the whole point and the ones that made it past the early learning stage didnt get there by killing Gurks everyday on Lok, but of course everyone moans that SW is all about the Jedi when it's clear from watching the films that SW isnt just about the Jedi. You can see that when they overlap space battles with Jedi fights in the films, it shows that the Jedi at the end of it all are dis-connected from the rest of the universe fighting there own battle with each other.


I don't see any reason why someone with a well placed missile wouldnt take out a Jedi, Bobba nearly got a shot in on Luke one of the more powerful Jedi of the GCW and while it was in for more of a joke moment when blind Han hits him I think it does show that EVEN a Jedi is open to that one well placed shot.






In almost every single game a jedi can use the force to direct the rockets direction. Due to swg mechanics thats impssoissble. YOUr average padawan can jump about 8m in the air. Now unless you have a f'ing nasty rocket there(and i doubt it'd be portable) your average jedi would easily be able to jump out of range.


And no jedi are not disconnected from the universe. The jedi knights of old were there to DEFEND THE OLD REPUBLIC They were it's galatic speciel forces, meditating disputes, and helping keep the peace throughout the galaxy. And in the clone wars many of them were active leaders/soliders in it.

Luke confronted his father to turn him back to the light side, yoda wanted him to go to kill the emperor. He also helped assist in the infiltration of endor. That doesn't seem very disconnected? Keep in mind the sith were hidden for thousands of years.


Wow, boba fett ALMOST got a shot in on a n00b jedi(and yes luke was pretty much a half trained padawan) who was also fighting how many other people? I'm sure he was also worrying about an entire sail barge and sand skiff's worth of people not to mention the sand skiff with boba fett floating on it a while ago. Wow, bobba fett couldn't even plug a jedi with that many distractions and targets to worry about?

Why did han hit bobba fett? well if you think it was anything but pure luck than you are stupid. I mean comone, boba was focused in on luke paying no attention to who was behind him and if chewie hadn't said something han wouldn't have turned around. Han got lucky, boba was unlucky.


Not to mention jango fett couldn't even beat obi-wan and he had all his full gear plus a friggin space ship on his side and the advantage the obi-wan wanted him ALIVE and not dead, which is much harder than just killing him.


Quite simply the in game mechanics don't allow for certian things. Seems to me like u just want to 1 shot jedi?



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Jacella
Fri May 13, 2005 11:47 am
#9






JIJA wrote:

ahh my fellow commandos while watching star wars I was brought to the realism of many things like:

obi wan could not block jangos rocket laucher

and windus robe was burned to a crisp


im so sick of seeing the word blocked on a rocket launcher attack or a flamethrower, there is no possible way a jedi could block it maybe evade it and move out of the way but not block it

at range jedis shouldnt win against a commando at all, meele sure cut our heads off what ever.


but simple fact you can not block rockets or fire with a lightsaber.


Tbh jedis are overpowered in most things geosonians can kill jedis and jedis fear droidekas.


a basic jedi with no training from a Master or acess to the jedi archives would be uber weak for a jedi and the devs have turned them into the prime star wars darth maul killing machines.






And I am tired of seeing Lightsaber damage reduced buy armour. I would like to see more of:


Jacella uses UselessSpecial1 and hits CommandonOOb arms


ComandonOOb's arm falls off


Commando used Uberflame1 and missed because of the loss of arm


Jacella uses UselessSpecial2 and decapitates CommandonOOb


CommandonOOb clones with cyberarm and cyberhead (vic 20 )









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WoodenDummy
Fri May 13, 2005 1:11 pm
#10


Sorry Vcardossk but when the hell did a SWG Jedi wannbe reach the skill of Obi Wan close to his peak, let alone a "2nd in command of the Jedi's Windu"?


I don't really care if you think I want to one shot Jedi as I don't play PvP, in factif anythingsome of the Jedi I know think a Lightsaber should be a one shot deal.If I could ignore all SWG Jedi running around with Lightsabers on then I would, not because I have anything against any of them but because they are not meant to be there!



Oh and the Jedi at the veryend of it allare disconnected from the rest of the population of the universe, it's seen over and over in the films. The Jedi ALWAYS end up fighting alone and with each other, hide things from the rulers like no longer sensing the dark side etc etc. Anyone that even thought about going to film school can see what he does with his editingwhen the Jedi fight alone and the rest of the army go off and do something else. Jesus even before the Dath Maul fight the "norms" are told to leave it to the Jedi, and they will take care of it.


I don't see what putting a line under DEFEND THE OLD REPUBLICdoes to change my point that the Jedi are there to serve not rule.



My POINT is that GCW Jedi are NOT all powerful and un-killable so I see no reason why a well placed shot from a Commando in the heat of battle shouldnt do it's job.


FS maybe, but fully trained Jedi running around? No.

Jacella
Fri May 13, 2005 2:36 pm
#11

Let's forget the movies for an instant and just look at the EU books. Jedi eat Storm Commandos for lunch. This is seen in so many books as to be a moot point.


Jedi shouldn't be able to +block+ a flame stream...but then again, jedi should be able to pull that flamer from your hands and force choke you to death...accourding to the movies. Jedi should be able to do a lot of things, like remove limbs, etc. We can't because the game needs balance...we sacrifice a bit of realism (lol), for the sake of playability.


Get over it.





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nerfherder321
Fri May 13, 2005 2:38 pm
#12






Jacella wrote:

Let's forget the movies for an instant and just look at the EU books. Jedi eat Storm Commandos for lunch. This is seen in so many books as to be a moot point.


Jedi shouldn't be able to +block+ a flame stream...but then again, jedi should be able to pull that flamer from your hands and force choke you to death...accourding to the movies. Jedi should be able to do a lot of things, like remove limbs, etc. We can't because the game needs balance...we sacrifice a bit of realism (lol), for the sake of playability.


Get over it.






aslo force sensitive should feel the force, not drive faster :/


technically i should be able to have cortosis fiber armor and a yasalamar or feel the force instead of flying to a village in the middle of a planet


also jedi shouldnt exist, or have vader on their tail killing them






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DarthPolecat
Fri May 13, 2005 6:59 pm
#13






JIJA wrote:

ahh my fellow commandos while watching star wars I was brought to the realism of many things like:

obi wan could not block jangos rocket laucher

and windus robe was burned to a crisp


im so sick of seeing the word blocked on a rocket launcher attack or a flamethrower, there is no possible way a jedi could block it maybe evade it and move out of the way but not block it

at range jedis shouldnt win against a commando at all, meele sure cut our heads off what ever.


but simple fact you can not block rockets or fire with a lightsaber.


Tbh jedis are overpowered in most things geosonians can kill jedis and jedis fear droidekas.


a basic jedi with no training from a Master or acess to the jedi archives would be uber weak for a jedi and the devs have turned them into the prime star wars darth maul killing machines.






would you reather see "Jedi force push plasma flame back at you"



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