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Thread: Here is a PM I Sent to TH & JustG and TH's Response...

DeneziB
Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:19 pm
#92

I know that the concept of "Alts" must be a difficult thing to understand by a person who doesn't have a job and can't afford more than one account, ... but try, please try to understand it so that you don't sound even more stupid.




WookieOgre wrote:


"We're", hmmmmmm. Seems to me when you use that word it implies your are a Commando currently (doubt you ever were). Your pretty busy, trolling the CH forums then you stop by here. Since I know you cant possibly have enough skill points to be Teras, Bio-Eng, CH, and Commando.....I think you should stop implying you know everything when in its pretty obvious you have no clue.


Back to your argument, I guess Commando shouldn't play in the other 99% of the content in this game since all they can do is take out heavy armored machinery.


btw, how many heavy armor vehicles, heavy turrets, etc.... do you see lying around. You make it sound like Commandos got a theme park thatjust hasATATs, ATSTs, and Turretsjust for them and there heavy weapons.


I would expect this kind of argument to come from someone who has never played Commando because if you did you would realize those heavy weapons are inaccuarte and not cost efficent. Which leaves Commandos with one real weapon, Flamer that has seen more nerfs than any weapon, besides creatures, in this game. Please go back under your bridge where you wait to steal candy from 8 yearolds.









Denezi Bo'o: The Hero of Naboo
Queen of the Bantha. The Emperor's Right Pinky. The Slayer of Jedi (35)
Imperator Defensoris: "Vulpem pilum mutat, non mores."
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Eppyon_MM
Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:30 pm
#93

/vote for Garvin to be the next commando correspondent...

Can we vote?


thunderfart sucks ass, theres my rant



Appy
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DeusManus
Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:50 pm
#94

commando arguement in a nutshell:


if i spend 169 skill points to master a profession, i should atleast beable to hold my ownagainst the other elite classes. not neccessarily kill them, but atleast not be killed in a matter of seconds. i have no desire for uberness, i just want some balance.



Morauz
Caretha
Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:04 pm
#95





Th said:


If you wanted to have postive discussions, I would engage you, but you guys have to be more positive and stop ranting for the sake of ranting if you expect me to engage you in a dialogue.




Let me see if I got this right.....The beatings will continue until morale improves? Is that what you're trying to say TH?


China


Master Commando, Ahazi








All you nonconformists are just alike
StarNick
Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:55 pm
#96

Besides, its still a fun profession and there are lots of players who like playing commandos, including myself, JustG and a lot of other team members


I cringed when i saw that


I really did..


Apparently the devs *only* play commandos coupled with TKM, cuz a PURE Commando is NOT fun in PvP, nor by himself..which i am


Ooooo..if i ever see TH im gonna bonk him so hard...and bonk him with my blasted crafting tool!!!!!!!!!!



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--Proud Commando of 42 Months-- --Last Commando Correspondent--

We fear no enemy...we are the few, the proud, and the brave. We are, Commando!

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StarNick
Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:02 pm
#97


"Thirty three professions, and some are broke all to hell"


Meanwhile TH says our's is NOT a broken prof??


Lemme think...SL...Carbineer...Pikeman...Commando....Smuggler...THOSE are the profs that are mainly broken..forgive if i forgot one...but hell! We were NEARLY UNPLAYABLE for 30$ worth...Carbineer/Smuggler are getting revamped next publish and 2, SL..hell knows..pikeman ive heard some fixes..commando...we WERE PROMISED fixes by this next publish and the after...in the preview? Did we see any major fixes to commando? HELL NO


Instead, first they totally revamped the chef prof..meanwhile MANY active profs (mainly combat) are still broken (like us)...hows that for pirority! And yes, i understand theres 32 profs..but we're STILL waiting for the 5 questions, we're STILL waiting for fixes that shouldve been implented 5 months ago...


and btw..JustG sounded like he was in a very..very..bad mood.. lol..or busy


Message Edited by StarNick on 02-25-2004 09:10 PM



--Stern Synex-- --Master Commando-- --IDI Forces--
--Proud Commando of 42 Months-- --Last Commando Correspondent--

We fear no enemy...we are the few, the proud, and the brave. We are, Commando!

Pyro Games

DeneziB
Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:15 pm
#98

... and if people like you don't stop crying like spoiled children, they'll put commando at the bottom of their 20+ list of professions to fix.


I wouldn't blame them if the commando profession was given love very last. Someone's professions has to come last. Considering your attitude, and other's attitudes, the commando profession would be well deserved to be placed last, which is a shame because all the whiners and crybabies on this forum are a very small minority of the commando profession.





StarNick wrote:


"Thirty three professions, and some are broke all to hell"


Meanwhile TH says our's is NOT a broken prof??


Lemme think...SL...Carbineer...Pikeman...Commando....Smuggler...THOSE are the profs that are mainly broken..forgive if i forgot one...but hell! We were NEARLY UNPLAYABLE for 30$ worth...Carbineer/Smuggler are getting revamped next publish and 2, SL..hell knows..pikeman ive heard some fixes..commando...we WERE PROMISED fixes by this next publish and the after...in the preview? Did we see any major fixes to commando? HELL NO


Instead, first they totally revamped the chef prof..meanwhile MANY active profs (mainly combat) are still broken (like us)...hows that for pirority! And yes, i understand theres 32 profs..but we're STILL waiting for the 5 questions, we're STILL waiting for fixes that shouldve been implented 5 months ago...


and btw..JustG sounded like he was in a very..very..bad mood.. lol..or busy



Message Edited by StarNick on 02-25-2004 09:10 PM








Denezi Bo'o: The Hero of Naboo
Queen of the Bantha. The Emperor's Right Pinky. The Slayer of Jedi (35)
Imperator Defensoris: "Vulpem pilum mutat, non mores."
What is <id>?

WookieOgre
Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:58 am
#99








DeneziB wrote:
I know that the concept of "Alts" must be a difficult thing to understand by a person who doesn't have a job and can't afford more than one account, ... but try, please try to understand it so that you don't sound even more stupid.




WookieOgre wrote:


"We're", hmmmmmm. Seems to me when you use that word it implies your are a Commando currently (doubt you ever were). Your pretty busy, trolling the CH forums then you stop by here. Since I know you cant possibly have enough skill points to be Teras, Bio-Eng, CH, and Commando.....I think you should stop implying you know everything when in its pretty obvious you have no clue.


Back to your argument, I guess Commando shouldn't play in the other 99% of the content in this game since all they can do is take out heavy armored machinery.


btw, how many heavy armor vehicles, heavy turrets, etc.... do you see lying around. You make it sound like Commandos got a theme park thatjust hasATATs, ATSTs, and Turretsjust for them and there heavy weapons.


I would expect this kind of argument to come from someone who has never played Commando because if you did you would realize those heavy weapons are inaccuarte and not cost efficent. Which leaves Commandos with one real weapon, Flamer that has seen more nerfs than any weapon, besides creatures, in this game. Please go back under your bridge where you wait to steal candy from 8 yearolds.













Lol, I base my comment on the fact you lack the knowledge of a person who has PLAYED a Commando. Who knows, maybe you have an alt that is Commando, obviously you haven't played it much since if you did you would know Commando is borked with the recent nerfs and no fixes. One working weapon with a bunch of recent and soon to be nerfs, wow how exciting it must be playing a Commando. Besides, you seem to be so keen on listing what you have mastered, Teras Kasi & Bio Eng, why would you not list your alts in your signature as well? Everyone who has alts lists in there signature as well. You obviously use this account to post, although I could be wrong, you might troll on another account as well.


All someone has to do is look at your post history to get a clearidea of the person your are in game.You even went and posted all over the Jedi Forums saying how they are a bunch on whinersyet you dont even have one, oh let me guess you do have one lol. I forgot you know all in this game /bow. And as far as a my job.... full time (product manager), part time College, Wife, 2 dogs, and I still know more about this game then you lol. I've also played Commando, Carbineer, Pistoleer, Teras Kasi, Smuggler and others, so I know what I'm talking about when I say Commando does nothing for the skill points that are required to Master it. Let me guess your credentials, basement of mom's house so you can pay for your5 starwars accounts.


Either way, your a person that likes to be negative to everyone else regardless of whether your right or wrong, which is why I'm being so negative to you at the moment. Who knows, maybe your a good person in RL, but all anyone has to do is look at your posts to get an idea of how you are in this game. Every thread you post in is a flat out attempt to insult and inflame the current profession your posting on. Clearly your stating your opinion in every thread, only problem is your opinion isn't based on fact but hatered towards people that complain about their profession. From reading your posts you seem to think your role playing Yoda on the boards (since yoda was all knowing)......maybe thats what your doing. I just dont remember Yoda being so ignorant. Maybe your on the payroll of SOE, who knows. All I know is coming in every thread and saying people are just whiners and dont have a right to complain is just wrong.


btw, I could have listed how much I really make since you obviously see fit to comment on people less fortunate than yourself, but I dont really see the point in that. Calling someone stupidis one thing, but saying since someone is poor and cant afford multiple accountssome how makes them less knowledgeable is compeletly different.I take it back, your not a troll, your anelitist.

Message Edited by WookieOgre on 02-26-2004 07:22 AM

TygerBlueEyes
Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:07 am
#100

Well-- I been here (SWG) for a while and one of the top 5 Dev replays is "Wait for <fill in>...". Canned responses are getting very old. Maybe the players should make up a list of canned replys. So the next time the Devs give us another wait for....we can also say Please read Player canned response #1...lol



Always waiting...






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Drkapprntice
Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:37 am
#101

you kids need to quit crying


i totally agree with TH commando is an awsome and fun profession, and i have personally posted several tactics in this forum on how to make use of every commando weapon effectivly except the HAR. ONLY cause the ASL is faster and does twice the dmg. i have even shown you all how to be effective at PvP with out using the FT.


so until you start listening to those of us who were the first commandos and stayed masters the longest, quit your moaning and go rant in your galaxy thread



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garvin
Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:28 am
#102



you kids need to quit crying


i totally agree with TH commando is an awsome and fun profession, and i have personally posted several tactics in this forum on how to make use of every commando weapon effectivly except the HAR. ONLY cause the ASL is faster and does twice the dmg. i have even shown you all how to be effective at PvP with out using the FT.


so until you start listening to those of us who were the first commandos and stayed masters the longest, quit your moaning and go rant in your galaxy thread


Well I've been a Commando since just after Beta, and I spend a lot of my time testing out different Commando abilities, Weapons and such...and I say we are a broken profession...In fact most of the long time vetern Commandos all agree that we have issues needing to be addressed...You are actually going against the grain of what most Vetern Master Commando's think about our profession...Folks are listening to us...


I'm not saying that we are un-usable...I have a watch with a shattered screen...it still tells time perfectly...but it is still broken and I'd like to see it fixed some day...The Commando profession is Fun and can in some cases kick butt...but take the new cave and the fact the Heat Resists now are in play...this makes our whole profession a new can of wax...How much ass do we kick in a cave where the NPC's have 100% heat resists and we can't use any of our Heavy Weapons? Go test it out?


Have you analyzed our weapons, their strengths, their weaknesses and the bugs that exist?


The HAR is a prime example...the mods don't stack...The accuracy is so bad you lucky if you score a successful hit 50% of the time...it's also weaker then the FT with the same specials and same restrictions, but no DoT...so clearly, this weapon is only used rarely by most folks that emply strategy and tactics...


Our Grenades do more damage to the user then the opponent due to range issue and HAM costs...The work best when you target a stationary opponent, but if that opponent is running towards you, by the time it connects the opponent is to close to you, which of course makes the Grenade damage you...combine this with the HAM cost and often times the Commando can end up Incapp'd...a great strategy if your helping your opponent win...


Our Consumable Heavy weapons can not be used indoors for the most part (I say for the most part because I believe it has been reported that the Heavy Particle Beam might work in caves)...Plus they are one of the most intensive weapons WS can make...so not many WS's make this on a regular basis...and when they do, they often sell for 30K on average or more...30K usually equals around 33 shots per Consumable...our Accuracy with this weapons is often debated to be between 50 to 70%...even if it was 100% that would be 1K per shot....Not reasonable when you look at the actual accuracy....Plus to use weapons like the Rocket Launch, it forces you into a stationary position...which makes you extremely vunerable...VERY BAD TACTIC, especially if you miss...


Our LP is a nice weapon...but look at other professions that are granted their own weapon...they get Specials and Skill mods associated with that Weapon...We only have our Marksman skills (unless you dabble) to use with our own LP weapon...I can out damage my LP using my Pistol 4 Pre Patch FWG5 any day in speed and damage...So the only reason to every use an LP is if I need to do Blast damage or I want to create a ton of LAG for bug someone...It's mainly a good beginning weapon for people who need Heavy Weapon XP, or a great weapon for Pistoleers and Smugglers who want a Blast Damage capable pistol...


So I'm sorry...I'm not sure where you are coming from saying that we aren't broken...and that anyone who thinks we only have one valid weapon hasn't played long enough or doesn't understand tactics and strategy...Any Longtime Commando is fully versed in our strengths and weaknesses...Why aren't you? You say you've been a commando longer then most, yet your post goes against that idea if you aren't familiar with these tested and comfirmed issues...Maybe you need to stop Hologriding for a bit and come back to Commando for a refresher course...Maybe you'll see something you obviously missed....



Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

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EcadMistflier
Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:28 am
#103







I have been a diehard passionate Commando since a few weeks after the game came out...I'm one of the last Master Commandos left from that time...everyone else is jumping ship like made...look at the numbers and ask yourself why? If you visited our forum you'd see the panic...








Garvin,

I disagree with your basic premise - its not a broken profession. Sure it needs to be improved, but its all being addressed in the combat balance, which I have stated over and over again. Besides, its still a fun profession and there are lots of players who like playing commandos, including myself, JustG and a lot of other team members.

If you wanted to have postive discussions, I would engage you, but you guys have to be more positive and stop ranting for the sake of ranting if you expect me to engage you in a dialogue.

th







Garvin,


You now know why former Master Commandos like me have left the profession and others like Ivoni left the game. It isthe DEVS gamenot ours. They define "positive discussions" as agreeing with their vision of the future and not your current gameplay. I used to think months ago that commando was broken. Now after being gone for just over a month the devastation of the class is just unbelievable.


Let me elaborate:


Went on a raid of a well know Imp base on Naboo. During the coflict I was attacked and flamed by a MC. Between my buff, my armor, and a dose of flameout i waited the flame timer out and never got even close to incap....not even close. I went away from the combat strangely depressed. As a former MC I can't tell you how strange and disappointing that was.


The statements of TH in this comment show a disrespect for the the guys and gals in the class.


It IS a broken class. It IS extremely illogical in design and function. It IS the red headed step child of SWG.





Ecad Mistflier
Force Wielder and Old School Disturber of the Peace
:: Ex Master Smuggler :: DEC 15 = BYE BYE SoE :: Ex SWG Jedi ::

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StarNick
Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:31 pm
#104

hey wookieeorge, bravo! however..


"Everyone who has alts lists in there signature as well"


Just hada reply to that..i have an alt, a master artisan, merchant, architect + with swordsman (gonna have to take off master artisan to get higher than i am at atm tho...on valcyn, he's essentially my primary now due to circumstances (somewhat part to all the nerfing, and "combat changes" thats causes lots of imbalances..its not even fun being *just* a commando anymore..so until things smooth out im lying low...but why dont I include that alt in my sig? many reasons..cuz i originally tried..and got cut off ..plus..even tho good ol' stern isnt technically my main char...he is to me, and especially on these forums..Chilastra will always be my home, and Stern will always be me main (alter ego fantasy...ie lucas to skywalker )....not important..but...just wanted to comment





--Stern Synex-- --Master Commando-- --IDI Forces--
--Proud Commando of 42 Months-- --Last Commando Correspondent--

We fear no enemy...we are the few, the proud, and the brave. We are, Commando!

Pyro Games

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