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Thread: Here is a PM I Sent to TH & JustG and TH's Response...

Xenothaulus
Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:03 am
#53



thepunisher286 wrote:
The instant World of WC comes out, theres going to be a mass of people canceling their accounts because this game, right down to most ways you look at it, it realy sucks. I play for the love of starwars, I love to role play in the sw universe and its enjoyable, but to have to deal with ignorance on a daily bases is too much and quite frankly, once this combat revamp flops, so will the # of people who play.

Message Edited by thepunisher286 on 02-19-2004 07:48 PM





Hear hear. RPing in a Star Wars world is great, but dealing with the crap is just, well... crap. Besides, I get more of a Star Wars fix from the Galactic Conquest mod for BF1942. WOW, please hurry. (But don't hurry like SWG was hurried, or I'll cry.)



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Xenothaulus
Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:06 am
#54

TH is right about one thing, it is a fun profession. Fixing the HAR is a good step, then fixing the blast radius on grenades and then fix the accuracy on the cannons. Do those and we have a great profession.



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zenixoda
Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:30 am
#55

what was so negative about what gavin said?


thats the truth


i dont think these devs could fidn there @$$ with a map and a flashlight well maybe not all the devs but im sure th couldent



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garvin
Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:30 am
#56

Tal-N, you might want to edit your post...you are confusing me for TH...lol


I have to agree with garvin (this should be TH)that the profession isn't broken, things do work. But they do not work very well, the profession isn't optimized you might say however it does work. They have taken a few steps towards optimizing it and that will make a huge difference. I do however dislike how garvin (this should be TH) says that we're ranting and being generally non-constructive. I see many many good ideas and rational posts on these forums. However the devs need to realise that ignoring us is simply making things worth, they need to break this cycle because they cannot rationalize the fact it has been more than 6 months and our profession has had very little fixed or looked at. There have been no discussions about what should be done with the profession. Equally I have to agree that theres far too much mindless ranting from some of the community and it's not helpping at all. A rant such as this you sent to him isn't helping matters. How do you avoid a rant? Simple. You offer the problem and then a solution, that then becomes a constructive post.


And Regarding the HAR...it's to early to think that fixing it will be a good thing...Let's say they fix the mod stacking issue and make it a working weapon...We are still left with a Range restricted weapon that is weaker then the FT and does less damage...What's the point of using it...the only times it will come into play is when we face a 100% heat resist creature...and still I would use my dabbled skills over the HAR...If they Dev's plan on completely revamping the HAR they should say so...instead they are "enhancing" it...that can mean to many things...it should be important to them to let us know specifics...


The question comes down to, how many things have to be broken in a profession before the profession itself is considered "broken"...I think 3 out of 4 trees is a good definition for broken...With the way the FT has been reduced and WILL BE reduced further, plus 3 out of 4 trees needing much attention you have to ask which is easier...starting over, or trying to fix what we have? We have heard left a right how difficult it would be to make things work the way we want them to work...and all of us have stated a desire for new weapons...The dev's have also been on a "revamp" kick with other professions lately, so maybe this is our best solution as well...something to consider at least...



Garvin Lansdowne
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Mik-Kael
Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:58 am
#57

I'm sorry guys... I remeber when commando was the most feared opponent on the battlefield. But now in PVP you really are pretty poorly off... Some commandos on corbantis play their class quite well, but they still are hardly viable especially against the Riflemen/TKM or Riflemen Doc templates out there. Its a shame to see you guys going through as much aggrivation as carbineers have been going through.


Maybe they really do want us all to be riflemen. It'd be easier to balance things that way.



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Ryubushi
Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:36 pm
#58

Garvin, I've followed your lead and submitted a PM to TH. One of the questions I posed was "is the $15 a month we pay not as valuable as the money the TKAs, combat medics, and every other profession pays?"


Should be interesting to hear a response to that. No, wait; I know what it'll be. Something like...


Ryubushi, please stop being negative, and wait for the combat revamp.


Like so many other masters, I've begun to question this profession, and why I keep it. Having been unable to reach a conclusion yet on dropping or staying, I've opted to do more work on the Flurry server with my novice pistoleer/armorsmith. At least with that character I'd have a decent shot at winning in PvP.


At any rate, if/when I get a response, I'll let the rest of you know.





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tacwraith
Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:37 pm
#59

"Garvin,

I disagree with your basic premise - its not a broken profession. Sure it needs to be improved, but its all being addressed in the combat balance, which I have stated over and over again. Besides, its still a fun profession and there are lots of players who like playing commandos, including myself, JustG and a lot of other team members."


fun != not broken th. 11 weapons we have, only 1 works. and that one has been royally nerfed in pvp. Pray tell what is not broken about this whole situation? If you are going to answer anything answer THAT. Its the core of all our issues, its the one issue we have been ignored and beaten upon for.


"If you wanted to have postive discussions, I would engage you, but you guys have to be more positive and stop ranting for the sake of ranting if you expect me to engage you in a dialogue."

th"


you heard him garvin. time to brownose for answers, because well outlined, to the point, feedback requesting posts are 'ranting'. its sad to see SOE does not take responsability for their actions , which HAVE griefed and raised the angst level of a proffession to the point where theres no other option but to rant.. because they kept getting ignored anyway so whats the point of 'non-ranting' posts?


and that btw, is funny that TH himself says that.. for isnt he the one that ignored the commando forums, paid heed to the MASSIVE ranting in the general discussion forums about commando uberness and then set forth to nerf the proffession without talking to the commando forums, to the correspondent and quite obviously, without even reading the correspondent reports.


I for one, will just step over TH. any feedback I have will go straight to justg , where it will at least be ignored by someone who knows about the game.


"Garvin,

I know your profession has specific questions and views. The devs are working very hard on the Droid Invasion right now, but the combat focus is an ongoing effort as well. I assure you your needs are being considered and addressed."


Good to hear. I would suggest you guys take into account the effect changes do to the game WHILE you finish the combat review. Case in point, the flamer change just made commando powerless in the already limited pvp it could do. The effect of the flamer being nerfed without any other weapon being fixed at *the same time* was throughfuly discussed in this forum. Im sure all commandos are with me on this when I ask you to balance what you take with something you give. a good thing wouldve been to fix the har's mods and change the fire dot in the same patch. But since this wasnt done what you have now, which again, was predicted in the commando forums, is the proffession becoming un-fun and generating a horde of people quiting and a massive inrease in angst.


"We have 33 professions in this game, and a publish theme, and a dungeon, and cs and qa and stability issues to address each publish. Just because we are not actively posting in your forum does not mean we do not know what is going on with you. Please speak through your correspondent and you will definately be heard.

thx,

- g"


uh.. our last 2 correspondents quit because they werent heard. our current correspondent barely gets anything from you guys. heck, this note of yours is the biggest reply we've ever gotten...and garvin posted it from pm's , you didnt post it here.


if we feel abandoned maybe its for a reason you know?






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DecimusDrakar
Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:47 pm
#60

wow we(commando's) finally have a correspondent....wonder if will help us at all?
DecimusDrakar
Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:46 pm
#61

Here's a positive response...I'm POSITIVE commando SUCKS because we are ignored every patch, every post made is given no reply or is told to **edit**. we were a joke in pvp before our DOT nerf, now after the nerf an entertainer can out dmg us with a slitherhorn...**edit** is that!!! I pray we get a competent correspondent who will address our needs, not tell us wait for this wait for that. i've been here since july, i've waited long enough. if I did this kinda half-a$$ work at my job I would be fired. FYI, devs i'm not some little kid whose still in high school, i don't live with mom and dad, i work 8 hours a day and go to college(guess what field). i've played video games since I was 4 years old, i'm willing to bet i've played more games than half of the SWG staff put together. i can say POSITIVELY commando is a broken class...maybe if we used god mode like you guys it would seem fine. Commando's are frontline troops... riflemen, CM's and that are SUPPORT troops. yet a combat medic can outdamage us, and they are medics not soldiers. Unless a tkm can go go gadget arms our range should be greater than there's. forget it, no one will respond anyway....maybe that's why half the ppl who started playing this game in june and july are no longer here.


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Hatch_Hazard
Fri Feb 20, 2004 2:22 pm
#62

I totally feel what you guys are saying, but as much as it pains me to bring it up, you just can't be suprised.


This is HOW SoE does bussnies. While they still manage to eak out some good games, whomever wrote their "Customer Interaction" doctrine apperntly worked for the KGB in a past life. They tell us nothing, nothing, NOTHING, until it feels like your talking to a brick wall, then when you've nearly packed your things up, they drop some big patch and a huge post with smiley faces talking about "See, we told you we'd fix it, so yeah, worship us, and those that complained, well, your terrible." I can't imagine that they actuelly hire dozens upon dozens of Devs that have no idea how to communicate in a mature fashion, so I dont blame them. It MUST be from higher up. Some sort of "Do'nt get us in trouble by suggesting anything" kind of rule. Well guess what, whichever middle management office biscut thought that up. Read a forum. Try it. You see happy people? I don't.


And to the nice person that pointed out this game was released early? *shudders* That's how SoE does bussnies as well. Oh, I get hammerd when I bring this up...amazingly so. You know, you hear the whole "Oh come on Hatch. It's an MMO, these things are constantly changing and evolving, you can't expect it to be static" responses, which are so Clintonesque topic-shifters it blows my mind. I didn't ask for a perfect game at launch. Never have. never will. Do you understand that devs? I don't EXPECT your product to be finished when I pay you for it. That's a sad state of affairs unto itself. I just expect things like skill trees to not have flavor text that suggests there are skills there....and there arn't. Or for weapons to not even do their correct damage type. Or for some of the more glaringly obvius game balance faults that some of the devs either blatently ignore as if they'd never played a computer game in their entire lives, or deny the existiance of, as we have here.

There's a difference between "Imperfect" and "Internal-Alpha".

But...that's just how they do things. EQ. Planet Side. SWG. And of course, it's REALLY /our/ faults that they keep doing it, you know. We knew after our second experince with the company how they were going to play us, but...we still bought this game. Mainly becuase it rocks, even in it's 25 percent completed state. I wonder if they appriciate that? That in a state that honestly strikes me as pre-beta, this is still one of the best games on Earth. It's just the faults it DOES have are so glaringly not code problems, but simple lack of attention from a sentient species. What should I expect, I guess. This IS the company that brought us 18 hours of down time on the first day the game was live.


Come on SoE. You could own the video game world, but you have to get your heads out. You have intelligent, hard working and dilligent fans who are doing nothing else but paying YOU for the opportunity to offer intillegent, well thought out, factul opnions on how the game can be improved. If your devs arn't allowed to speak to anyone about anything, just say so and leave us to fester on the forums. If not, answering people like Garvin with more than a canned "You suck and I don't" speech, okay?

The last time I checked, he and I and everyone else here were paying your salaries.

Message Edited by Hatch_Hazard on 02-20-2004 01:22 PM



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Evelas
Fri Feb 20, 2004 2:34 pm
#63

There is only one development team I trust...Blizzard



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Hatch_Hazard
Fri Feb 20, 2004 2:39 pm
#64

Now if they could just hurry up and make Diablo III....



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Evelas
Fri Feb 20, 2004 2:48 pm
#65

Nah, we need Starcraft 2.



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