Commando Archive
Thread: Can we lose the fighting pre-req?
Rachtor wrote:
I've said this 3 or 4 times now. If it wasn't a pre-req YOU COULD STILL ELECT TO HAVE IT. You wouldn't be losing out on anything at all.
And for the last time, please stop with this "reduce the prerequisite" bandwagon that you want to start with commando. Where were you before the bounty hunter change was announced? I see your statement as nothing more than your attempt to reduce your skill point usage just so that you can master your squad leader. Our problems must be resolved within commando, not some reduction of our prerequisites. I don't know how many times I have told you that just because one wants to master combat medic and swordsman at the same time (because he/she feels that combat medic shouldn't require marksman skills and only needs medical skills since it does not shoot guns), it would be rediculous for him/her to ask that ranged support requirement be taken out from the combat medic.
If you want to master squad leader and commando at the same time, please go to the squad leader forum and ask that ITS prequisite be reduced. Let's see what they tell you, even as broken of a class as it is. But please stop with your campaigning of this bandwagon that you want to start. It just sounds nothing more than "Oh I want to master what I want and bounty hunters got some love so why not commando? I am not interested in core fix of commando, I just want to master what I want!"
The idea of a commando switching to an unmarmed melee mode is just plain out of character and I think a rip-off to the people who have mastered a melee profession. But none of us are Dev's and no Dev's have replied to this, none of us have the final say so, and since I seem to be in the minority I'll stop replying to this thread here. One thing I've noticed about being the minority in the forums is that it doesn't always represent what the actual playerbase feels. That being said I'll just wait for the GCW revamp and stop posting anything about this sort of subject matter also. It just seems silly to debate like this
What makes you think it is a rip off? Then perhaps it is a rip off to the ranged professions that combat medic has to get ranged support. Perhaps it is a rip off to the scout profession that bounty hunter has to get exploration line for its prerequisite. Perhaps it is a rip off to the melee professions that smuggler has to also get unarmed combat line. Please support your claim with hard evidence and proof, instead of making it sound like nothing more than a whine.
The whole point of this thread is to debate and share ideas. Nobody is stopping you to do any of these things. The problem is that when you keep making posts like this with nothing more constructive than your simple belief that having melee requirement is "just plain out of character" and you don't like martial arts, then it becomes nothing more than a simple whine. LIke I said before, you can't get everything the way you want. You can't achieve everything you want to be because everyone is limited within the current skill point system. We are here to suggest and share commando fixes. Please leave us to that discussion and leave out your little campaign of saving yourself some skill points just so you can master what you want.
No sour grapes or anything, but a commandos job is to get in, blow stuff up, get out. Not jump into a field and start doing martial arts and we aren't supposed to be using explosive weapons at close range! It's just unrealistic even in a fantasy world.
Nobody told you that you had to do martial arts to be a commando. Please stop feeding wordsinto our mouth.
Rachtor wrote:
First of all,
Drop the attitude.
I never got rude with anyone and I'm not going to sink to your level Jazz, but I do suggest you clean up your tone a bit. You have a weird way of making peoples thoughts and idea's feel "welcome" by calling people whiners and reffering to their thoughts as little. This piece of advice is just for you because one day you might make the wrong person mad, you aren't invulnerable just because your behind a computer screen.
Secondly I even said my squad leader was sort of a personal beef, but I never ONCE argued why Squad Leader is such a viable part of being commando. Why? Because like I said it's a PERSONAL BEEF. I don't expect anyone on here to think it's a valid idea but I thought for the sake of honesty I'd also just put it out on the table.
Thirdly in my last post I Said I was DONE debating about this. Therefore your littleburn Rachtor to the grouhd post was not nescessary. I heard everyones thoughts and I appeared to be in the minority. I can understand why people want to keep the unnarmed but it was not MY vision of how a commando is. I understand someones comment about how hybrid professions all have to master one of the other skill trees and it seems to make sense. Do I think commando should be a hybrid profession? Probably not, at least not when it comes to melee. If after the GCW revampcommandos aredoin flippy kicks or something I'll probably drop the profession.
Finally I'm not feeding words into anyones mouth, because I can't put your name on anything. It only says "Rachtor" next to my posts. If your very paranoid about losing the unnarmed pre-req because it ruins YOUR idea of what a commando is then you need to stopgetting so upsetwhen other people disagree with you.
I'm removing my subscription and leaving this section until after GCW revamp, you didnt' break any of the rules probably, but you certainly did act rude and I have better things to do then teach girls how to act with grown ups.
Excuse me, but I think you are the one that just started attacking my integrity here. Sink to my level? Hey bud.. just because I didn't agree with you and made my points very clear which may have sounded a bit hostile.. doesn't mean that I was being a jackass and was flaming you. You should chill, seriously. If you can't handle a heated discussion with some disagreements, then I suggest you to not try to debate. And don't accuse people of something they didn't do just because you didn't like how the debate is headed. By no means I was rude to you, nor did I have any intent to flame you or attack your integrity.
Look.. just because you said that you were done with debating.. doesn't mean that I am prohibited from making my counter arguments. You are just way oversensitive and it is very RUDE on your part to start calling people rude for no reason other than the fact that you couldn't handle the heat.
I never made personal attacks like "teach girls how to act with grown ups" and such like you just said. So who is the rude person here?
Hmmm... has there been a dev posting that states what you just wrote here? If there is, I would like to see it. Kind of an interesting change I think if they are gonna implement that. Do you happen to have a link by any chance?
Xix13 wrote:
And if combat balance requires that you be using the weapon of the prof to get the mods, what'll be the point in Commando/TK? KD then flame2 then back to hitting 'em with fists? The defense mods won't kick in if you've got the flamer in hand.
